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Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle
#246803 - 01/05/14 08:16 PM

I see this just accidentally
very nice Ross rifle you dont see every overhauled (?) on the extrem high standard we know by this maker

Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle
Caliber : .280 Ross

A rare “Sporting Rifle” built by Ross – Canada on their mod.1910 action and chambered for the flat shooting .280 High Velocity.
The straight pull 1910 action is incredibly smooth. Maneuvering the short rear lever unlocks the six lugs bolt head and the feeding is so easy that it’s difficult to know if the magazine is fully loaded or empty!
A small safety lever, marked SAFE and READY blocks the firing pin.
The 26″ barrel sports a folding, platinum lined, single leaf rear sight inscribed 0-500.Yds regulated on a Marble front bead fitted to a banded support. A little peep sight folds down in the rear bridge of the action and pops up when pushing a small latch.
An Hensoldt Wetzlar “Duralyt” 6×42 R.1 scope is fitted to the left side with a 1932 Griffin & Howe quick detachable mount.
The nicely figured French walnut slim classic stock displays a schnabel tipped forend, a slender capped grip and a 13?” LOP on the steel buttplate.
All the metal parts retain the greater part of the original rust blue finish and the bore is mirror like.
A lot of .280 cartridges and a set of RCBS reloading dies are furnished with that rifle that weights 7lbs 8oz alone & 8lbs 10oz scoped.
Price (€) : 8000

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#246821 - 02/05/14 12:33 AM

They are pretty cool rifles. Had a .303 Ross rifle in my lockup for a few months, storing it for a friend. Of course, I got to handle it a bit - as you say - very smooth.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: DarylS]
#256265 - 04/11/14 02:03 PM

another one for sale on gunbroker.com http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=448129820
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A very nice vintage Canadian built Ross M-1910 280 Ross straight pull sporting rifle. 280 Ross caliber, magazine fed, straight pull sporting rifle with long 28" barrel! Looks like this one is all original with nicely checkered stock showing a few handling marks and original steel checkered butt plate. Bore has nice strong rifling and is frosted and very serviceable. Action is crisp, safety works as it should. Original satin blue finish is excellent on both receiver and barrel showing a few light scratches. Trigger guard and magazine floor plate show light even wear probably from carrying in the field. Ross built both sporting and military rifles using this design for both Canada and briefly the US military. The 280 Ross caliber was one of the first high velocity rounds approaching 3000fps and was a popular weapon for European hunters traveling to Africa. A very interesting design, well built, and with very British proportions. This one comes with a vintage sling."

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#256282 - 05/11/14 06:53 AM

The Ross Action has always interested me. Maybe it is because I am a mechanical engineer by training. E. Keith hated them but Mc Bride (Rifleman Went To War) loved them. I guess a lot of the negative items are due to the fact that the rifle can be assembled wrong with nasty results. I wonder why the Swiss K31 never caught on as a sporting rifle. It is a much superior design.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Don]
#261016 - 23/02/15 04:45 PM

The Ross appears to me to be a simpler action than the K31 and definitely far stronger. No one has yet succeeded in blowing up a 1910 Ross action with whatever they can fit in a .280 case, plugged barrel or not. The blowback incidents are still slightly mysterious, but most are explained by misconfiguration of the bolt head. On some early M-10 .280 rifles, this was quite easy as the extractor slot was ramped at one end. This was later corrected, and it then became necessary to remove the extractor or completely disassemble the bolt in order to get it together incorrectly. Even when incorrectly assembled, most bolts will not slide smoothly onto the guide rails. Ross barrels were known to be quite long-lasting and there are many which have obviously fired thousands and thousands of rounds from the wear seen in them today.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Old_Glass]
#261180 - 25/02/15 10:38 PM

I think a Ross would be a great rifle to use, but the .280 used an odd bore diameter, if i recall. Bit of a shame/pain.

.280 is a good looking, very big, elegantly tapered cartridge. Sorta like a .375 H&H without the belt in appearance

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Don]
#263194 - 07/04/15 12:26 AM

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The Ross Action has always interested me. Maybe it is because I am a mechanical engineer by training. E. Keith hated them but Mc Bride (Rifleman Went To War) loved them. I guess a lot of the negative items are due to the fact that the rifle can be assembled wrong with nasty results. I wonder why the Swiss K31 never caught on as a sporting rifle. It is a much superior design.

I think I'm going to play around with a K31 a little and see if it is possible to remodel it into something like the Ross. That would be interesting.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Carpetsahib]
#263202 - 07/04/15 04:48 AM

pc hunting rifle build with he K 31 action are rare, most "sporters" dont look good

this one for sale in switzerland once was maybe enough for my own standards

here is a K 31 and a G 11 in 10,3x60R for sale but being listed on the site of the Graubünden Hunting Association you can be sure this are single shot's
http://bkpjv.ch/jaegermarkt/index.html

here is a wild boar hunt in Rossgassmoos, Willisau/ Switzerland 1946/47, a time when crop damage was never tolerate and wild boars did not live in switzerland. this boars came probably over the german boarder were it was not possible anymore to reduce them because of the post war conditions.
https://wbannodazumal.wordpress.com/2013/11/

you see a lot of K 31 on this pic

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#263306 - 09/04/15 12:15 AM

The Ross M1910 sporters look really good in general. Nice long barrel, good wood and checkering, open sight.
The thing that puts me off is the odd size bullets. If there is a way around this I may have to buy one!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Ash]
#268336 - 22/07/15 10:44 AM

you can paper patch regular 7mm bullets, Ross Seyfried has written of this.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: buckbrush]
#268341 - 22/07/15 12:54 PM

The Ross is a interesting and seemingly fine rifle. Easily scoped for those who prefer. When chambered for the .280 I would think a scope to be near mandatory for its use.

