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Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back
      #244856 - 02/04/14 10:40 PM



I borrowed this image because it is a good image and coming true. Reproduced this post from "The Big Game Rifle" thread.

Spoke to Marc Newton of John Rigby London tonight, and I am excited about the news from Rigby. Many of desires expressed by people on this forum will come true from the plans Rigby has.

Many have expressed the Big Game rifle is not a true vintage copy of some of the original Rigbys. That is true. The new rifle has better steel compared to some of the older rifles, the stock was made stronger to eliminate some of the problems original Rigby stocks had. Many of the vintage rifles ended up with cracked stocks, broken wrists etc. The stocks are better wood than the originals being Turkish kiln dried walnut. Yes the barrel is beefier, designed to reduce rifle whip and reaction time when shooting a .416.

The Big Game model is a Rigby working rifle, for the Professional Hunter, or the client wanting an English Mauser Magnum action rifle made for a good price. They are selling very well.

But the exciting news to many is a Vintage line of rifles will be released in the next two or three months. Some have been made already. The "Vintage" range of Rigby rifles will more closer match the vintage rifles of yesteryear, but with better wood and steel. They will be more expensive than the Big Game model but for a substantially London made Magnum bolt action rifle that is pretty much expected.

In addition Rigby also makes the "London Best" range to order. You get what you want.

And the Double Rifle Rising Bite is coming out again. Two have been made with about twenty underway. So the double rifle connoisseur will be satisfied as well. Twenty rifles is a substantial number of a rifle of this quality in the world of double rifles.

We will see more of these developments in the future months here on NitroExpress.com so stay tuned.

I think with all these developments the Old Rigby will truly be back.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #244857 - 02/04/14 10:47 PM

Reports Ive had from people examining the Big Game Rifle up close is one of shoddy details, alot of cheap solutions and a feel not dissimilar to a CZ550. Dont get me wrong, the CZ550 is a fine rifle but for the thick end of 8000 Euro and with the Rigby name attached I do expect more.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Fontainebleu]
      #244859 - 02/04/14 11:00 PM

Lots of buyers disagree with you. About a hundred rifles sold already, and at the price you complain about. So I guess there is a LOT of people different in price assessment.

BTW have you actually seen one yourself? It is obviously different from a CZ550 from the photos alone. Your comments on the earlier thread were a little extreme from photos alone.

As was written above Big Game model was designed as a PH working rifle, and I am guessing it has been a substantial hit from people needing quality working rifles.

However this thread is about the new developments which I hope you read. Many have asked for a "Vintage" styled rifle and plans are underway where this is meant to happen. I'm excited to see what will be released in about three months.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #244864 - 03/04/14 12:51 AM

So this means Rigby is back being made in England and not California ? Or am I behind the times?

It should be interesting to see the three models lined up side by side. (Not that I could afford one mind you) To me the early Rigby is the pinnacle of hunting rifle style. Beautiful because of its simplicity.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #244865 - 03/04/14 12:55 AM

And lots of people who didnt buy disagrees with the buyers who did buy.
I had the chance to see them last week they had an exhibition in Oslo. The rifle does not interest me at all based on rapports so I did not bother with the trip, Another Norwegian on this forum did though and he did not like it at all.

Im sure mechanically its a very well functioning rifle for what it is, but when it carries the Legend of Rigby on its shoulders it falls way short of expectation imho.

That being said Im sure the buffalos wont like seeing Rigby back

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Fontainebleu]
      #244867 - 03/04/14 01:19 AM

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And lots of people who didnt buy disagrees with the buyers who did buy.
I had the chance to see them last week they had an exhibition in Oslo. The rifle does not interest me at all based on rapports so I did not bother with the trip, Another Norwegian on this forum did though and he did not like it at all.

Im sure mechanically its a very well functioning rifle for what it is, but when it carries the Legend of Rigby on its shoulders it falls way short of expectation imho.

That being said Im sure the buffalos wont like seeing Rigby back



Again you have missed the point of the post, the information a vintage range of new Rigbys are to be introduced. Which if they make the grade will answer many of the complaints of a number of people. What more can a gunmaker do? What more can a real buyer ask? We will see the new Vintage range of Rigbys in the next three months, and especially here on NE. Then people can make informed decisions and when they handle the new range.

As was stated above there is also a London Best range as well. Which is not an off the shelf rifle.


