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Combination Gun of the Week
      #234345 - 16/08/13 10:31 PM

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4522833
E.Schmidt & Habermann, Suhl Kaliber 16/65 9,3x82R
Dr. Gerhard Walter ZF 6x36 Absehen 1 auf SEM


















http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4499655
Simson - Suhl, Kaliber 12/65 9,3x72R "Simson-Jäger Verschluss"














http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4502925#img
Wilh. Collath -Soehne- Frankfurt A/ Oder
combination gun barrels/ Büchsflintenlauf, Kaliber 20/65 & 7x72R 67cm long
Görtz, Berlin ZF Absehen 2 mittels konischer Aufschubmontage

double gun barrels/Doppelflintenlauf Kaliber 20/65 72cm long











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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #234348 - 16/08/13 10:52 PM

That round action is sweet!

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: Orvar]
      #234362 - 17/08/13 07:42 AM

So nice.
That round action is really neat.
Lots of great stuff over there!





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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: tinker]
      #234391 - 18/08/13 03:00 AM

yes, Teschner-Collath never build a bad gun

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #234459 - 19/08/13 11:49 PM

Wilh. Collath -Soehne- Frankfurt A/ Oder
combination gun barrels/ Büchsflintenlauf, Kaliber 20/65 & 7x72R 67cm long
Görtz, Berlin ZF Absehen 2 mittels konischer Aufschubmontage

double gun barrels/Doppelflintenlauf Kaliber 20/65 72cm long

Will collect it tomorrow. After researching and writing two articles to be published by the German Gun Collectors Association www.germanguns.com on the Teschner & Co., Wilhelm Collath, Frankfurt on Oder, company and inventions, I decided I need a Collath slide and tilt action gun with a rifle barrel of my own. The frosting on the cake is the ultra-rare Collath designed scope mount, Collath's protected design DRGM # 176777 of 1902 with the original Goerz scope. Never seen the complete arrangement before.
Just to defeat the object of Nordmann's business: It will set me back EURO 652.-, about $ 850.-.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: kuduae]
      #234460 - 20/08/13 12:27 AM

waidmannsheil to your new gun
its realy a nice thing

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #234676 - 25/08/13 01:56 PM

Suhl made pre war Drilling 16/70 7x65R proof in 1935




































http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4522351

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #234698 - 26/08/13 04:59 AM

That is beautiful, Lancaster. I particularly like the matting/engraving combination. Classy look.

I have been rethinking Drillings lately, after handling a friend's Sauer. I'm now thinking they might be perfect for that walk in the woods where you just have no idea what you are going to encounter I had no idea they were so balanced. Well, his anyway.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: Even]
      #234882 - 30/08/13 04:45 PM

Hahnbüchsflinte Novotny/ Prag in 20/70 8x57IR with a new Swarovski Habicht 3-10x42 A Abs 4 on the old claw mount
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4480914&PHPSESSID=37edb8be0137fb643e426c39ae68fc54









































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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #234891 - 30/08/13 07:55 PM

Very Nice gun, Love it!

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: Taylor416]
      #234913 - 31/08/13 04:33 AM

not only nice this is a BEST GUN

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #234918 - 31/08/13 05:03 AM

Lancaster,

A very nice gun there. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: NitroX]
      #234939 - 31/08/13 02:03 PM

wonderful Sauer Drilling in 16 AND 10,75x65R Gründig
the long Gründig cartride is the rimmed equivalent to the 10,75x68 Mauser
brass can probably made by cuting 3,25" sharps, my recommendation for anyone whos is looking for a serious Tropendrilling


























http://www.naturabuy.fr/Beau-Drilling-pl...em-1482461.html

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #235266 - 07/09/13 01:34 PM

Sempert & Krieghoff drilling in 12ga und 8x57IR
side looks, side lever for seperate cocking of the rifle barrel,the first trigger can work as a single trigger and as a set trigger, ejectors in the shotgun barrels,66 cm long barrels
made in 1924






http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4449133




Drilling Mod. 94 by Aug.(ust) Lebeau A. Liege. 450 BPE - 12 / 65
black and nitro proofed, probably made in 1911/12













http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4545430

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #236883 - 19/10/13 05:32 AM

very early Immanuel Meffert - Suhl Drilling in 16/65 and 10,4x46R
need a complete restoration













http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4591286



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Ferlach made cape gun in 16 and 10,6x48/52R















http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4581484



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Ernst Steigleder Berlin/Suhl o/u combination gun in 16/65 and 8x58R
"Gerard" 2,5 x20 scope on claw mount,69 cm long barrels









http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4426443

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #237294 - 31/10/13 07:18 AM

Hahnvierling, Venus Waffenwerken in Zella Sankt-Blasii
2 barrels 20/70 over two barrels in 6,5x58R
nitro proofed in 1913, 66 cm long barrels and the weight is around 4 kg
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4622969
