In the .280 Ross and the .275H&H I have had success with the 160gr Nosler Part. Its open back and the slap of 60+ grs of powder seem to "make" them fit.

As to a Sporter K-31, I seem to remember a recent release of a line of custom rifles on this action revived and newly produced. Lynx Co. maybe ???

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Caprivi]
#268356 - 23/07/15 01:21 AM

The .280 Ross and .280 Halger are one and the same, I believe.

As to mis-assassmbly resulting in blowing the bolt out, didn't Ackley say this was impossible - also noted probably due to plugged bores or other indiscretions, but blamed on the rifle itself instead of stupidity?

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: DarylS]
#268467 - 24/07/15 12:36 PM

Daryl & OG:
I acquired a Ross M-10 in .303 many years ago for the sole purpose of testing the "bolt mis-assembly" theory for myself. The rifle was a deactivated DP example and I picked it up for beer money. Well worth it for the first-hand lesson.

The bolt can indeed be assembled and fitted to the action in such a way as to fire the cartridge without the locking lugs (threads?) being engaged. I can only assume that the results of firing it in that condition are not exaggerated in the literature!

Granted, the mis-assembler would have to be a little dense to do this and not notice, but it is certainly possible, and not difficult!

My understanding is that a vertical pin through the bolt body was a retro-fit that worked, but by the time that was conceived the M-10 had proven itself short in Canadian service on the Western Front and was replaced by the Lee Enfield.

In the sporting field however, these limitations need never arise and as I understand it the reputation of the .280 Sporter was untarnished.

Apologies for the minor thread hijack, I do incline to ramble sometimes...

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#268479 - 24/07/15 06:27 PM

Here someone tested a Ross Mk III, firing it with a misassembled, unlocked bolt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaSui_UqDX8

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: kuduae]
#268481 - 24/07/15 08:03 PM

not a good day when this happen for you but better than a Blaser R 93 Gardena rifle blowing out the bolt

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#268482 - 24/07/15 08:27 PM

Woodleigh make the correct size bullets.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Well_Well_Well]
#268495 - 25/07/15 01:52 AM

TKS kuduae - good video. Perhaps the bolt Ackley attempted to get together incorrectly, was a pinned one.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: DarylS]
#268514 - 25/07/15 03:39 PM

Couple of nice 1910 Ross Sporters.
Mine has seen a lot of use and isn't nearly as nice as these.
A War-Time steel penny cut in half makes the front sight blade on mine. A chipped toe was repaired by simply bending the steel butt plate over to match it. A deer camp rifle as a friend called it.

They can shoot well at times with standard 7mm bullets,,some not. You can only give them a try an find out.

But they are interesting.
That pop-up peep site on the rear bridge is called a Porter Sight IIRC. That was an extra cost feature on the 1910 Sporter.
The open single leaf rear sight is interesting too,,,0-500yrds. Mighty flat shooting round!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: 2152hq]
#290842 - 26/11/16 03:59 AM

280 Ross for sale http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6202998

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#290871 - 26/11/16 10:51 AM

Interesting that this has gone BTT, I just bought one of these sporters last week in .280 Ross, with a period Aldis scope. It has to come from interstate however so might be a little while before I can post photos.

It will be great to compare.

Thanks Lancaster!

Meanwhile re-reading accounts of Grey's mis-adventures on the Athi Plains, and searching for a set of .280 Ross dies.
Ah, the fun!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: DarylS]
#290875 - 26/11/16 02:30 PM

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The .280 Ross and .280 Halger are one and the same, I believe.

As to mis-assassmbly resulting in blowing the bolt out, didn't Ackley say this was impossible - also noted probably due to plugged bores or other indiscretions, but blamed on the rifle itself instead of stupidity?

Yes the .280 Ross and .280 Halger Magnum are the same case in dimensions except the Halger case is necked for the standard .284" bullet and rifles barreled for the same.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: eagle27]
#291305 - 02/12/16 10:24 PM

Here's a quick preview of my recent acquisition, will post better pics when I get time.

Bore is VGC, bright and shiny with crisp rifling, so will be a shooter if I can line up all the components.

The scope is a 1916 Aldis, very nice, but the rings are modern so will have to go, and the bridge-mount is 'interesting' but appears to be welded on (!) so may have to stay.

The front receiver-ring has an engine-turned top panel rather than the usual ROSS RIFLE Co Canada etc, and appears to be factory-original. I have been unable to find another quite like it on the web, not sure of the significance.

Will enjoy the research, and eventually shooting the world's first high-velocity magnum! (hopefully!)

