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vapodog
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M-70 .416 Rigby
#24180 - 15/01/05 12:45 PM

yup...it's true...it's now available for under three grand from their custom shop. For details see the link
http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=535&type_id=911&cat=001C

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EricD
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Re: M-70 .416 Rigby [Re: vapodog]
#24217 - 15/01/05 08:25 PM

I thought their actions weren't long enough for the 416Rigby?

Erik

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Re: M-70 .416 Rigby [Re: vapodog]
#24219 - 15/01/05 10:00 PM

They supposedly made 5 of them and it was successful. D'arcy Echols will not do a 416 Rigby on the Model 70

It is also my understanding that have maded none of the 404s yet. The reputation for some of the stuff coming out of the custom shop would not be helping.

Mike

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vapodog
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Re: M-70 .416 Rigby [Re: Mike375]
#24223 - 16/01/05 01:28 AM

I see that the .404 Jeffery is no longer offered and would not at all be surprised that none was ever sold.

It seems that there's a mentality that says "let the orders come in and we'll fill them when the quantity justifies."

As far as quality goes, I've always been satisfied with the USRAC offerings and would like to hear first hand about disappointments except I'd not be surprised to order one of these and never get it.

D'Arcy Echols may be, in fact, the worlds premier artist in firearms and I'm in awe every time I see one of his creations. If, in fact, it's true that he'd never make a .416 Rigby on a M-70, wouldn't hold much water for me given that Winchester decided to make one. I'd not be afraid of it, as it's a gamble I'm fully willing to take.

I'd not take any bets at any odds however if one will ever be produced and sold.

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Re: M-70 .416 Rigby [Re: vapodog]
#24228 - 16/01/05 03:50 AM

There is a chap who posts as Longbob on AR who had a 458 Lott from the level of rifle illustrated above.

His bolt would not open beccuase it hit the stock. The sights was on crooked and the weld of the scecond recoil lug was cracked and there was a crack in the stop. Three trips back to Winchester got it fixed. That was a couple of years ago.

Barrels that are crooked in the receiver seems quite common with M70s today, unless we get the rejects sent to Australia

Mike

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vapodog
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Re: M-70 .416 Rigby [Re: Mike375]
#24232 - 16/01/05 04:56 AM

I've owned thirteen different M-70 rifles and of them only one was a pre-64 and haven't encountered any of those problems. The most frequent thing I do is to glass bed the action and free float the barrel but I do that with any new rifle that comes thru the door. Further I had one that the safety was very rough and I fixed that by myself rather than return it to Winchester.

I can see it now.....some executive from Winchester goes to a Quigley movie and gets pissed off over the Shilo-Sharps rifle and goes back to work and demands that from that day foreward all M-70 rejects be sent down under.

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JoeR
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Re: M-70 .416 Rigby [Re: vapodog]
#24547 - 19/01/05 02:58 PM

Agree with vapodog about not putting much stock in what the great Mr. Echols will and will not do. What does a guy who refuses to put QD mounts on a DG rifle know about hunting? For the kind of money he charges, I'd prefer to get what I want and not what He thinks I should have. As for the 416 Rigby Mod 70, I'd buy one and if it ain't right, it'd keep going back till it was. Did that on a 375 and they finally got it right.

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wombat
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Re: M-70 .416 Rigby [Re: vapodog]
#24550 - 19/01/05 03:35 PM

I had a Mod 70 safari express in 416 Rem.
A complete dog-would not feed no matter how
much I spent-stock replaced twice under warranty
Replaced it with a proper rifle-416 Rigby 550 CZ.

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4seventy
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Re: M-70 .416 Rigby [Re: Mike375]
#24552 - 19/01/05 04:31 PM

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Barrels that are crooked in the receiver seems quite common with M70s today, unless we get the rejects sent to Australia

Mike,
It wouldn't be the first time that Oz has ended up with reject Winny's IMO!

This whole crooked barrel thread thing is really quite strange.
If the firearms companies responsable for these crooked barrel threads have employed some Uncle Harry the home handyman to hand cut these threads with a plumbers pipe threader and the barrel held in a vice, maybe I can understand it.

But to machine a thread onto a barrel and end up with a thread that is not paralell to the barrels axis is really quite hard to do.

Same thing goes for the threads in the receiver.

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Re: M-70 .416 Rigby [Re: 4seventy]
#24553 - 19/01/05 04:47 PM

John Giles, the benchrest bloke in QLD, he bores Rem 700s out and rethreads.

Tobler won't do that as he thinks it is to close to the line of being a problem. He would have on M70s as they only have an 1 inch thread to start with but these new WSSMs have had the barrel thread increased in diameter as there were apparanetly problems with some WSMs with the much larger case diameter.

Mike

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EricD
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Re: M-70 .416 Rigby [Re: 4seventy]
#24563 - 19/01/05 08:18 PM

In reply to:

But to machine a thread onto a barrel and end up with a thread that is not paralell to the barrels axis is really quite hard to do.
Same thing goes for the threads in the receiver.

Actually, Heym was also known to do this for a while some years ago!

Guess quality control isn't always that great even with european companys too...

Erik

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