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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Dumprat]
      #244868 - 03/04/14 01:28 AM

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So this means Rigby is back being made in England and not California ? Or am I behind the times?

It should be interesting to see the three models lined up side by side. (Not that I could afford one mind you) To me the early Rigby is the pinnacle of hunting rifle style. Beautiful because of its simplicity.



The John Rigby of London Gunmaker is a UK based gunmaker, owned substantially by Mauser and that group of gunmakers.

The old "California Rigby" is well and truly gone. The brand name was sold to some Texan investors, and then later sold to Mauser.

The actions of the rifles are Mauser Magnum actions. There is a gunmaking facility in the UK owned by Rigby with UK gunmaking staff. I hope we can show you on the NE forums photos and information on the UK gunmaking operations in the future.

BTW some of the original Rigby rifles were simply rebadged Mauser rifles from comments.

I too love the old vintage Rigby rifles and would love to own one or more myself. Their simple and classic styling is exceptional. But per reports, some here on NE recently and in the past, stocks did take a hammering and many failed under the OLD design. I am eager to see the new creation of the Vintage styling and hope it is comparable. The Vintage range will be to a more limited clientele, as I was informed it will have a higher price.

I think constructive comments are listened to and influence decisions.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #244884 - 03/04/14 05:22 AM

Now we meed someone to start building a "new" 1930 mannlicher as per original in .375 H&H please
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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #244907 - 03/04/14 10:40 AM

John

The " Vintage" Model is, I will wager a reacton to the fact they had a wonderful opportunity to do something really special, and simply got it wrong.

Everyone is saying why "didnt you just copy the originals"

All they had to do was COPY the original models, and the hundred or so they have sold would have been five hundred!!!.

I think they get that now.

As for your comments about steel and wood, Ive had my share of 100 year old Rigby rifles, all without broken stocks, and as for the "beefier" barrel than in an original 416….well I doubt you have ever handled one of the original 175 ..or so made, or you would know that is simply BS!……..or marketing talk...if you like.

Yes, I have seen and handled the new one, not a bad rifle by any means, but as their reaction suggests, they didnt do it quite right.

Price…who cares, if you like it buy it

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: paradox_]
      #244915 - 03/04/14 01:09 PM

Re the "beefier" barrel, and marketing talk, yes probably, was just repeating the comments on the phone as the post indicates.

Broken stocks, have read it before, elsewhere about the issue.

I do like the long slim barrels and have no problem with recoil.

I'm looking forward to seeing if the new rifles measure up. I would think we will still see some differences, but we will see. I haven't seen them either, just like you haven't either.





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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #244930 - 03/04/14 04:56 PM

John, et al, excited after reading the positive reports online, I found the new Rigby's at IWA. I was more than a bit disappointed. Bad as I hate to say it, CZ did come to mind. As you and others have pointed out, the .416s appear to be not much more than the Magnum Mauser rebranded. Could be some changes as I didn't have one side by side to compare. However, they did have an original pre-war .416 there to compare and, though 'well broken-in' there was really no comparison as far as handling and feel. I noted the thinner hand grip of the original and the thought did strike me that it might not be as strong as a thicker piece, but the feel to me was worth the risk. Likewise with the longer, thinner barrel. Never heard any complaints from the Old Timers about the .416s being whippy or inaccurate. The original just made you want to pick it up, carry, and shoot it. I don't think I'm being overly nostalgic when I say that, either. We all know some guns just "feel" better. That was the original. All that said, I really do hope the new owners get the details, balance, and "feel" closer to the originals and I hope they sell a boatload. We need Rigby back and we need Rigby right.
I think their concern at this point should be the doubles. I don't think double rifle buyers will be quite so forgiving if a new Rising Bite doesn't have the feel and handling, along with the looks of an original or at least other London Best rifles. That could be advertising damage from which they might never recover. Its a small but well connected (and well heeled) community and the Rigby name has been soiled bad enough to date. I hope they get it right, I think the world could use another Best Maker.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: A10ACN]
      #244933 - 03/04/14 06:30 PM




Two big projects to celebrate Rigby's first visit to the show in Abu Dhabi later this year, Rigby's Elephant gun and Rigby's Falcon Rifle.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #244935 - 03/04/14 06:37 PM



Examining Rigby's 28 bore self opener shotgun in Salzburg.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #244936 - 03/04/14 06:39 PM



John Rigby & Co.
Mauser have put back into production their often copied but never bettered original magnum action complete with it's famous extractor claw and flag safety. This action is being specifically manufactured in Isny, Germany for the new Rigby Big Game rifle. This is a historic moment for both companies and an echo of times past. One hundred years ago, Mauser made actions for Rigby who assembled, finished and proofed the rifles in London. This is exactly the process that is happening today for Rigby's new Big Game rifles. Rigby's new purpose built workshop and showroom is open in London for any enthusiast or customer to visit and see modern history in the making.



