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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #234685 - 25/08/13 11:09 PM

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BTW that 9.4x64 rifle sold for EURO 514.99, about $ 670.-.




The way the ultimate price was arrived at struck me as rather peculiar. A bidder with no successful bids to his credit kept pushing the price up, until only one other bidder was active, and then, intentionally or not, successfully outbid the remaining bidder by 5.00 Euros. It makes me wonder if the seller was not employing a shill, who bid one time too often and was left holding the bag. Obviously from the number of exclamation points used in the description, the seller thought very highly of his offering.

Incidentally, I just noticed that the same rifle is again for sale by the same seller http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4533119, and once again a novice bidder is running the price up.




The second auction has now ended, with the same results, except that this time the final bid, also made by a straw bidder, was even lower than the first time around, 402.00 Euros.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #234699 - 26/08/13 04:59 AM

Very interesting rifle , what seems to be a prewar vom Hofe super express (Original commercial Oberndorf action and- to my view- Oberndorf Type A stock.
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4545833


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: justcurious]
      #234718 - 26/08/13 01:20 PM

yes, looks great and 7x73 vom Hofe super express is not something you see everyday


















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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #234722 - 26/08/13 01:34 PM

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yes, looks great and 7x73 vom Hofe super express is not something you see everyday








For some reason the 7mm vom Hofe Super Express has always interested me. I think it was after reading, I think it was a Harald Wolf article, on a German hunter who used a 7mm SEVH and a .404 for hunts across the world. (Corrected - it may not have been a .404 but a .500 NE double rifle.)

I looked up the ballistics at the time, and from memory they were something like a 7mm Rem Mag?

What was the case based on?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: NitroX]
      #234723 - 26/08/13 01:41 PM

Did a search on NE and found this thread, which appears to be a 7x66 SEVH - http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=73139&an=&page=0&vc=1

I see the 7x66 ballistics are about 3000 fps for a 170 gr projectile. The 7x73 (belted) cartridge generated a "reported" 3300 fps for a 170 gr projectile - per factory Gehrmann loads, which COTW reports as "optimistic".

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: NitroX]
      #234724 - 26/08/13 01:45 PM

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What was the case based on?




iirc, the 404

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #234726 - 26/08/13 01:57 PM

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What was the case based on?




iirc, the 404




Isn't that the 7x66? The 7x73 appears to be a belted case?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: NitroX]
      #234728 - 26/08/13 02:27 PM

Beautiful looking rifle and very interesting chambering. I don't think those lines have ever been improved on.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Claydog]
      #234732 - 26/08/13 04:36 PM

The parent case of 7x73 SEvH was .300 H&H. But itīs interesting to notice that vom Hofes case head is a tad bigger than .300`s.


7x73



.300 H&H


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #234750 - 27/08/13 12:42 AM

Solid left wall, magnum length round-top action. Pre-war?
Not sure I have ever seen this configuration.
Reminds me of the Halger I had... Similar case to the .280 Dubiel too.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Huvius]
      #234756 - 27/08/13 03:14 AM

yes looks like pre war to me! I think Funk in Suhl was making the rifles for vom Hofe maybe kuduae see this.
dont say the rifle is perfect but it would be a simple job just changing the old firewood against a mcmillan tactical stock. new stainless barrel in 460 weatherby and a weaver rail and you are ready

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #234761 - 27/08/13 06:05 AM

All the 7x73 SEvH are pre-war and were built on Mauser commercial Magnum length actions. Note the position of the recoil crossbolt at the rear of the receiver ring, a dead giveaway for a Mauser Magnum action. As true Magnum length actions were available no more after WW2, cartridge production was not resumed. Gehmann, who owned the "Vom Hofe" trademark, designed the rimless 7x66 SEvH instead as a replacement, as this shorter cartridge could be used in an opened up standard length action. BTW, in designing the 7x66, Gehmann copied a pre-war experimental cartridge by Wilhelm Brenneke. I even know a pre-war vom Hofe rifle, originally in 7x73. Post-war Gehmann rebarreled this rifle to 7x66 and inserted a wood filler block to shorten the now unnecessarily long magazine! the most silly conversion I have ever seen! I don't know who made these rifles for vom Hofe. May have been Chr.Funk or Schmidt & Habermann, who made all the "Original Wilhelm Brenneke, Leipzig" rifles.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #234762 - 27/08/13 06:17 AM

Looking at the details of the metal and wood, it appears to be the work of Friedrich Triebel.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #234763 - 27/08/13 06:19 AM

Interesting info again ! Thanks Kuduae !