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#291719 - 10/12/16 01:41 AM

Nice pick up. Please keep us up to date as it progresses.
I was kind of glad to see it was sold. I knew it was out of my budget and beyond my current abilities to make amunition for, but i was still going through every option of how i could make it mine.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#291755 - 10/12/16 05:43 PM

You lot do not help a bloke at all. Was never interested in the Ross because of the stories. Now thanks to you mob and kuduae in particular one is now on my must have list and I am, correction, was trying to save some money.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Rule303]
#291764 - 10/12/16 08:41 PM

yes, we are false cognates

just now I fight with myself to talk the idea out of my mind about this big bore, bigger than most of you having

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#296724 - 10/03/17 06:43 PM

I have just been reading Townsend Whelen from the "The American Rifle" (1918), and found it interesting that he reports the common inaccuracy of the Ross sporting rifles chambered in .280. He found it unusual for a .280 Ross to shoot less than six inch groups at 100 yards, and sometimes as poorly as 12 inch groups.
He says that it is because the bore is mismatched to the bullet size in factory ammunition, but they continued to make them this way despite such reports. He mentions there is no such issue with the Ross sporting rifles chambered in .303 which can be highly accurate.

To put this into context, for all the rifles he mentions throughout the book, a good group was 3.5 inches at 100 yards, and 4 inches was acceptable for a big game rifle. A rifle that shot a 2 inch group in 1918 was especially accurate.

I think it is certain that there have been great strides made in the accuracy of ammunition since then - because I have had many old rifles that shot quite well indeed, so it must have been the poor ammo of the times.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: CarlsenHighway]
#296740 - 11/03/17 12:12 AM

A 2-inch group at 100 yards with open sights would indeed be especially accurate!

If we are talking scopes, on the other hand, accuracy should be similar to rifles today.
For example, the 105 year old open-sighted Rigby .275 I am playing with at the moment is under 2 MOA with most loads, so long as I can see the target!

At some point I intend to get my .280 Ross shooting, despite the difficulties of making cases and acquiring bullets. Happy to report accuracy on this forum when that eventuates.
Frankly I have difficulty believing the statements above, unless TW's 'factory' ammo was loaded with normal 7mm bullets, in which case his comments are quite understandable!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#296881 - 12/03/17 02:22 PM

He said it was the bullets in factory 280 ammo at the time was not the right size for the bore, unlike the .303 ammo.

In my own experiments I have found no real difference in accuracy between open sights and a 4x scope at 100 yards. With the same rifle I can shoot the same size groups at 100 yards with open sights and a bead as I can with an aperture sight, and also a 4x scope - with appropriate used targets for each. I have tested this with several rifles, most lately just this week.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: CarlsenHighway]
#297004 - 14/03/17 12:47 AM

I believe the biggest difference between than and now is in 100 years of developing nitro powders that burning better than ever.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#297290 - 18/03/17 02:52 PM

The 280 Ross won at Bisley....

The .280 (and the Ross Rifle) won the famous Bisley international matches in 1908, 1912 and 1913 (King's Prize) plus many other prizes in different competitions on both sides of the Atlantic.Two inches at 100, I doubt it.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: DarylS]
#297294 - 18/03/17 03:59 PM

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As to mis-assassmbly resulting in blowing the bolt out, didn't Ackley say this was impossible - also noted probably due to plugged bores or other indiscretions, but blamed on the rifle itself instead of stupidity?
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Perhaps the bolt Ackley attempted to get together incorrectly, was a pinned one.

I don't think Ackley ever actually tried or tested this.
From memory, I think he claimed that if it had happened, it must have been rare, and that any reported blow ups with the Ross rifle could have been caused by other means. Or words to that effect.
My soft cover Ackley books disintegrated years ago, and are now just a pile of loose out of order sheets kept in a plastic bag.
Must dig them out one day and try some sort of repair!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#297340 - 19/03/17 10:37 AM

There was a Clint Eastwood Movie, im sure he had one of these, a take down with scope

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: 500Boswell]
#297341 - 19/03/17 11:21 AM

Google says the movie was "Joe Kidd".

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: FrankFarmer]
#297375 - 20/03/17 01:41 AM

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The 280 Ross won at Bisley....

The .280 (and the Ross Rifle) won the famous Bisley international matches in 1908, 1912 and 1913 (King's Prize) plus many other prizes in different competitions on both sides of the Atlantic.Two inches at 100, I doubt it.

They sure did.

But Whelen didn't say the Ross target rifles at Bisley were inaccurate, he wrote that his testing showed Ross sporting rifles shooting 6 - 12 inch groups at 100 yards with factory soft point ammunition, and he explained why.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: CarlsenHighway]
#297382 - 20/03/17 08:14 AM

Yes 4 Seventy im sure thats the one, saw it on you tube ,never ever seen it on TV for some reason !