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Hahnbüchsflinte I. Novotny in Prague
left barrel 16/65, right barrel cirka 11,3mm for blackpowder
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4622820














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Hahnschienendrillig or Waldläufer 410 and 5.6x35R-Hornet
unclear if this is the 22 Hornet or the older and original 5,6x35R Vierling cartridge
this Drilling was made before WW 1 so the Hensoldt Diasta 4x32 scope was coming much later.

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4633781










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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #237305 - 31/10/13 10:16 AM

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Hahnschienendrillig or Waldläufer 410 and 5.6x35R-Hornet
unclear if this is the 22 Hornet or the older and original 5,6x35R Vierling cartridge
this Drilling was made before WW 1 so the Hensoldt Diasta 4x32 scope was coming much later.



No question that the original caliber was not .22 Hornet, since it was developed in the 1920's. The 5.6X35 Vierling was the equivalent of the earlier .22 WCF, introduced by Winchester as a black powder cartridge in 1885.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: xausa]
      #239245 - 14/12/13 06:38 AM

Drilling Waffen-Schmidt, Suhl Thüringen in 16/65 and 8x57JRS , shipped in april 1942
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4566211















































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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #239651 - 21/12/13 05:03 PM

Eduard Kettner/Suhl "Rhenus" double gun in 16/65 with combination gun barrels in 9,3x72R & 16/65
made in 3/(19)27, double gun barrel 752 mm long, combination gun barrels 680 mm long
Schütz/Kassel 4x scope on claw mount


http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4721733










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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #241802 - 05/02/14 08:26 PM

Oberhammer/München
Hahndrilling in 16/65 and 10,4x46R

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4786271
































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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #241877 - 07/02/14 02:16 AM

Lancaster,

If I'm not mistaken, in this case if I'm not seeing things, it appear the P. Oberhammer driiling has a double diopter. This is a first for me if it is indeed the case.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: Buchsemann]
      #241885 - 07/02/14 05:06 AM

The crown/V mark on the top rib of the Oberhammer drilling may look similar to the London proofhouse "View" mark, but is the German "Vorratszeichen" = in stock mark. When the German prooflaw became effectiv on April 1, 1893, it was stamped on guns that were on maker's or dealer's shelves, ready for sale and not subject to the "new" proof. It was essentially a proof exemption mark. If after April 1, 1893 a gun without this crown/V mark was found on a dealer's rack, the dealer would be prosecuted and the gun subjected to full proof, using the heavier proof charges of the first or preliminary proof for rough barrels.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: Buchsemann]
      #241897 - 07/02/14 07:33 AM

Quote:

Lancaster,

If I'm not mistaken, in this case if I'm not seeing things, it appear the P. Oberhammer driiling has a double diopter. This is a first for me if it is indeed the case.

Mark



yes the description for this action mentioned TWO diopter
its also new for me

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #243192 - 02/03/14 02:28 PM

Doppelbüchsdrilling Schmidt und Habermann/Suhl
16/70 und 8x57IR

three trigger, in front for the shotgun barrel, in the middle a set trigger
the front trigger's can be fold forward when using as a double rifle only











http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4810945




Hahndrilling by an unknown maker in 20/70 and .35 Win







coming with 35 Win ammo made by Waffen Dorfner/Vienna 15 years ago
to get an impression of the hassle you have when loading a small lot of CIP proofed ammo in europe this rounds cost 7,20 euro each than

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4799393

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: NitroX]
      #243566 - 10/03/14 01:35 AM

Hahndrilling Emil Nordheim Zella-Mehlis Kal.8x56R (probably 8x57IR) 16/65
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4844141













combination gun Suhl around 1935 in 196/65 and 9,3x72R

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4844459
"Bienne" and "Rolert Widmer" in gold on the barrels













nice Sauer&Sohn sidelook drilling in 12/65 and 8x57IR, to bad the scope is lost
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4837071























new Hahndrillind in 20/76 and 6,5x57R

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4841353








Bockbüchsflinte Franz Ernst Nürnberg in 16 and 11,15x52R with damascus barrels
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4837219













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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #244072 - 21/03/14 05:40 AM

a belgian proofed Drilling in 12/70 and probably in 10,75x52R Gründig

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4865570

the rifle barrel drill out smooth to exactly 10,75mm













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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #246730 - 30/04/14 04:05 PM

What happened to the last post?