By the way, quite nice CECO -mauser for sale in sweden. What a pity that the original stock is missing:

http://www.blocket.se/boden/GECO_mauser_98_9_3x57_48961318.htm?ca=3&w=3







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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: dons]
      #234765 - 27/08/13 08:34 AM

Were magnum actions with rounded rear bridges more or less common than a square rear bridge or did they have the rear square bridge taken off?
My Halger had a rear square bridge and I think others I have seen did too.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Huvius]
      #234800 - 28/08/13 01:56 PM

10,75x68 african model serial number 27682
restored but I dont like the scope and the "10,75x68" in gold


































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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #234801 - 28/08/13 02:40 PM

I think I could learn to live with the scope and gold lettering. Looks a good restoration and I would love to get hold of one of those Africa models.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Claydog]
      #234803 - 28/08/13 03:11 PM

This rifle seems to be "an old friend"......

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=221800&an=0&page=1#Post221800

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #234807 - 28/08/13 10:10 PM

"Note the position of the recoil crossbolt at the rear of the receiver ring, a dead giveaway for a Mauser Magnum action."

Why is this the case and not like a standard Mauser?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Don]
      #234809 - 28/08/13 10:31 PM

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"Note the position of the recoil crossbolt at the rear of the receiver ring, a dead giveaway for a Mauser Magnum action."

Why is this the case and not like a standard Mauser?

Dpn




Most dimensions are shared by the standard and magnum length actions except, of course, length.
Even the distance between the screws coming up from the bottom metal is the same.
The foreward lug (under the receiver ring) on a standard action is out near the forward end of the action so the crossbolt behind it ends up more or less directly below the center of the front ring.
On a magnum action, the foreward lug is close to centered under the front ring so the crossbolt is farther rearward toward the back edge of the front ring.
I have been meaning to photograph this. It is very obvious in a side by side photo.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Huvius]
      #234820 - 29/08/13 04:40 AM

Here is a comment I just got from Jon Speed:
" By the way I saw the small talk on Nitro site about the 7X73 von Hofe rifle and wanted to add that the action on this rifle had been a Single squre bridge soild left wall example but on many von Hofe rifles the rear bridge was milled down to set up suhler type scope bases.This was also the case on some Halger rifles as these groups did not consider the Mauser square bridge scope mounting strong enough for whatever reason."
I disagree slightly with friend Jon on the last sentence only: Imho they did not want to buy Mauser's proprietary rear rings that only came in more or less standardised sizes and heights. So they removed the square bridge to be able to fit Suhl made, f.i. by A.W.Triebel, claw mount bases and rings. Noone of their then customers cared about "collector grade originality", they only wanted a reliable, strong, scoped rifle.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #234826 - 29/08/13 07:52 AM

Thanks Kuduae, that clears it up for me as far as the lack of a rear square bridge.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Huvius]
      #234827 - 29/08/13 10:13 AM

Thanks Kuduae I guess the point is that in this case since the screws coming up from the bottom metal to the underside of the action and joining where the recoil lug is defines the position of the cross bolt. Since the screws coming up from the bottom metal on a magnum action is in the the same location as a standard action, because the magnum action is lengthen this has the effect of the recoil lug appearing move backward with the cross bolt at the rear of receiver ring. Make sense?

Another question: I have heard that on occasion that gunsmiths would take two standard Mauser actions cut each one in two at a difference of 3/16" and re-weld them to create a "magnum" Mauser in light of what you said I don't see how this was possible. Have you heard anything on the surgical production of "magnum" Mauser?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Don]
      #234843 - 29/08/13 04:09 PM

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I have heard that on occasion that gunsmiths would take two standard Mauser actions cut each one in two at a difference of 3/16" and re-weld them to create a "magnum" Mauser in light of what you said I don't see how this was possible. Have you heard anything on the surgical production of "magnum" Mauser?



Here in Finland some gunsmiths have done such a job. It succeeds but needs much finishing works and special jig when welding those two halves together. And properly heat treating too. I have also seen pictures of m98 action shortened to m96 lenght.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #234858 - 30/08/13 03:30 AM

this one was cut and weld for the the lenght of the 8x33 Kurz










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