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: 500Boswell]
#297491 - 21/03/17 07:52 PM

Dorleac have a nice one of these for sale on their site at the moment
http://www.dorleac-dorleac.com/arme/model-of-1910-280-sporting-rifle/

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: JabaliHunter]
#297567 - 22/03/17 08:48 PM

Townsend Whelen from the "The American Rifle" (1918)

"The factory cartridge is an excellent one ballistically, combining a
bullet with a very satisfactory coefficient, and a flat trajectory.
Twenty-eight caliber is theoretically the most effective caliber ballisti-
cally for a rifle, because a bullet with an extremely effective ballastic
coefficient can be used in this caliber without running the recoil up to
such an extent that it is not satisfactory for military purposes. But the
.280 Ross rifle does not seem to handle this cartridge very well. The
accuracy is not good. I have heard of a few rifles which would give 8-
inch groups with this cartridge at 200 yards, but I have personally
never seen one. Two. rifles of this caliber which I have owned would
give about 12-inch groups at 200 yards when shot from my concrete
base muzzle and elbow rest, or prone with either target sights or a
telescope sight. Also Dr. Mann obtained two selected .280 sporting
barrels for testing, and upon placing them on his " V " rest found
that the best groups that they would give average 7 inches at 100
yards. The trouble seems to be in the size of the neck of the cham-
ber and the groove diameter of the barrel. The bullet is .002 inches
smaller than the groove diameter of the barrel, and the chamber is
about .004-inch larger at the neck than the neck of the unfired car-
tridge. As will be seen in the chapter on Accuracy, good shooting can-
not be expected from such an arrangement. It seems a pity that a
more accurate barrel is not obtainable for this excellent cartridge."

(Further)

"Despite the discrepancy between the diameters of barrel and bullet,
and the large chamber, this cartridge (the .280 match cartridge)is very
accurate in Ross long-range match barrels. It seems to be a case where the inertia of the long,
heavy bullet seems to cause prompt upsetting of the bullet to fill the
bore without undue deformation of the bullet. The match barrels are
throated out a little more than the sporting barrels to receive this
cartridge, and this cartridge is so long that it cannot be worked
through the magazine, the match rifle being a single shot only, although
with practically the same action as the sporting rifle. Ross match rifles
for the .280 cartridge are very popular in England for long range
match shooting, and have won many matches with very high scores.
Wind probably has less effect on the flight of this bullet than is the case
with any other cartridge made."

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: CarlsenHighway]
#297568 - 23/03/17 12:07 AM

....so the major ammunition companies were obviously too lazy or crazy to manufacture and load the correct diameter bullet? Unbelievable!!

Charles Ross must have been furious about this at the time!

Imagine if Remchester loaded their .303 ammo with .308 bullets today: similar outcome! Probably similar 12-inch groups too I would imagine...

I have no intention of loading or shooting normal 7mm (.284 or .285) bullets in my .280 Ross. It will be .287 or nuthin'...!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#297628 - 23/03/17 10:07 PM

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I have no intention of loading or shooting normal 7mm (.284 or .285) bullets in my .280 Ross. It will be .287 or nuthin'...!

And thanks to Mr McDonald, and one of the world's best bullet makers Woodleigh, you don't have to.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: NitroX]
#305781 - 28/09/17 09:56 AM

Still waiting on reloading dies on back-order for firing-up my example, so to cure the boredom in the meantime I bought another one!

Looks like it may once have had the pop-up peep on the rear bridge, but the guts appear to be long gone from the photos. Otherwise looks pretty nice.

Will post again when it arrives.

...or if my dies arrive first and I can report on ballistics!

Love these things!!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#305803 - 29/09/17 04:55 AM

it seems they are not realy rare in top end of AUS?

its a nice, classic and well made sporting rifle if you have your brain working when assemble the bolt. well, its something you better allways doing when handle guns.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#305880 - 01/10/17 05:31 PM

Another one came up for sale and sold instantly just last week.. I'll never get one

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Ash]
#305884 - 01/10/17 08:19 PM

Ash, I think it was Marrakai who got it.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#306162 - 10/10/17 12:04 AM

He bought a scoped one a while back? There was another recently.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Ash]
#306166 - 10/10/17 04:43 AM

That's the one I am talking about, he has bought second one.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#306226 - 11/10/17 01:48 PM

Oh lol, greedy :P

Marrakai, put up some pics

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: 500Boswell]
#306236 - 11/10/17 09:08 PM

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There was a Clint Eastwood Movie, im sure he had one of these, a take down with scope

The film you're thinking of may be 'White Hunter, Black Heart', but if so it was an M1903 Mannlicher Schoenauer.

It's a pretty cool flick, I have it on DVD. The movie is semi biographical in that it was written by Peter Viertel, who as a young writer was on location with the John Houston production of The African Queen. Eastwood's character in White Hunter is based on Houston.

I bought the DVD for the scenes with Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles. Eastwood's character is outfitting for safari at an expensive London salon when he says, "And throw in a couple of these little six point fives, the Mannlichers".

Several scenes show MS takedown rifles being carried and in use.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Rothhammer1]
#306426 - 14/10/17 09:24 PM

Yeah, sorry Ash, couldn't resist a second .280 Ross!

Just got 2 messages on Friday that I was unfortunately too heavily committed to respond to:
1. the 2nd Ross has arrived at my dealer in Darwin, but I'm still waiting on the PTA...
2. invoice for the .280 Ross dies, they are ready for dispatch from CH4D apparently.

