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buckstix
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Re: 16 ga Vogelbüchse [Re: lancaster]
      #266419 - 15/06/15 03:10 AM

Hello lancaster,

Thank you for the reply.

Yes, please keep me informed about buying the 12ga. rifle, or any accessories for these rifles in any caliber. I'm always looking to add to my collection, even if I don't have the rifle yet.

Here is one of my best targets with the 16ga. But some times I get hang-fires with IMR 4198 powder so now I'm trying AA5744 powder which never gives a hang-fire. I will post more results some time later this summer.



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Re: 16 ga Vogelbüchse [Re: lancaster]
      #266422 - 15/06/15 03:31 AM


...I am thinking real hard on this one. As a guncollector such a gun is a true rarety...but as a hunter such a gun limits as it weighs like a railroad sleeper.

I would love to buy it but I am afraid once I buy it, it will just be standing in the safe doing nothing.

Lancaster:

I will pass this one to someone who see a bigger need than I have. This gun a collectors item and especially with molds, tools, leatherbag that goes with it.

When I buy a collectable vintage gun a few demands must be met. Investment, usefulness and condition. This Vogelbüchse has Investment and condition but lack usefulness.

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Re: 16 ga Vogelbüchse [Re: rigbymauser]
      #266431 - 15/06/15 06:12 AM

Hello rigbymauser,

I know what you mean about usefulness. Other than "shock" value to other shooters at the range, my big cannons do not have a real practical usefulness, at least not here in the States.

But then I have NEVER been practical, and always bought what I liked, and then later grouped them into collections. So that's how I ended up with 3 of them.

Hello lancaster,

If you could guide me as to how to go about inquiring the possibility of purchasing this rifle and then imported it into the States, I would be most appreciative. If not too much additional cost is involved, I would like to add it to my group.

However, the last time I looked into importing a modern rifle from Canada, I had problems. That rifle was worth about $1000 USD. I could have purchased for about $500 USD. But then I found the importation fees would cost $1250 USD, added to it. It then made it far too much money for its value.

Maybe with an antique rifle such as this, coming from Germany, it may be less costly? I would like to find out. Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: 16 ga Vogelbüchse [Re: buckstix]
      #266441 - 15/06/15 08:48 AM

Buckstix

Excellent group - do you use Magnum primers? If not, that may solve your hang fire problems.

I have used 4198 on several occasions but after the first without Magnum primers left unburnt powder everywhere I considered them a must

Good luck shooting - bore rifles are most attractive and desirable

TH44

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Re: 16 ga Vogelbüchse [Re: TH44]
      #266445 - 15/06/15 09:30 AM

Hello TH44,

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, F215s are Federal Large Rifle Magnum primers. I've had this hang-fire problem before using IMR 4198 in some of my other large bore cases. However, I've never had a problem with AA5744 - that's why I'm changing to that powder.

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Re: 16 ga Vogelbüchse [Re: buckstix]
      #266509 - 16/06/15 05:31 AM

Hello lancaster,

Hello rigbymauser,

It looks like the 12ga is not going to be in my future. I made a few phone calls today and the cost quoted me were ... purchase price is 2600 euroes - plus 95 euros administration - plus 350 euros shipping - plus 200 euros insurance ..... add to that $200 USD import fees - and $350 USD broker fees - and $90 USD duty would bring the total to AT LEAST $4105 USD ... with no guarentee there won't be some additional costs along the way. ... and upto 9 months time total.

That's a little too much expense for me.

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Re: 16 ga Vogelbüchse [Re: buckstix]
      #266521 - 16/06/15 07:19 AM


Ein schönes Lied als Ersatz ein Vogelbüchse...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z9V0ukpLOw

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Re: 16 ga Vogelbüchse [Re: rigbymauser]
      #266528 - 16/06/15 12:16 PM

A beautiful song as a replacement for a bird gun

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