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RLI
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Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby?
      #21552 - 01/12/04 01:52 PM

I am looking at buying a Mauser Magnum 100 year centenary rifle in .416 Rigby does any one know anything about them ? Thanks
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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: RLI]
      #21554 - 01/12/04 02:00 PM

I don't know much about them but did get a chance to handle one a couple of years back here in Qld.
I remember thinking at the time that the original purchase price seemed very high.

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: RLI]
      #21565 - 01/12/04 10:05 PM


RLI,

Give me a call. I know of 2.

500 Nitro

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #21584 - 02/12/04 05:43 AM

I think the action or the whole gun comes from Johannsen

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: pwm]
      #21585 - 02/12/04 05:52 AM

pwm,

I think the action or the whole gun comes from Johannsen

Are you sure ?

The 416 I looked at did not look like a Johannsen and in general
I thought they were badly finished, over priced, lets capitalise on
the 100 year anniversary.

I know they were hard to sell over here - in fact I know of one person
who got stuck with one.

Just MHO.

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: RLI]
      #21588 - 02/12/04 07:28 AM

I have one in .375H&H that I bought from Prechtl (who made them), for about Euro 3800. It was unused. I had him change a couple of things though; added a new bolthandle which is a tad longer, a new ERA trigger, had him machine in ERA mounts into the square bridges, and switched the safety to Prechtls 3 pos. side safety.

It shoots very well, and I can't say that I can complain much about the fit/finish. But then maybe this was a nice one, since he kept it himself?

I have seen that the new Mausers made by Sigarms available here in Norway are much higher priced though. About Euro 8000!
Exept for one made a couple of years ago that's priced at Euro 6800 in 416 Rigby. It's a bit rougher than the newest ones I've seen. The price is still too much IMO. It seems to me that Sigarms has set their prices way too high in general...










And here's proof that it actually works:




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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #21602 - 02/12/04 02:34 PM

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby?
[re: pwm] 01/12/04 10:52 AM


.............
I know they were hard to sell over here - in fact I know of one person
who got stuck with one.

500 Nitro





So what are you asking for your 416?

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: RLI]
      #21611 - 02/12/04 06:32 PM

I've used one a few times,416 is a great calibre.
The 100 year Centenary is an overpriced work rifle.
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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #21612 - 02/12/04 07:12 PM


"And here's proof that it actually works"

They work OK. I fired the 416 Rigby version and it shot well.

However, the gun kicked like a mule from bad Stock design (and this is from someone who can handle plenty of recoil !!!)
the action was not very smooth (in fact I thought it was bloddy appalling !!!) and
the overall fit and finish of the action was an abortion.

I'll take an English finished gun any time.

As Alan said, "The 100 year Centenary is an overpriced work rifle"
is an understatement.

Just my 2nd HO !!!

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #21613 - 02/12/04 07:59 PM

In reply to:

the action was not very smooth



This is making me wonder if we're talking about the same gun.

Are you sure that the ones you handled were made in 1998, and not of the 100 that Sigarms made when they took over the Mauser name? Sigarms also made some sort of commemorative run which consisted of 100 .416Rigbys and 100 .375H&H. The Sigarm 416Rigby I mentioned in the above post for example is not nearly as smooth as my action (the Sigarms number is 90something out of 100). It's a mag mauser action, and they made 100 of them, but there ends the simularity.

The reason I ask, is that the Prechtl action on my rifle is without doubt very, very smooth. Friends who have handle both Ritterbursh, Johannsen (all his actions are made by Prechtl) and other very high-end actions have commented this too. Other shooters who are used to Sauers, Heyms, Remingtons, and other "normal" production rifles have all been amazed over the feeling of the action, and say they've never felt anything like it...

Granted the wood isn't of the Ritterbursh class, but then they go for Euro 10.000 and up...

So, are we maybe talking about 2 differant rifles? Maybe you could check it out? It would be interesting to know if there were major differances amongst the 100 made of each calibur.

Erik D.