I know what I'll be doing first thing Monday morning!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#306432 - 15/10/17 02:04 AM

the only man happy weekend is over and monday comes

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#310017 - 06/01/18 12:24 AM

Despite many recent distractions, all components needed to get the .280s shooting are assembled at last.

In the end, cases were easy to make from .300 Win Mag brass. Just full-length size, trim, and neck/shoulder anneal. No need to remove the belt, as is often suggested. In fact, removing the belt would result in a badly undersized case-head and could be dangerous IMHO.

Bullets are the marvellous 160gr Woodleigh Protected Points intended for the .275 H&H. Hopefully the sequence of AR2209 (H4350) loads I assembled today will push them safely towards 2800 fps or thereabouts.

There is still room for a couple of issues to arise however. If either rifle has excess headspace it could require a false-shoulder for proper fire-forming (haven't measured headspace in either rifle), and uneven neck thickness could shorten case life since the lower part of the newly-formed neck includes some of the shoulder from the donor case and I haven't neck-reamed. Loaded rounds chamber just fine though.

All I need now is an hour of sunshine over the weekend to arc-up the chronograph. Our wet season is just getting started so no guarantees, but will report if successful.

Wish me luck!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#310026 - 06/01/18 03:02 AM

Yes please let us know how it goes. A 280 Ross has been on my list for years. Glad to hear that forming cases was not too difficult.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: cordite]
#310092 - 07/01/18 06:21 PM

Got to the range yesterday and had mixed results with the 280 Ross.
Firstly, the rifle itself was quite well-mannered and a joy to shoot, offering decent velocities for the AR2209 (H4350) loads I tested:
50gr = 2460fps with the 160gr Woodleigh.
52gr = 2590fps
53gr = 2640fps

They say you never stop learning, and at that point I was reminded of the need to check headspace after such radical case-forming, and to use brand new cases rather than once-fired! A couple of primers were high and velocities erratic in the next lot, and one case showed signs of incipient head separation so I bailed at that point.

Lesson learned: don't try radical fire-forming while working up loads at the same time!

The next lot will be brand new cases properly sized for a very light crush-fit in the chamber, and fire-formed with light loads before any further load development occurs.

Will continue this in the Reloading forum when I have more range results to report.
Rained all day today though....

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#310109 - 08/01/18 07:12 AM

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Despite many recent distractions, all components needed to get the .280s shooting are assembled at last.

In the end, cases were easy to make from .300 Win Mag brass. Just full-length size, trim, and neck/shoulder anneal. No need to remove the belt, as is often suggested. In fact, removing the belt would result in a badly undersized case-head and could be dangerous IMHO.

Bullets are the marvellous 160gr Woodleigh Protected Points intended for the .275 H&H. Hopefully the sequence of AR2209 (H4350) loads I assembled today will push them safely towards 2800 fps or thereabouts.

There is still room for a couple of issues to arise however. If either rifle has excess headspace it could require a false-shoulder for proper fire-forming (haven't measured headspace in either rifle), and uneven neck thickness could shorten case life since the lower part of the newly-formed neck includes some of the shoulder from the donor case and I haven't neck-reamed. Loaded rounds chamber just fine though.

All I need now is an hour of sunshine over the weekend to arc-up the chronograph. Our wet season is just getting started so no guarantees, but will report if successful.

Wish me luck!

Hey mate I don't mean to rain on your parade - but isn't the 300WM cases rather small in the head in regards to using them in this chamber?
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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#310111 - 08/01/18 08:30 AM

Marrakai,

I would suggest using 375 or 416 ruger brass for your forming process, though I have read that the steps including annealing, twice!

The second of your rifles is a wonderful thing, it was very special to have it in my hands. I think the price made it a steal!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Well_Well_Well]
#310132 - 08/01/18 04:42 PM

Gentlemen:
Yes it is raining but not on my parade!
...but thank you for your concerns.

Firstly, it is not my original idea to use the 300 Win Mag. I found one other report on a web forum describing successful use of that case as a donor.

I am aware of the potential suitability of using the Ruger cases, but necking 375 or 416 down to 280 is not without its price: annealing (twice!) is a given, but neck-turning or reaming would be crucial, and necks would probably crack before long anyway despite best efforts. One handloader reported cracking the sizing die during case forming!!
...and speaking of price, have you bought any 375 Ruger cases over the counter lately?!!

I initially tried a couple of 7mm Rem Mag cases that were lying around, intending to spin the necks out on a mandrel in the lathe to get them to the proper length, but they were just too short to make this viable.

Here's a couple of pics to allay your fears:

Left to Right: .300 Win Mag; Formed 280 Ross; Fireformed Case; Original Kynoch 280 Ross

Loaded round ready for fire-forming, alongside a Kynoch original.

Close-up of the head of the case after fireforming.

When a straight-edge is placed along the tapered body of the case, it just touches the front of the belt. All good!

...and the Ross M-10 extractor claw is plenty big enough to extract the case and hold it on the bolt-face till it hits the ejector.

Will try to grab some brand new 300 Win Mag cases this arvo to start afresh. This is fun!

