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sparks1
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Ed. Kettner single shot
#240531 - 13/01/14 06:06 AM

Local Cabelas has an Ed Kettner single shot bolt action rifle in the gun library. Dandy rifle, but asking $999.99!

Condition is about 60% in my opinion. Stock is deeply scratched, dented. Buttplate has large chip in it. Receiver finish worn badly, though fluted barrel has great blueing yet. Caliber unknown according to them.

Asking too much, IMO.

Agree or disagree?

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: sparks1]
#240536 - 13/01/14 09:13 AM

Maybe not - I'd guess it was chambered in 8.15x46 1/2, but a chamber cast will yield the demon. Lovely offset bases.

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Edited by CptCurl (21/04/14 09:22 PM)

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: ellenbr]
#240542 - 13/01/14 12:29 PM

I really do not know values, so that is why I put this up. I could not put up pictures, the computer won this round.

Crown over a "U" on bolt, receiver. Definitely not a 6.5mm (tried a bullet in the bore) They think it is a 32-20 cal.

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: sparks1]
#240543 - 13/01/14 12:46 PM

So are you saying it followed you home? Nah, not 32-20 unless some later alteration. Take a toothpick or something akin and see where the rifling begins to get an idea of case length. Forward the images to be & I'll gladly post them for you.

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: ellenbr]
#240544 - 13/01/14 01:19 PM

Interesting rifle, I hope more pics are forth coming. Looks like it's based on a 71-84 Mauser.
The price doesn't seem that outrages, would need to see the gun of course. Add up all the work
and it might seem cheap. JMHO --- John

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: John303]
#240549 - 13/01/14 02:24 PM

Sadly it did not come home with me. Being without the funds due to recent M/S purchases and not knowing the value of this. I am currently researching past auctions to get a feel for it's value on the market so I may know in case one comes in the future. Perhaps I should take the .270 M/S in for a trade, if you gentlemen think Cabelas price is proper.

Best I can do is post a link that has pictures. Though it says sold, I personally handled this rifle today.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Edward-Kettner-Single-Shot-Possible/1672201.uts

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: John303]
#240555 - 13/01/14 05:41 PM

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Interesting rifle, I hope more pics are forth coming. Looks like it's based on a 71-84 Mauser.
The price doesn't seem that outrages, would need to see the gun of course. Add up all the work
and it might seem cheap. JMHO --- John

think its a mini mauser 71 or is it a repeating rifle?
8,15x46R

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: lancaster]
#240568 - 13/01/14 11:27 PM

Single shot rifle, split bridge receiver.
Thinking on it, the wear/scratches are the norm for one this old. God knows I'm a bit scratchy.
How much does refurbishing this devalue it? Stock sand and refinish.

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: sparks1]
#240569 - 14/01/14 01:29 AM

Let's just say it is a Mauser. The pics. on Cabelas are gone at least for me.
I'd say from the description barring any unseen flaws it was priced cheap IMHO.
Stock & the word sand make me a bit "scratchy", to each his own however, but stripping
the old finish off is a much better route.
I don't think a refurb, done properly, would decrease the value at all - it might go
the other way. It all depends on your abilities / your wallet.
On the other hand you can just leave things alone, do a good cleaning and let the
dings & scratches speak for the years themselves. --- John

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: John303]
#240576 - 14/01/14 03:31 AM

Little fuzzy image of an image

Still a bit fuzzy

German Stecher

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: ellenbr]
#240578 - 14/01/14 05:07 AM

such Mini Mauser 71 rifles were build around Suhl in endless varieties before 1914

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: lancaster]
#240580 - 14/01/14 07:31 AM

As always, very informative.
Thanks

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: sparks1]
#240581 - 14/01/14 07:53 AM

I too want to thank you for the pics. etc. very informative. This ? might be OT but does anyone have a diagram / pic. of how the DSTs are set up. I have a 71-84 & and a trigger set (not the normal 98 Mauser style), I would like to install them and some insight into the "how to" would be appreciated. --- John

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: John303]
#240582 - 14/01/14 08:13 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJfDD0Awx8s

Might be in German? Have not run it thru speakers.

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: ellenbr]
#240584 - 14/01/14 08:41 AM

My late buddy Brad had one of these Mausers V-fancy with a lot of engraving - on the M71 pattern, in a 9.5mm - we cerrosafe'd the chamber and found a necked down & shortened slightly, .45/70 case worked very well with 250gr. bullets from an RCBS mould.

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: DarylS]
#240585 - 14/01/14 09:31 AM

Decided to take my 1952 Winchester M75 in and try horse trading this week. Only one opinion on value of this rifle.
Are there any other educated ones? IF I get it, there will only be a clean up done. I decided it's wear marks would be a part of it's history, thus a shame to erase them.

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: lancaster]
#240605 - 14/01/14 03:26 PM

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Daryl, I would say what you have there is the "Schützenpatrone" 9,5x47R or like in the old pic above 9 1/2 x47

after the 8,15x46R the most used target cartridge and based on the 11,15x60R Mauser case

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: lancaster]
#240647 - 15/01/14 04:58 AM

Here is an very similar one from Anschütz, just sold on egun for 208 euro:

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: chapmen]
#240655 - 15/01/14 06:48 AM

imho a bargain, sold to you?
maybe reactionary (I dont care

) but it must be a special pleasure to hunt the red buck with such a loveable single shot

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: lancaster]
#240656 - 15/01/14 07:09 AM

Poorly i missed the end of the auction. 208 euro is an real good price, i dont thought that it will go under 500 euro......

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: chapmen]
#240661 - 15/01/14 09:31 AM

Nice. Trouble is, importing to the USA and shipping, I imagine ones costs go up tremendously. But it is good to know the price.

Found an identical one that sold in Illinois, USA (1-1-2014)for $1100.00. This one was mint condition, case hardening was perfect along with the rest of the rifle. 8.15x46R,

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: sparks1]
#240662 - 15/01/14 09:40 AM

Daryl, I would say what you have there is the "Schützenpatrone" 9,5x47R or like in the old pic above 9 1/2 x47

after the 8,15x46R the most used target cartridge and based on the 11,15x60R Mauser case

Absolutely - that is it. The action is nickel plated and fairly heavily engraved, iirc.

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: DarylS]
#240679 - 15/01/14 07:09 PM

An interesting point on the Anschuetz rifle is the late proof date-1943.
Also the special sign "Kupfermantel" - copperjacket, normally bore diameter was made deeper for lead
bullets.

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: chapmen]
#240684 - 15/01/14 09:27 PM

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An interesting point on the Anschuetz rifle is the late proof date-1943.
Also the special sign "Kupfermantel" - copperjacket, normally bore diameter was made deeper for lead bullets.

As the rifle shows the 1940 - 1945 Eagle/I = Instandsetzungsbeschuss = reproof, it was merely reprooofed for the then current 8.15 x46R smokeless factory load. The caliber marking and the IG Anschütz stamp are also in accordance with the 1940 proof law. IMHO a much older rifle, originally proofed for black and lead only, was submitted to the proofhouse in 1943 by IG Anschütz, Zella-Mehlis. I have seen several 8.15x46R rifles reproofed after 1940.
Daryl, the 8.15x46R case is not based on the M71 Mauser. It's based on a shortened .360 case. I have successfully made, like many others, 8.15x46R cases from .30-30 brass, shortened and resized.

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Re: Ed. Kettner single shot [Re: kuduae]
#240696 - 16/01/14 03:20 AM

I was talking about the 9.5x47mm case, kuduae, not the 8.15x46R - the only 8.15X46R's were on ADYT or AYDT (?) single shot rifles.

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