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: NitroX]
      #246950 - 04/05/14 02:55 PM

a Collath Drilling in 6,5x58R and 12/65 with Anton Ferdinand Korinski, Erlangen( 1883 - 1920)on the barrels
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4925137








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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #247251 - 09/05/14 11:46 PM

a nice Bockbüchsflinte in 16/65 and 8x57IR by J.J. REEB in Bonn

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4911668
Reeb Johann Jakob wurde 1843 in Bonn geboren. Er arbeitet ab 1867 als Büchsenmacher und übernimmt 1870 die Geschäfte von Ewald Becher (Schwiegervater?). Ab 1877 führt er zusätzlich zur Werkstatt ein großes Geschäft für Waffen und Jagdzubehör. 1887 wird er Hofbüchsenmacher. Reeb stattet zwei Expeditionionen des Afrika-Forschers Carl G. Schilling (“Im Zauber des Elelescho” und ‘Mit Blitzlicht und Büchse’ lesen!) aus. Darin schreibt er unter anderem: ‘Alles was mir der Hofbüchsenmacher J. J. Rebb in Bonn, ein deutscher Waffenschmied von altem Schrot und Korn, geliefert hat, war gut und zuverlässig.’ 1909 zieht sich Johann J. Reeb aus dem Geschäftsleben zurück. Seine Söhne Philip und Hans führen das Geschäft weiter. Hans wird 1911 Meister und übernimmt das Geschäft in Bonn mit der Bezeichnung “JJ Reeb jun., Hofbüchsenmacher, Bonn”. Johann Jakob Reeb stirbt 1924.













































Drilling by Christoph Funk in Suhl
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4936732
Hensoldt Diatal 4x32 on claw mount, 16/65 and 11,5mm( on the barrel 62/78)
in the gun licence as a 11,5x65R what will be a 450 BPE case cut down to 65 mm so its the 11,5x65R 450













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Re: Combination Gun of the Week - Luftwaffe Drilling [Re: lancaster]
      #251425 - 02/08/14 12:58 AM

rare Sauer&Sohn Luftwaffendrilling 12 ga and 9,3x74R

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5038324













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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #253264 - 06/09/14 09:26 PM

Lancaster London combination gun in 577 and 20 ga
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5082943





















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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #253526 - 14/09/14 12:04 AM

Burgsmüller Vierling in 16/16 , 8x57 IRS and 22 Mag

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4992866

























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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #253772 - 20/09/14 02:21 PM

a unusual fine combination gun in 22 lr and 9mm RF Flobert shotshell probablky made in Suhl/Zella Mehlis

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5069830

















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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #253774 - 20/09/14 05:59 PM

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Beautiful engraving.

Thanks for posting.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: NitroX]
      #253786 - 20/09/14 11:59 PM

What a monumental effort it must be to get anything like decent regulation and zeroing in a Drilling or Vierling.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: 9.3x57]
      #255060 - 12/10/14 09:55 PM

combination gun by L.Dieter in München
10,75x52R(probably Gründig)and 16/70 and shotgun barrels in 16/70 with same serial number
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      #256463 - 09/11/14 05:25 PM

Doppelbüchsdrilling Schmidt&Habermann ESHA Kal. 8x57IRS -16/70 for sale by feine kagdwaffen n. wenniger http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4649095&PHPSESSID=73d63782d9b3dad7de7c8c6575378dd7

new proof in 94 and and new stock but one have to wonder where he allways find such things























































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      #256802 - 16/11/14 12:43 AM

Monopol Drilling in 16/70(?) and 11,15x52R
Landlicht 4x56 scope
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5168606








































Treff drilling by Immanuel Meffert/Suhl
16/65 and 9,3x72R
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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #256809 - 16/11/14 04:00 AM

I love that the cartridge trap is on the TOP of the stock on that hammergun.
Makes all the sense in the world.
That represents, to my mind, the classic drilling to a T.