BTW ExcessExpress, any hints on why there is a chook on the grip-cap? Hardly a grouse-gun...!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#310133 - 08/01/18 07:25 PM

Certainly a labour of love Marrakai!
Certainly stretching things a bit, but you're right about the body taper in regard to the belt itself!
Not 100% sure if Bertram make this brass, I did have a list of then somewhere mate - but alas I can't find it for you!
Give them a try that may be your best bet in the long run!
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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#310178 - 09/01/18 06:58 PM

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Got to the range yesterday and had mixed results with the 280 Ross.
Firstly, the rifle itself was quite well-mannered and a joy to shoot, offering decent velocities for the AR2209 (H4350) loads I tested:
50gr = 2460fps with the 160gr Woodleigh.
52gr = 2590fps
53gr = 2640fps

Here's some spec's from the 1939 Stoeger catalog:

A bit closer:

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Rothhammer1]
#310181 - 09/01/18 11:31 PM

Thanks for that info Rothhammer: much appreciated.

Looks like 54gr of smokeless behind the 160gr bullet gave 2700 fps in 1939, and my load sequence with AR2209 was headed right there!

I actually made up loads to 56gr but didn't end up shooting them.

A fifty-bag of nice shiny Norma 300WM unprimed brass is sitting on my reloading bench at this moment, waiting for the next iteration.

Hopefully tomorrow...

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#310224 - 10/01/18 07:41 PM

Glad to help. Was hoping these would be of use to you, at least for comparison.

If anyone needs any images scanned from the 1939 Stoeger, let me know and I'll be glad to provide them.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#310225 - 10/01/18 07:57 PM

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Looks like 54gr of smokeless behind the 160gr bullet gave 2700 fps in 1939, and my load sequence with AR2209 was headed right there!

I should have included this...:

Here's the whole bit - pages 288,289 of the 1939 Stoeger:

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Rothhammer1]
#310657 - 19/01/18 05:39 PM

Working around gaps in the monsoon, I managed to properly headspace and fire-form a batch of brand-new Norma cases: worked perfectly!

This morning's load sequence with AR2209 (H4350) under the 160gr Woodleigh produced the following consistent results:

52 gr = 2633 fps
53 gr = 2687 fps
53.5 gr = 2705 fps
54 gr = 2724 fps

I'll be happy with the 2700fps load that matches the 1939 published ballistics above, so 53.5 grains is the load!

Seriously considering giving the Ross a run in the Stalking Rifle event at our Big Game Rifle Club meet this weekend...

...weather permitting!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#310659 - 19/01/18 07:01 PM

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I'll be happy with the 2700fps load that matches the 1939 published ballistics above, so 53.5 grains is the load!

I'm glad to know that was useful to you!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#313703 - 09/03/18 08:33 AM

Hi Marakai

I,too, have a fine .280 that I have been intending to shoot. In fact I have acquired both 375 Ruger and 300 Win Mag brass to work with. It seems, from your experience, that the 300 Win option would be easier. The one thing that I wonder about, though, is excessive neck-thickening from the down-sizing. Have you had any issues with the necks?

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: leeenfield]
#314066 - 17/03/18 02:07 PM

G'day leeenfield:
apologies for not responding earlier, been away from my computer travelling.
Firstly, the neck thickening is not really excessive when sizing .308 down to .287, whereas sizing .375 down to .287 certainly is! As mentioned, there is a slight 'step' inside the neck where the shoulder started on the .300 donor case, but its only a thou or two and doesn't seem to be an issue.
One could always inside neck-ream anyway if the need arose, assuming one was suitably equipped to do so. I am up to 3rd firing on my Norma cases and no issues so far. The rifle will be warmed up again tomorrow in a Classic Light Nitro event, providing Cyclone Marcus drags the wet weather away to the south-west.
Regarding the effort required to size down the .300 Win Mag cases, I am pretty conservative and at no point did I consider the 7/8 die to be at risk of cracking. Two things I consider crucial to the process are: use of anhydrous lanolin as the case lube (commercial lubes don't cut the mustard); and pushing the case into the die a mm or 2 at a time, with ~180 degree turning of the case between compressions.
I did try neck-and-shoulder annealing the .300 cases first but found no discernible difference when using new Norma cases.
With the CH4D die, removal of the depriming rod allowed the neck to lengthen with no issues, trimming to length afterwards. Didn't worry about the loose necks for the fire-forming loads. With other dies, you may need to trim the .300 slightly beforehand.
Hope this info is helpful.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#314085 - 18/03/18 08:56 AM

G'day to you too mate.
Thanks for your helpful reply. There were a number of tips in there that I think will be helpful and I will certainly try them and let you know the result. I am particularly happy with your lack of neck thickening issues since I am not set up for neck turning or reaming.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: leeenfield]
#334939 - 28/11/19 01:34 PM

I'm new here, and this thread is great. I'd love to hear some updates on the various .280 reloading projects.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: vykkagur]
#350505 - 18/02/21 11:37 AM

Can't believe its been 2 years since I started messing with the .280 Ross. Plenty of 160-grainers downrange since, all good!

Just wondering who got the fine example of a Ross M10 .280 sporter on UsedGuns this morning? Hope it was one of the cognoscenti!
I couldn't really justify a third example. Wouldn't have been quick enough anyway...

Maybe Ash has finally added one to his gunsafe....?