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: EricD]
      #21615 - 02/12/04 09:00 PM


ErikD,

The one I shot in 416 (and a 375H&H I saw) both came in Blue, Velvet lined cases
\and were the 100 year anniversary models by ? Mauser.

I think they had somethig like this on the barrel.

As to who made them, I don't know but I didn't like it
and I wouldn't pay $10,000 for one and there's plenty of Bolt action
rifles I'd pay that amount or more for.

Anyway, Hope this helps.

500 Nitro

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #21623 - 03/12/04 01:29 AM

500Nitro,

US$ 10.000 for a "100 year" Mauser would be robbery! Did they cost that much down in Australia? Are you sure you don't mean 10.000 Fiji Dollars?!?!

I don't know what they went for in 1998.

Like I mentioned, I got away with paying about US$4500...

But then I've been searching abit on older AR posts, and have seen some pictures of the Sigarms series of 100 rifles. They differ a bit here and there: They have a drop mag to hold 1 extra round. The Sig what looks like an ERA trigger, at least a differant one then the original 1898-1998 series where the trigger is more centred in the trigger guard, the Sigs bolt handle isn't blued, as it was on the first 100 year rifles.

The picture below is my rifle, before I changed a few things mentioned on an above post:


Maybe ALF, or another Mauser expert will fill in some gaps with their knowledge?

Erik D.

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: EricD]
      #21636 - 03/12/04 12:49 PM

In reply to:

the Sigs bolt handle isn't blued, as it was on the first 100 year rifles.




The one that I saw came in the blue lined case, did not have a blued bolt handle but did have some sort of fancy (shiny) pistol grip cap.

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: 4seventy]
      #21686 - 05/12/04 12:19 AM

Hi guys:

Mehulkamdar alerted me to this thread.

The Mauser centenary rifles were commissioned by Rheinmetal Industry in Germany for the 100 year Commemoration of Mauser as they were the owners of the rights to Mauser at the time. This was before Sig taking over.

So 100 rifles were made in 416 and 100 in 375.

I have SN R51/100 in 416 Rigby

They came in a leather box with cleaning rods etc.

The rifles were built on Prechtl actions, same as the Johannsen Rifles. I'm not sure if Reimer had anything to do with the fitting of the barrels and or stocks.

The stock design is clean and nothing fancy, nothing wrong with the geometry at all but it is light. It is made of a very light, but hard wallnut ( same wood as used in the making of Sauer 202 rifle stocks) and with the very thin barrel profile the bigger 416 does kick. This is a very light rifle for a 416!

Now if anyone tells me a 416 at full throttle does not kick I will refer them back to the simple equations that deal with recoil.

So if the rifle is light and the powder charge is big it will kick no matter the geometry.

They are very, very well built and my original rifle in 416 cost as much as the same rifle offered by Riemer Johannsen at the time.

Mine is fitted with the original flag safety and that is how I like it to be as it should be as close to the original as possible.

Aesthetically I do not like the 3 position safety, well not on a rifle that professes to be the commemoration of the Mauser legacy; if I did I would buy me a Winchester cause thats where they belong









Compared to an Original Single squre bridge Rigby in 416
Rigby:

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: EricD]
      #21702 - 05/12/04 07:54 AM


ErikD,

Aus $10,000, not US.

At the time it was about US$4,500, now with the current exchange rate it would be SU$7800.

500 Nitro

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? *DELETED* [Re: ALF]
      #21709 - 05/12/04 09:23 AM

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: ALF]
      #21719 - 05/12/04 10:42 AM

Alf

In reply to:

ow if anyone tells me a 416 at full throttle does not kick I will refer them back to the simple equations that deal with recoil.


I know of what you speek.
I have once shott a custom .416 rigby rifle made by Nystrøm og Krabbe (Denmark) That kicked like my .500 Jeffery I was very surprised. did not expect that.
The rifle was about 100,000 rand (90.000kr) very nice to look at. and perfect stock but about a pound too light.
In the big bores weigth and balance is everything.


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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: 470Rigby]
      #21720 - 05/12/04 10:45 AM

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The effing CHEEKPIECE! Never seen one on an original Rigby Magazine Rifle built before the "modern era"!