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      #257759 - 12/12/14 06:03 PM

very nice Husqvarna combination model 48B or 52B(?)in 16/65 and 12,7x44R, made in 1913
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4256246


























seller have reloading tools also in another auction. die set is the 500 S&W what seems possible to me after my own experience when loading the 401 WSL with a 41 Mag die.
btw, there is a old Geco ammo box 12,7x44R blackpowder cartridges








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26,8 gramm lead bullet making 380 m/sec, kill moose if you know the distance

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #257761 - 12/12/14 06:20 PM

Cape guns look best when a large rifle caliber to even the barrels out

12.17x44 would be a grand cartridge, too. A mellow fellow to accompany you on your journeys.

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      #257774 - 12/12/14 10:55 PM

sidelook drilling with three sidelooks

9,3x72R and 16/65 made in Liege http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5211264








































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      #257787 - 13/12/14 02:46 AM

Just finished breakfast and looking at these guns- now i'M DROOLING AGAIN.

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No kidding Daryl.
Dang!

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      #258919 - 11/01/15 03:01 AM

J.Goehler /Berlin combination gun in 11,15x60R Mauser and 16 ga.
this based on older needle fire guns but its not a dreyse action
http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/54483-obojetnice-system-dreyse/











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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #259131 - 18/01/15 01:34 AM

double rifle drilling by Heinrich Münch in Aachen
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5272998
two barrels 8x58R and one barrel in 16 ga., three trigger and for the rifle barrels both set trigger
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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #259251 - 21/01/15 10:55 AM

So many incredible and unique firearms. I spent a good deal of time just scrolling and ogling. They start to blur after a bit. I love this place.

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      #259630 - 29/01/15 06:23 PM

Suhl made double rifle drilling in 8x72R and 20/70
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      #262018 - 10/03/15 02:29 PM

8x72R and 16/65 hammer gun by Peterlongo/Innsbruck
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5361671
scope is a W.Kaufmann/Wetzlar 4x32









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      #262563 - 21/03/15 12:59 AM

Drilling E. Schmidt & Habermann - Suhl, 6,5x54 Mannl.-Schön. 16/65, SN 42063
Zeiss ZielVier on claw mount , proofed in 1928
in the next Springer's auction http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/d...;currentpos=226





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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #265397 - 22/05/15 06:56 PM

GG LECHNER REMO 2 BARREL SET O/U 24 GAUGE & 20 OVER 8X58R
Description:
MADE 1972 THE 24 GAUGE BARRELS ARE 28 1/2" VENT RIB EXTRACTOR THE COMBO BARREL ARE 20 GAUGE OVER 8X 57 THE 20 GAUGE HAS 039 CHOKE AND 3" CHAMBERS WITH EXTRACTORS DOUBLE TRIGGER 3 PC FOREARM PISTOL GRIP HORN TRIGGER GUARD AND A KAHLES 4X32 SCOPE IN CLAW MOUNTS 6LB 4 OZ WITH 24 GAUGE BARRELS 14 1/8 LOP
http://www.gunsinternational.com/GG-LECH...un_id=100532740




















J.P.Sauer&Sohn Sidelock Drilling , made in 1925
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16/70 +16/70 +7x57R new barrels made in 1984


















































































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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #265407 - 23/05/15 12:37 AM

That drilling is a beautiful gun.New set of barrels...Just what does it run to have new barrels made for a drilling these days?

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      #266070 - 08/06/15 12:18 AM

not in the best shape but interesting Meffert Drilling in 16/65 and 11,15x60R
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      #266773 - 21/06/15 08:04 PM

Thieme&Schlegelmilch sidelock drilling in the next springer's auction
http://issuu.com/joh.springerserben/docs/springer_auktionskatalog17_web



Sauer&Sohn Drlling 16ga and 8x58R S&S
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      #267330 - 03/07/15 05:56 PM

side by side combination gun in 16/65 and 11,15x60R Mauser with 16 ga double gun barrels made for Eduard Kettner/Köln probably in 1922
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      #267341 - 04/07/15 12:47 AM

Nice! Very nice.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: DarylS]
      #267345 - 04/07/15 02:16 AM

but unusual combination in a hammerless action
not born as one of the so called express blackpowder cartridges the 11,15x60R belonged into this group and will be found most times in older hammerguns. when hammerless action's came in common use this big bore blackpowder cartridge was outdated.

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      #267490 - 06/07/15 10:35 PM

Nice any vierling.