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#350515 - 18/02/21 04:04 PM

Yes that one went for a song & sold quickly. I'm still playing around with my Ross 1905 sporter in .303.
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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Spud303]
#350528 - 19/02/21 03:17 AM

The 280 Ross is a fairly interesting cartridge. Some 25 years ago,I read about using 300 WM for both the 280 Ross and the 30 Newton.

I finally got a Ross 1910 which came with 50 cases formed from 348 Win (must have used a hydraulic press as the head is much larger). Unfortunately the cases had not been annealed and I lost some 20 cases with neck splits shooting this cartridge.

Cases can also be formed from 30 Newton which was available from Jamison.

However, the 300 WM are more readily available and seem to work very well for both 280 Ross and 30 Newton.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: 85lc]
#350529 - 19/02/21 04:11 AM

.280 Ross
The .280 Ross, also known as the .280 Nitro, .280 Rimless Nitro Express Ross and .280 Rimless cartridge,
is an approximately 7mm bullet diameter rifle round developed in Canada by F.W. Jones as a ... Wikipedia
Bullet diameter: .287 in (7.3 mm)
Rim diameter: .556 in (14.1 mm)
Case length: 2.59 in (66 mm)
Case capacity: 76 gr H2O (4.9 cm3)
Neck diameter: .317 in (8.1 mm)
Base diameter: .534 in (13.6 mm)
Shoulder diameter: .404 in (10.3 mm)

According to this, yes, the .300Win.Mag. case would work without having to touch the belt. The case body will form out when fire forming.
The only problem is rim dia. but if the extractor still works, fine and dandy.
I thought the choice of a .287" bullet, being a bit strange.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: DarylS]
#350534 - 19/02/21 05:26 AM

I think the 375 Ruger has more or less been adopted as the best option as a parent case.
My experience with the 280 was never the best.
One rifle, a Lancaster shoots wonderfully although it’s a bit of a beater.
My old Gibbs (magnum Mauser) was way over pressure with the same loads that shoot so well in the Lancaster.
Another 280 I had also flattened primers and produced a hard bolt opening with loads that should have been acceptable so it went down the road too.
I still have probably 1000 .287” fmj SP bullets which I’m sure are military projectiles as well as some other sporting bullets if anybody in the States needs some.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: DarylS]
#350579 - 19/02/21 12:09 PM

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I thought the choice of a .287" bullet, being a bit strange.

I was a time before the standardization the we see today. The .275 H&H used the same bullet, as did probably a few other obscure British cartridges. The same "every nun for himself" attitude gave us the 6.5 Carcano with a .268 bullet.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#350621 - 20/02/21 06:23 AM

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I think the 375 Ruger has more or less been adopted as the best option as a parent case.
My experience with the 280 was never the best.
One rifle, a Lancaster shoots wonderfully although it’s a bit of a beater.
My old Gibbs (magnum Mauser) was way over pressure with the same loads that shoot so well in the Lancaster.
Another 280 I had also flattened primers and produced a hard bolt opening with loads that should have been acceptable so it went down the road too.
I still have probably 1000 .287” fmj SP bullets which I’m sure are military projectiles as well as some other sporting bullets if anybody in the States needs some.

I thought it would be nice to have a Lancaster in 280. The Lancaster rifles that I have shot have been very accurate. Is your Lancaster a bolt or double?

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: 85lc]
#350625 - 20/02/21 08:03 AM

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#355208 - 16/07/21 03:57 PM

Time for an update on loads for the .280 Ross.

These data are from the scoped example in my custody, my first .280. Previous results were from the unscoped rifle I acquired later.

Decided to run a sequence of AR2209 (H4350) loads to see how they compared with those from the unscoped rifle reported earlier. Bullet is once again the marvelous 160gr .287 Woodleigh Protected Point. Cases are reformed Norma .300 Win Mags.

52gr - 2590fps
53gr - 2650fps
53.5 - 2675fps
54gr - 2690fps

Just a little slower than the earlier results, but quite acceptable. Plenty of room to add a bit more powder, but for something different I decided to try the slower-burning AR2213SC (H4831), given the case capacity and bullet weight.

58gr - 2615fps
59gr - 2665fps
60gr - 2745fps
61gr - 2785fps
62gr - 2815fps

No case head expansion, rounded primers with no signs of cratering, so why stop there? Unfortunately nearly a year passed full of other huntin',shootin',fishin' distractions before I followed this up.
Results from the range yesterday:

63gr - 2835fps
64gr - 2865fps
65gr - 2925fps
66gr - 2950fps

Big jump between 64 and 65 grains, can't explain why. These are 3-shot averages, rounded to nearest 5 fps, so maybe some room for Murphy's law...

Primers on all these loads were nicely rounded, not flattened into the pockets, but the striker indents on the 66gr loads were showing just the faintest hint of cratering. Might have a slightly oversize firing-pin hole in the bolt-face- must check. Still no case-head expansion, but I'm pretty conservative so that's that for this rifle.

Will toss up some pics of the primers if I can get my uploader working again!