But then the "commemorative" Mauser isn't built to be a Rigby copy! It's built to be a Mauser type A copy, which often had cheekpieces in the 1930s. The quote below might shed some light. It's from an e-mail sent to me from Gottfried Prechtl, who made the actions:

"the original 1989-1998 is made like the original Form A from Mauser,built at 1939. The bolt handle is short. We tooked this original rifle for this model. You know that Mr. Goering, the Reichsjagdminister had the same rifle, but he got a longer bolt handle. Also John Rigby in London gots a little bit longer handles. ( this is fashion)"

BTW, you might find the below quote from Prechtl interesting. It appears that quite a lot of gunmakers use his actions:

"We produce rifles only for our customers and for MAUSER. Johannsen, english and austrian gunsmiths ( Holland &Holland, Rigby,Westley Richards, Habmrusch, Hauptmann, Just, Hofer),african gunsmithes like Sabi Werkswinkel, Truvelo, produce their own rifles with our actions."

From whats been written in the posts above, it appears to me that the rifles 500Nitro, and a couple of you other guys handled are most likely the "Sigarms" series, and not the original series. So the question is which one has RLI looked at?


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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: 470Rigby]
      #21721 - 05/12/04 10:51 AM

470 Rigby:

Whoa there ! This rifle was built to commemorate Mauser not Rigby so it is defintely not a Rigby copy

It is however a Mauser copy and Mauser used cheekpieces similar to this rifle on their stocks. I know cause I have a few.

Mauser basically offered two stock types in the Model A and this stock copies the original Mauser spec faithfully.

The LOP on my rifle trigger to end of wood is 14.5 inches exactly like the original, in stead of the mauser metal horn or plastic buttplate they added a recoil pad that adds just shy of an inch.

What they have domne though is to improve slightly on the drop at toe and comb on this rifle cause the original mauser was wicked 3.5 inch and 2.25 respectively.

The curve of the pistol grip is typical Mauser and differs from the classic long grip of english Mausers.

I also have two Original 416 Rigby rifles. These are English guns with english stock dimenions, different ball game all together.

So in short as you are critical of this rifle you have to be critical of all Original Mausers cause this is how they are.

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: RLI]
      #21742 - 05/12/04 11:34 PM

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Poster: RLI
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I am looking at buying a Mauser Magnum 100 year centenary rifle in .416 Rigby does any one know anything about them ? Thanks
RLI



So Alf and ErikD may have actually handled one.



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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: NitroX]
      #21790 - 06/12/04 04:55 PM

Quite a few opinions on this subject! All I know is the rifle comes in a brown leather case marked Mauser blue velvet lined (not felt) The rifle is marked 1898-1998 on top of barrel next to reciever ,it has a 2 stage trigger,original safety and well made but expensive then again I checked the current Mauser website and talked to the Australian importer and a standard magnum mauser would cost about $12900 AUD. I think these are the new SIG ones.

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: 470Rigby]
      #21791 - 06/12/04 04:58 PM

475 Rigby:

Huh? Why a pointless excercise?

The rifle more correctly was built to commemorate likely one of the largest contributions to modern shooting yet namely the Model 98 action of Paul Mauser.

The caliber chosen is irrelavent, the action is; and in the form of the double square bridge likely the pinnacle of the Mauser action design.

No matter how we cut it here it's one helluva rifle. I have originals to compare it with and if it were not for the value of the originals I would venture to say this particular rifle is better than an original for any number of reasons.

No more no less !

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Re: Mauser 100 year Centenary rifle in .416 Rigby? [Re: ALF]
      #23735 - 08/01/05 05:01 PM

I think the CZ 550 HONORS the Mauser design and tradition very well and continues the theme that made Mauser the dominant force in rifles - affordability.

The Euro style CZ is heavy enough and has the stock style that allows for easy aiming and minimizes recoil when fired offhand.

So my experince is: "416 Rigby - What Recoil?"
http://www.cafepress.com/416rigby

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