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      #269381 - 18/08/15 08:51 PM

Double Rifle Drilling in 20/65 and 12,7x60R 500 by Oberhammer/München
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comes with 30 rounds made by Waffen Dorfner in Wien

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      #271043 - 27/09/15 07:49 PM

Zella Mehlis proof in 1942 and made for Jakob Ehser Köln Ehrenfeld
16 and 8x57IR http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5576118













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      #271049 - 27/09/15 10:58 PM

Quote:

not in the best shape but interesting Meffert Drilling in 16/65 and 11,15x60R




I take it that the pivoting nose of the right hammer serves as the barrel selector. Is this correct? In practice, how would this work? Would the shooter simply depress the nose of the hammer to select the rifle barrel? That would appear hard to do with gloves on.

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      #271051 - 27/09/15 11:51 PM

dont know but seems it works this way

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      #272114 - 25/10/15 04:05 PM

in the Hermann Historica auction next week

Joh. Springers Erben, Wien Hahnbüchsflinte 16 / 11,5mm ( proably one of the 3 450 BPE cartridges)
SN 8599, around 1890
http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/onlinekatalogeneu.html



J. Adam Kuchenreuter, Regensburg Hahnbüchsflinte 14x46R(28 ga ?)/ 20
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      #277130 - 26/01/16 02:58 AM

hammer drilling by August Schüler /Suhl
16/65 +8x57IR http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5667399













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      #277211 - 27/01/16 11:24 AM

Thanks for putting together such a beautiful thread . Gladdens ones heart. Saved to savor future times. Pat

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      #277220 - 27/01/16 01:52 PM

Love those hammer guns!

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      #279181 - 12/03/16 06:27 PM

Simson Suhl Büchsflinte kal. 16/70 x 6,5 x 58R, SN 37828
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      #281470 - 24/04/16 08:35 PM

Drilling , 3 barrels 12 ga - 3 trigger

http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/haglboesse-tysk-drilling-med-tre-ens-loeb-til-hagl/i4243396/






































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      #281483 - 25/04/16 03:12 AM

Bockbüchsflinte 16/65 + 8x57 IR by Reeb in Bonn
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5922989










































THIEME & SCHLEGELMILCH Drilling with Nimrod Nose action, 16 ga and 9,3x75R 360 Nimrod
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5914278#img













Drilling C.Widmer - St. Gallen (its made in Suhl) 16/65 and 9,3x53R Swiss
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5914337#img
Hensold Wetzlar, Zieljagd 4x on clasw mount, coming with 440 rifle cartridges












Bockbüchsflinte by Greifelt/Suhl
16/65 + 8x57IR http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5934332

































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      #281965 - 06/05/16 01:50 PM

side by side by Gebr. Rempt/Suhl in 11,15x60R Mauser 71 and 16/65 with interchangeable double gun barrels in 16/65 http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5934548

















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      #285916 - 30/07/16 08:46 PM

A very interesting Collath combination gun (Drilling) in 16/65-9,3x65R Collath in good shape. All barrels are nitro proofed:http://www.waffenhandel-zwack.de/

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      #285919 - 31/07/16 01:36 AM

The first gun, the GG LECHNER REMO 2 BARREL SET O/U 24 GAUGE & 20 OVER 8X58R has poor inletting and wood to metal fit. It has the poorest workmanship of inletting and wood to metal fit of any guns in this thread.

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      #285922 - 31/07/16 06:23 AM

IMO it looks like the stock doesn't be original.

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      #287333 - 03/09/16 02:48 PM

E. Kettner Suhl Drilling, 9,3x72R - 16/65, ESL 22 Mag.
rare gun with seperate manuel cocking for the rifle barrel
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      #287836 - 14/09/16 01:50 PM

double rifle Drilling in 9,3x57R( I think it must be the 360 Express case) and 16/65 by Heinz Weihrauch/ Suhl, probably made between 1905 and 1912
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      #287843 - 14/09/16 04:33 PM

2 rifle barrels and one shotgun barrel - around here, that makes more sense than 2 pelters (pellet shooters) and a single rifle bl.