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      #244938 - 03/04/14 06:43 PM



April and Selena on the Rigby booth at IWA.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #244948 - 03/04/14 10:36 PM

I have owned an original .275 Rigby and for my huge size 10-1/2 " hands the grip was quite small. That being said ,that Rigby was the most perfectly balanced rifle I had ever shot. I do not know how my rifle would have compared to the ,416 Rigby however as I have never held or owned one. My early Brno ZKK 602 .375 has a similar fit and feel to the .275 Rigby. Mine is the version with the low comb stock .I had a later CZ American Safari .375 and it was quite blocky and uncomfortable to carry and shoulder. I think it is quite good that Rigby has re entered the gun making business again . But only if the quality is equal to the legend .People seem to forget ;Rigby's were working rifles and were not made as collectors fantasy or ego pieces.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #244956 - 04/04/14 01:54 AM

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Re the "beefier" barrel, and marketing talk, yes probably, was just repeating the comments on the phone as the post indicates.

Broken stocks, have read it before, elsewhere about the issue.

I do like the long slim barrels and have no problem with recoil.

I'm looking forward to seeing if the new rifles measure up. I would think we will still see some differences, but we will see. I haven't seen them either, just like you haven't either.





think this is awesome news..and the fact the are more than a refurbished Merkel is all that much better..

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Ripp]
      #244972 - 04/04/14 06:04 AM

think this is awesome news..and the fact the are more than a refurbished Merkel is all that much better..

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      #245000 - 04/04/14 10:48 AM

So pleasing to see that the shotgun pictured above still has the correct number of triggers...!

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #245042 - 04/04/14 10:38 PM

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I have owned an original .275 Rigby and for my huge size 10-1/2 " hands the grip was quite small. That being said ,that Rigby was the most perfectly balanced rifle I had ever shot. I do not know how my rifle would have compared to the ,416 Rigby however as I have never held or owned one. My early Brno ZKK 602 .375 has a similar fit and feel to the .275 Rigby. Mine is the version with the low comb stock .I had a later CZ American Safari .375 and it was quite blocky and uncomfortable to carry and shoulder. I think it is quite good that Rigby has re entered the gun making business again . But only if the quality is equal to the legend .People seem to forget ;Rigby's were working rifles and were not made as collectors fantasy or ego pieces.




That is true about the Rigby being a working rifle, except for the ones made to a customers specifications.

I have handled an original Rigby in 350Rigby. The rifle came to the shoulder very nicely and put the eye where it was needed for open sights.

I would expect the current stocks to be slightly different, in that, they are made to put the eye where needed for a scope. The rest of the stock and handling needs to be the same as before.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Rule303]
      #245049 - 05/04/14 12:42 AM

There were worse times with Rigby and the other name British gunmakers: Just a few hours ago at the small spring gunshow at Kassel I refused to buy an original "Rigby" in .275 HV for a mere Euro 750.-, about US $ 1000.-. It is a post-war product, engraved on the barrel with the 1960s -70s King Street address. Built on an ex-military K98 action with a flat "Butterknife" bolt handle, looking much like "Ferlach" to me. Express rear and front sight bases soldered on the barrel. Stock made of plain grade American Black Walnut (juglans nigra). Foreend longer and fatter than on the clasic prewar ones. Mounted with cheap looking P-H tip-off scope mounts and a Jap-made 4x scope. As my homemade 7x57 rifle on a 1912 intermediate action is more elegant and better made, I decided I don't need to spend that money for the Rigby name.
But Rigby was not alone in the 1950s - 70s: I remember two Holland & Holland .375 H&H rifles of that vintage I have seen years go. Though shaped, when viewed from a distance, quite classical, both were of rather so-so workmanship. One was on a P14 Enfield action, the other on an opened up WW2 K98 sniper rifle, the plugged holes of the long sidemount still visible. Both were equipped with light alloy bottom metal that seemed to originate with W. Roell. On One of them the foreend checkering pattern was even cut lopsided, unsymmetrical.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Fontainebleu]
      #245142 - 06/04/14 07:26 PM

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And lots of people who didnt buy disagrees with the buyers who did buy.
I had the chance to see them last week they had an exhibition in Oslo. The rifle does not interest me at all based on rapports so I did not bother with the trip, Another Norwegian on this forum did though and he did not like it at all.