Still pretty stoked that this easily beats any of ADI's published maximum velocities for the 7mm Rem Mag with a 160gr bullet. Happy days!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#355209 - 16/07/21 04:12 PM

Excellent results Tony. The 280 Ross is the original high velocity magnum cartridge and your figures prove that.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#355229 - 17/07/21 12:29 AM

The important thing is how do they shoot?
Anything over 2,800fps sounds great with a good bullet.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: DarylS]
#355264 - 17/07/21 09:31 AM

Part of the rationale for driving these things fast is to make sure the long 160-grainers stabilize, as lighter (shorter) .287 bullets are impossible to find here so not an option.

Accuracy tests are next on the agenda.
Hope its not another year before I get around to it!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#355573 - 26/07/21 12:03 PM

Managed to squeeze a bit more life out of my file uploader, so for the sake of completeness here are the images of the case-heads/primers from my AR2213SC (H4831) sequence described earlier.

Closer view of the maximum load:

You will all likely agree with the lack of pressure signs, but the feint cratering visible on the 66gr loads (3 on the right) is definitely there. Maybe I'm a sook when it comes to revving these things up, but the rifle is at least a hundred years old presumably, and may have passed through the hands of a fool or two in that time, so who knows?
Better to be careful than dead!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#355665 - 30/07/21 11:01 AM

Sorry guys, should just let this thread go, but I just watched a December 2020 YouTube video on making "280 Ross from 375 Ruger" and my sides still hurt from laughing!

In all seriousness, great that people go to the trouble of videoing this stuff and uploading to the web so we can all make more informed decisions, and if "brett" is a member here my apologies in advance. But.....

There were a couple of incorrect statements that need rectification, the main one being that reformed 300 Win Mag cases "start to separate" at the web on second firing.
Obviously, they may separate on first firing if full-length sized then fired in a rifle with excess headspace, and I can speak from experience that it can be difficult to judge minimum headspace in the straight-pull Ross. I mic the distance between the front of the bolt-handle root and the action wall to ensure bolt is fully in battery on a newly formed case, and set my forming (FLS) die up so that the bolt-handle needs a solid "bump" on a chambered case to go fully home, before fireforming.
One lot of my Norma cases is up to 6th firing with no issues whatsoever!

That said, back to the belly-laughs!

I started chuckling when the guy removed and re-lubed the case for the third time! Then the fourth, then the fifth...
Absolutely pissing myself by the time he did the twelth case removal to relube!!

...and this is not counting the 6 additional removals of case from press to redistribute existing lube around the case with his fingers!

Number of compressions in total to reform one 375 Ruger case?
Fifty!!
Yep, I counted them.

Then it took two lubes of the neck to inside neck-size.

Holy cow! Nearly 8 minutes to do one case.
And that Lee case lube must be bloody cheap in the US to go through it like that!

For the record, when forming 280 Ross from 300 Win Mag, I do about 3 small compressions, turning the case in the shell-holder each time, to get to the shoulder, then about another 3 to get the shoulder down, then maybe 4 or 5 more, rotating the case each time, to finish the job. In practice, I then bump the press "over the top" a few more times while rotating the fully sized case in the interests of concentricity, but that's probably not really achieving anything other than my own peace of mind! About 40 seconds per case!

And the thinnest smear of anhydrous lanolin applied with the fingers, wiped on like you're wiping it off, so to speak, only needs to be applied once at the start.

I was actually contemplating forming-down a single .375 Ruger case to mic the neck thickness and post the comparison here, but after watching that YouTube clip I won't bother!

Who needs the comedy channel?!

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#355677 - 31/07/21 07:42 AM

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Maybe I'm a sook when it comes to revving these things up...

I had to laugh - unbelievable! "Sook" and "sooking" are common expressions here in eastern Canada, and we get a lot of ridicule for it from people in other parts of the country where the word is apparently unknown. And suddenly I'm hearing it from, literally, the farthest opposite corner of the planet. So I gurgled it: Australia, New Zealand, and Atlantic Canada. Who'da thunk it? Product of our shared Scottish ancestors.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: vykkagur]
#355687 - 31/07/21 05:22 PM

Sook is a common slnag word here. Certainly when I was young.

"Don't be a sook, stop whining and get on with it."

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: NitroX]
#355919 - 10/08/21 05:35 PM

Wasn't going to post on this thread again till I had sorted a few things out, but the way I'm going that could be a while. So...
a bit of progress, with a caveat.

The vintage Swarovski scope I fitted to the first Ross sporter is image-moving (I think!) but is not perfectly aligned with the bore so the exit pupil is not centered.
This means I have to align the crosshairs with the target while simultaneously trying to centre the exit pupil, and if I lose concentration I get a flyer, parallax error I assume?

Anyway, long story short, I need to shim the scope to bore alignment, or mount a modern scope for further accuracy testing.

Meanwhile, I pulled the target in to 50 metres to make it easier to concentrate on the sight picture and made the following 3-shot group:

Finished by ringing the 500m gong by holding a couple of feet over.

So, its looking good thus far, but I need to sort out the scope issue. That vintage Swarovski does look the part, so it will be worth the effort to mount it correctly.

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Re: Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle [Re: Marrakai]
#355921 - 10/08/21 09:04 PM

Nothing wrong with your piece their Marrakai!
Certainly can do its part without question.......brilliant grouping mate!

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