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      #293138 - 04/01/17 09:12 PM

Sauer&Sohn side lock Drilling 16/65 and 11,15x65R
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6243009















Nagel&Menz Drilling 16/70 and 8x57IR
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6248819















Sauer&Sohn double rifle drilling in 8x72R and 16/65
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      #294125 - 21/01/17 05:33 PM

"Hahnbüchsflinte" combination gun by E. Th. Steinecke /Suhl in 16/65 and 11,15x60R with double gun barrel's in 16/65
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      #294633 - 02/02/17 06:43 AM

V.C.Schilling in Suhl, side x side in 16/65+11,15x52R LK
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      #294635 - 02/02/17 06:50 AM

Nice - I do like the DR-Drilling.

That side by side in 11.15x60R would also be nice- IF the shotgun bls came with it - LOL.

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      #296342 - 05/03/17 09:47 PM

W. Watson & Son Cape Rifle 12G x .577 Damascus barrels
Read more at http://www.gunstar.co.uk/w-watson-son-12g-combination-guns/Other-guns/875545#hqDvWvekbKu9yECp.99

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      #298217 - 31/03/17 10:17 PM

Meffert/Suhl Vierling in 16 ga, 8x57(IR) and 5,6x35 R Vierling http://www.hermann-historica.de/de/vierl...p;currentpos=93











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      #305064 - 10/09/17 06:07 AM

Sempert&Krieghoff sidelock Drilling 9,3x72R +16/65 proofed in 1939













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      #305083 - 10/09/17 02:14 PM

H.Burgsmüller Drilling in 8x72R + 24/65 shotgun barrels http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6442580













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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #306053 - 06/10/17 08:58 PM

Drilling by Novotny in prague 16/65 +8x57IRS
http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/d...;currentpos=156

















Waldläufer Drilling by J.Michelitsch in Ferlach 16/70 and not good see but notice the 22lr barrel between the shotgun barrels
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      #306247 - 12/10/17 01:14 AM

rare caliber in a drilling- 16 ga and 405 Win. sold by "C. ULBRICHT. HOF-BÜCHSENMACHER DRESDEN."
no doubt made in Suhl/Zella Mehlis
https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/hahn...;currentpos=131




side lock drilling by Thieme & Schlegelmilch 9,3x75R and 16/65,SN 37501
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      #306987 - 30/10/17 12:32 AM

pinfire combination gun, shotgun and rifled barrel 12mm caliber
Anton Lebeda in Prague https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/lang...mp;currentpos=7









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      #307294 - 05/11/17 11:52 PM

Funk & Söhne 12ga + 11,15x60R SN 1704111

https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/h17/kombi/4495_8



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      #307727 - 14/11/17 07:06 AM

Henry Pieper , 16/65 and 9,5mm












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      #309237 - 20/12/17 10:15 PM

Gustav Fückert in Weipert 16/65 + 11,6x60R 450BPE or 11,6x65R 450BPE
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      #317210 - 11/06/18 01:49 AM

the drillingis maybe not so special but the maker is rare
Theodor Bergmann - Gagenau/Suhl, Kal.: 16/65/9,3 x 72R,SN 154
https://www.dorotheum.com/en/auctions/cu...l?currentPage=2





this is a real rare drilling:
Triumph-Drilling (Bockdrilling) mit Drilling-Wechsellauf im System Herkules,

"F. Faukner Prag und Jos. Orasche - Ferlach, Kal.: 5,6 x 52R/.22 l. r./20/70, Wechsellauf Kal.: 16/56/6,5 x 70R, Triumph-Drilling Nr.: 107651, Lauflänge: 548 mm, Klappvisier, Einhakmontage mit montiertem ZF 'Hensoldt' Ziel-Dialyt 4, Abs.: Zielstachel, Höhenverstellung, Wechsellauf Snr. 120312, Hersteller Faukner, Klappvisier das sich beim Umschalten auf die Kugel aufstellt, Einhakmontage mit montiertem 'Kahles' H 4 x 60, Abs.: Plex, "

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      #319575 - 03/09/18 04:08 AM

very old Miller & Valentin Greiss Drilling 16/65 + 9,5x47R
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      #319705 - 09/09/18 01:54 PM

an Immanuel Meffert/suhl made Hubertus sxs in 12/65 and 11,15x60R
http://www.waffenhandelimspessart.de/ind...&Itemid=120

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      #320356 - 04/10/18 03:16 AM

Drilling 16 ga and 450 BPE 3,25"
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7120323#img






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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #320795 - 20/10/18 05:04 AM

if you looking for a real Tropendrilling ...
hammer drilling in 16 ga and 10,75x65R Gründig - the rimmed version of the 10,75x68 Mauser
"C. ULBRICHT. HOF-BÜCHSENMACHER DRESDEN." SN 991

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      #321751 - 21/11/18 04:47 AM

Novotny in Prag 16/65 double gun with combination gun barrels 16/65 + 9,3x72R by Lukas Cutic in Graz

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      #321753 - 21/11/18 04:57 AM

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      #322995 - 04/01/19 10:42 AM

This is always worth a few minutes of study from start to finish...