Im sure mechanically its a very well functioning rifle for what it is, but when it carries the Legend of Rigby on its shoulders it falls way short of expectation imho.

That being said Im sure the buffalos wont like seeing Rigby back





I had the great pleasure to have Marc Newton and Rigby with me to share my Stand at the above mentioned exhibition in Oslo Last weekend. And I must honestly say that it was four very interesting days.

I am very suspicius of coments like yours Fountainblue. First of all you have not seen it yourself, first hand. You even had the chance but the rifle did not even interest you apart from putting it down on the web namedropping others. And you base your oppinions on others. and mostly from a certain french gunmaker who very unprofettionally have said alot of things about this rifle, and as far as I have understood this gunmaker have misunderstood the concept of this rifle entierly. This is the first generation of the Big Game Rifle by Rigby. wich is an entry lever Rifle like the original rifle actually was back in the days. For those who did not want to put down the money for a Double. And for those whoo did not like the look of the Big Game Rifle you can always go for the London best and you can have it at your exact specifications. And even for the 3 times the price this is significantly cheaper than other London Bolt action Rifles.

On the stand we had alot of very keen guests whoo was very happy and excited about the new Rigby. I have exhibitted in norway since 2007 with the best London gunmakers, but the interest I saw like this new Big Game Rigby was outstanding. Now, expencive guns is very hard to sell in Norway as the tradittion for exclusive guns in Norway is very limited. The money is here but not the tradittion. But the interest Rigby had was very very good.

So I think your friend was one of a very very limited numbers who was not happy with this Rifle. I can agree that it is on the heavy side. You can debate the need for this wight is neccecerly due to the fact that in a shooting situation you don'r realy feel the recoil, you carry the gun more than you shoot.

But remember that this rifle was developet in less then a year and it has sold 50% of its production for this year alreadywithin 8 weeks after introduction!!!

After my experiences with Mr Newton last week I am sure he will take notice of the coments around this Rifle and maybee even take this into concideration when the production of the next batch of rifles is too bee set in motion.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Morten]
      #245167 - 07/04/14 02:50 AM

True that the original "for stock" Rigby bolt guns were sold off the shelf as working rifles but they were made to a standard which would be exceptional in today's market. Very much to the standard of the metal work of the London Best rifle being offered today (engraving and fancy wood not included).
I honestly hope that the new Rigby venture is a success and especially hope that they can produce the rising bite double.
That said, one doesn't actually need to handle a gun to notice that there are shortcomings - the poor fit of the barrel band for example. IMO, you can learn more about how a bolt rifle should be made by getting your hands on some originals. Guns which were built to the standards which were demanded by customers whom actually used them every day and perhaps even bet their lives on the function and reliability of the rifle.
With the exception of the original 425Westley, I have never heared any criticism regarding barrel length of any other classic DG bolt rifle, the 416 Rigby included.
I guess times have changed and the expectations of our guns have evolved as well. My impression is that the 416 was regarded as a good general purpose medium/heavy rifle for open ground hunting and the real dangerous situations were taken up with a heavy double (the 416 being capable of that work if the situation demanded it) whereas today, the 416 is used as an all round DG rifle and likely the most powerful rifle the modern hunting client would own.
So, maybe the new standard 416Rigby is really an evolution of the original designed to the desires of the modern day hunter and it was a mistake for some (myself included) to expect a resurrection of the original rifle.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Morten]
      #245168 - 07/04/14 02:52 AM

i will agree with kudaes point that there have been lower times in the english gun trade ,,many here who are saying that teh new rifle looks and feels like a cz may not remember about 18 years ago when the company was still in england a rigby ordered in 416 was actually built on a cz bottom metal and all ,,they dont get much uglier ,, so i will give my best to marc newton and whoever else is involved it seems that they are on a much better track than where roberts left of in the 90,s ....paul

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