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HistoricBore
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How old is this 7 x 64 M-Sch?
      #236120 - 27/09/13 03:13 AM

I have a stalker friend who uses a nice old Mannlicher Schoenaur, chambered for the 7mm x 64 Brenneke cartridge. Its serial number is 10,xxx and it has a 24" barrel and set triggers, plus a nice horn trigger guard. He has had it for 40 years, and originally bought it in Germany.

The bolt handle when closed points straight down, and is not angled to the rear as on the 1950s and later models. It is marked Made in Austria [My 6,5 x 54 is marked Made in Germany - around 1939 I think.]

Any ideas?

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Re: How old is this 7 x 64 M-Sch? [Re: HistoricBore]
      #236121 - 27/09/13 03:41 AM

The model would be m1924/25, the first one with longer action. It was the first model which has been chamfered to many different calibers, .30-06, 7x57, 7x64, 8x57JS, 8x60S, 9.3x62mm and even 10.75x68mm. It has steel butt plate and only wing safety. Could you send any fotos ?

By the way, m1952 is the first model with swept back bolt handle, named GK (= Gebogene Kammer)

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Re: How old is this 7 x 64 M-Sch? [Re: Igorrock]
      #236127 - 27/09/13 07:45 AM

That sounds about right. The butt plate is not steel, however, but a plastic sort of material which has cracked. Of course this could have been replaced sometime.
It is fitted with mounts for a scope and has a post-war Zeiss 6 x 42 scope on it on high see-through mounts. The condition of it is well used, with the checkering almost smooth, but it still kills deer without any problem! No photos yet; I will look at the safety catch sometime.
For a reload he is using 48 grains of Vihtvuori N140 with a 150 grain Norma soft point.

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Re: How old is this 7 x 64 M-Sch? [Re: HistoricBore]
      #236151 - 27/09/13 02:23 PM

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The butt plate is not steel, however, but a plastic sort of material which has cracked.


Model 1950 has a plastic butt plate and straight bolt handle.

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Re: How old is this 7 x 64 M-Sch? [Re: Igorrock]
      #236161 - 27/09/13 06:54 PM

(1) There should be a set of numbers on the barrel, probably visible to the eye on the stock line but, if not, then in the barrel channel, (meaning, take the action out of the stock to see it). They'll be something like 234.34 which in this example means the 234th rifle proofed at the proof house at Vienna in 1934. There's your year. The 7x64 was first chambered in the M.1924 so that's the earliest date. They continued to be made in this calibre as long as they made Mannlicher-Schoenauers of this same design, until about the early 1970's from memory.

If it's a M.1924 it should say so on the front receiver ring - probably under the scope mount :-) The first model after the war was the M.1950. I've owned a M.1950 in 7x64. The checkering was also worn off. It had only a wing safety and no side safety, which by the time of the M.1952 had been rectified for American market tastes.

2)If your Mannlicher says on the front ring that it is a Mannlicher-Schoenauer, and it's not just a full-stocked Mauser copy that looks like one, then it would only say "Made in Germany" after the German-Austrian Anschluss when German troops entered Austria. It continued to be stamped "Made in Germany" until 1945. Perhaps a few still marked this way were also made up with parts afterwards until things got moving again in the early 1950's. Because the Steyr works was busy making armaments in 1938-45, there aren't very many "Made in Germany" Mannlicher sporting rifles at all.

I sold that particular Mannlicher, which I regret, but I still use the 7x64 cartridge and swear by it.

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Re: How old is this 7 x 64 M-Sch? [Re: Kiwi_bloke]
      #236167 - 27/09/13 08:46 PM

About 1930 and again after 1945 the date markings af Mannlicher-Schoenauers were changed. Also, the serial numbers are unusable for dating, as each model had it's own serial number range. Some examples:
M1924 in .30-06, #299 date 1618.27 = 1927
M1925 in 8x60 Magnum, #3233 date 34. = 1934
M1903 in 6.5x54, #23979 date 36. = 1936
M1910 in 9.5x57, #11400 date 37. = 1937
M1950 in 7x57, #3092 date 51 = 1951
"M1950" (marked such, but a post-1952 magnum action) in 6.5x68, #22638 date 57 = 1957.

Note, up to about 1930 there was a dot in front of the year digits, after the proofhouse ledger number. After 1930 no ledger number, dot after the year. 1950 on year only, without a dot.

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