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ovny
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Please give me an advice.
#244166 - 22/03/14 03:50 AM

Since I have bothered asking for the rifle to buy for the 300 RUM cartridge because I ask you to tell me to put the rifle display. My budget will be very small so that viewers can aspire to are modest, and I've put it:

Leupold VX-I-(4-12x40)

Redfield Revenge-(6-18x44)

Well that's all thank you very much,

Ovny.

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xausa
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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: ovny]
#244187 - 22/03/14 08:59 AM

Ovny,

The scope you put on a hunting rifle should have 4X or 6X as the maximum magnification, not the minimum. There is no earthly use in the hunting field for the kind of scopes you mention. A fixed power 4X or 6X can take advantage of everything your rifle has to offer and save you a lot of money as well. I killed over 90 head of plains game in Africa with my pre-64 Model 70 Winchester in .300 H&H and the scope on it is a Lyman All American Perma Center 4X. My heavier rifles have 2 1/2X to 3X scopes. Spend your money on ammunition learning to shoot your rifle, not on equipment which can't replace skill.

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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: xausa]
#244196 - 22/03/14 10:21 AM

X2

4X is a very useful power for a big game rifle. If shooting very small game at long range, the higher powers are needed, as in shooting coyotes or ground squirrels at 600 to 700 yards, but - not needed for 99% of big game shooting. Too- the 4X scope will withstand recoil very much better than higher powered scopes.

There might be the odd hunting shot that requires greater magnification than 4X, however someone asking these sorts of questions, in my opinion, might need to practice shooting at normal big game ranges, ie: out to 150yards until HE becomes proficient. A run-of-the-mill .300 Winchester Magnum has more power and recoil than can be used effectively by the majority of hunters. A "RUM" any-calibre has velocity and recoil beyond any useful range for most shooters, especially those who lack a lot of shooting and hunting experience. This is, in my opinion, of course.

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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: DarylS]
#244203 - 22/03/14 12:16 PM

X3 RUMs are nasty to shoot unless they weigh a ton. On my 300 WinMag, I have a 2.5-10x32 Nightforce that is as light and slim as most fixed 4 & 6X fixed powers.

VX 1 is a decent low end scope. I had a Revenge (briefly) it had so much parallax that it was unusable.

When you spend at least as much (preferably more) on optics as the rifle you are on the right track.

Reflecting my opinion…..

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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: ovny]
#244212 - 22/03/14 02:16 PM

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Leupold VX-I-(4-12x40)

Ovny,

Out of the two scopes listed I would go for this one. But for a .300 probably a 3.5-10x Leupold, Zeiss Conquest or similar.

I agree with the others, that a 4x, 6x etc is pretty much enough needed, but in a .300 would consider a bit more magnification for long shots. My 8x68S has a 1 1/2-6x on it, the 6.5x65 a 3-9x. For those reasons, some extra range may be needed.

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Viking338
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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: NitroX]
#244233 - 22/03/14 11:22 PM

Yes I must agree with the consensus here, I have 2x7. 3x9, 3.5x10 and 4.5x14 on various rifles and they all stay on 4x when I hunt. I do put the 2x7 on 2x when thick cover. I also have fixed 4x Nikon and 6x Leupold which I love to use. Just my experience of course and a lot of my hunting is done on running game (pigs) so I am a little biased, can see the need for higher magnification if you were shooting long range at small targets just not something that I have had much to do with.

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ovny
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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: xausa]
#244312 - 24/03/14 08:16 AM

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Ovny,

The scope you put on a hunting rifle should have 4X or 6X as the maximum magnification, not the minimum. There is no earthly use in the hunting field for the kind of scopes you mention. A fixed power 4X or 6X can take advantage of everything your rifle has to offer and save you a lot of money as well. I killed over 90 head of plains game in Africa with my pre-64 Model 70 Winchester in .300 H&H and the scope on it is a Lyman All American Perma Center 4X. My heavier rifles have 2 1/2X to 3X scopes. Spend your money on ammunition learning to shoot your rifle, not on equipment which can't replace skill.

Excellent advice, I will take into account, he had not thought in fixed increases.Thank you,

Ovny.

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ovny
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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: DarylS]
#244313 - 24/03/14 08:20 AM

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X2

4X is a very useful power for a big game rifle. If shooting very small game at long range, the higher powers are needed, as in shooting coyotes or ground squirrels at 600 to 700 yards, but - not needed for 99% of big game shooting. Too- the 4X scope will withstand recoil very much better than higher powered scopes.

There might be the odd hunting shot that requires greater magnification than 4X, however someone asking these sorts of questions, in my opinion, might need to practice shooting at normal big game ranges, ie: out to 150yards until HE becomes proficient. A run-of-the-mill .300 Winchester Magnum has more power and recoil than can be used effectively by the majority of hunters. A "RUM" any-calibre has velocity and recoil beyond any useful range for most shooters, especially those who lack a lot of shooting and hunting experience. This is, in my opinion, of course.

And you really no you're wrong, because certainly the success gets practicing. The 300 Winchester; It seems to me a great cartridge hunting, which has been successful around the world and in fact in Spain is one of the Favorites. I will take into account also the veteran cartridge because I believe that in Spain everything that made the 300 RUM; the 300 Winchester can be done and is cheaper as the economy by my country is very important.

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ovny
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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: ovny]
#244314 - 24/03/14 08:27 AM

Then if I opt for a fixed increases viewer a 4 x is well and for a viewer with variable gains a 3-9 x or a 2, 5-10 x would also be correct. And another conclusion is than a 300 Winchester Magnum I would do as well or better (less recoil and more affordable Ammo) than the 300 RUM. Bueno esto goes well, I'm slowly getting ideas. Thanks a lotOvny.PS: The 8x68S is another important cartridge but rifles that shoot it are expensive and there is little variety of ammunition for it, I also have a 338 Winchester Magnum which in some respects is similar to the German cartridge.

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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: ovny]
#244328 - 24/03/14 11:33 AM

A problem might be if considering fixed magnification scopes, that it is almost impossible these days to get 2 1/2x, 3x, 4x and 6x scopes. In sporting not target models.

If that has changed, I would love to know too.

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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: NitroX]
#244332 - 24/03/14 12:50 PM

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A problem might be if considering fixed magnification scopes, that it is almost impossible these days to get 2 1/2x, 3x, 4x and 6x scopes. In sporting not target models.

If that has changed, I would love to know too.

See http://swfa.com/Leupold-Fixed-Power-Riflescopes-C111.aspx for a large selection.

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ovny
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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: xausa]
#244363 - 25/03/14 06:10 AM

Thank you for the URL

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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: ovny]
#244392 - 25/03/14 04:55 PM

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Since I have bothered asking for the rifle to buy for the 300 RUM cartridge because I ask you to tell me to put the rifle display. My budget will be very small so that viewers can aspire to are modest, and I've put it:

Leupold VX-I-(4-12x40)

Redfield Revenge-(6-18x44)

Well that's all thank you very much,

Ovny.

A Leupold 2 1/2 X 8 scope will handle virtually every hunting shot presented.

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Ruger_450
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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
#244414 - 26/03/14 03:56 AM

+1. If you buy the right one, it also mounts lower than these silly 50 & 56 mm objective scopes.

You don't need a big ojective IF you have a quality scope.

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Ahmed577
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Re: Please agive me an advice. [Re: Ruger_450]
#244560 - 29/03/14 12:08 AM

Appreciate some opinions. Am having 2 guns built 1 x purdey rook single shot 22 hornet octagonal barrel. 1 x boss o/u 5.6 x 50 R. Both dainty small actioned guns. Hornet will be the same character as the traditional rook. Boss will be similar to the 410 o/u boss & slightly bolstered. Both will be scoped. I own 2x brand new etherington optical mildurah australia scopes. They are probably 60 years old & in perfect condition 3/4 inch tubes & 13 inches long. I like German scopes on my london guns ( if my life depended on a scope German would not be my first choice.) can any one suggest what they would use (q-d mounts will be used) in a modern European scope that would retain the beauty of line of these dainty guns. Would a European scope manufacturer build up scopes especially, I do not want illuminated recticles.

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Re: Please agive me an advice. [Re: Ahmed577]
#244680 - 31/03/14 03:19 AM

Ahmed,

I like the German scopes as well, but they are often too heavy and bulky for a light slim rifle. A Leupold might be a different choice.

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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: ovny]
#244722 - 01/04/14 12:48 AM

On my 300RUM I had a Leupold x-3---4-14 for years until last fall..I traveled all over the planet with that scope--Africa 4 times, Alaska, and around the states..always held zero..great scope and pretty much covers most situations you will encounter...

have since put on a Z-5 Swarovski (3.5-18) with custom Turret...also works very well..but think I liked the Leupold better..

For what its worth..

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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: ovny]
#244723 - 01/04/14 01:31 AM

For hunting the Leupold M-8 6x42 is a great choice. Very bright scope

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Re: Please agive me an advice. [Re: Ahmed577]
#244765 - 01/04/14 12:47 PM

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I own 2x brand new etherington optical mildurah australia scopes. They are probably 60 years old & in perfect condition 3/4 inch tubes & 13 inches long.

Would be interesting to see these.

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Viking338
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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: gatsby]
#244772 - 01/04/14 04:45 PM

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For hunting the Leupold M-8 6x42 is a great choice. Very bright scope

+1 mine are great.

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Re: Please give me an advice. [Re: ovny]
#245287 - 09/04/14 01:58 PM

vx1 4x12x40

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Re: Please agive me an advice. [Re: Ahmed577]
#246152 - 22/04/14 03:23 AM

Ahmed

How about something like a zielklein or a Pecar Berlin - these scopes disrupt the lines of a rifle about as little as possible. Perhaps the optics aren't quite up to today's standards, but they'll do the job. A Weaver 330 might also be a nice touch.

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