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      #323012 - 05/01/19 06:47 AM

yes, it have to be special to be safe here

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      #323016 - 05/01/19 09:32 AM

This was inspiration to get my Waldlaufer out for some time outdoors.

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      #323020 - 05/01/19 12:53 PM

Hammers and damascus, my favorite flavor!

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      #328791 - 25/05/19 02:39 AM

Adolphe Jansen/ Brussels and belgian court gunmaker, first address for anyone going to africa once
450 BPE and 12 ga, http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=7489044














https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/engraved-billhead-ad-jansen-489925725





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      #328809 - 25/05/19 05:09 PM

What a useful gun for a guy hunting for meat, whether feathered or fur and hair.

Single shotgun barrel for smaller game and feathers.

.450 BPE for plains and medium game.

Perhaps both barrels for big cats at need.

Useful gun.

Would be fun to use today as well, with nitro for black loads, for the same sort of game.

And as previously said, some of us just love hammers. Also the best original way to carry loaded chambers safely.

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      #334375 - 11/11/19 04:41 AM

Paul Reuss Hammer Drilling 16x16x10.75-65R
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...un_id=101295560





































"Three barrels, 16 ga side by side over 10.75x65r (444 Marlin), manufactured by master gunmaker Paul Reuss, Kronprinzenstr 3, Stuttgart, Germany with 27” Gussstahl (fluid steel) barrels, flat matted solid rib, fine bead front sight and tang-activated rear sight -- also the selector for rifle or shotgun mode. Chokes are M (.013) right, and F (.029) left.

Nicely figured English walnut stock, carved horn pistol grip cap, Euro beaded cheekpiece, fluted comb, vacant nickel-silver oval, and Deeley-release splinter forearm with small Schnabel tip, Checkering is classic point-pattern with combination of single and double borders. Buttplate is steel with widow’s peak.

Action is a back-action hammer drilling with old Purdey-style under lever, rebounding hammers, double triggers, percussion fences, active doll’s head third fastener and extended receiver tangs. Serial Number 13752 manufactured with modern steel for Nitro powder in 1898 (all three barrels carry German proof marks). Sling swivels on rifle barrel and rear of buttstock. Weight 6 lb. 10 oz……comes with original canvas and leather trimmed case with maker’s label.

Barrels and underlever are blue; receiver is casehardened with fine scroll engraving. Dimensions are 13 ¾” x 1 ½” x 2 3/8” with 1/8” cast off for the right hand shooter. The gun is all original and in exceptional all-around condition with great wood color built by the German master craftsman, Paul Reuss, a best gunmaker in Germany active from 1881 to 1901.

This old gun is a great example of best gun from yesteryear, yet with two or three lifetimes of use left, having survived in this pristine condition for its age. Just imagine taking this fellow out in the woods for quail, chucker, white tail or black bear; or better yet, wild boar, with its two 16 gauge barrels and the proven 444 Marlin rifle barrel underneath. It is a fun gun to shoot and one to instill pride of ownership.

About the cartridge: While it shoots 444 Marlin perfectly, according to Cartridges of the World by Frank C. Barnes, the full name of the original round is the 10.75x65r Collath and modern ammunition is not made for it. According to that book, that cartridge had a .424 bullet diameter. For the original cartridge loading, Bruce Mashburn of Chandler Texas as well as Champlin Firearms, Inc. in Enid Oklahoma are sources.

However, Dave and Dan Moore of William Larkin Moore, both told me that they had one of these old guns in this caliber and found they could shoot factory 444 Marlin ammunition in it with its .429” bullet diameter. They said for the Marlin cartridge the rim is thicker than the rim on the original Collath cartridge by a few thousandths, so there were some inconsistencies in extracting the fired cases. After measuring this bore, my gunsmith (Matthew Roberts of MNR Custom in Vermont, member of the American Custom Gunmakers Guild), and I were pleasantly surprised to find that it measures .430” so we found we had no problem with the Marlin cartridge on bore size. Matthew then took a few thousands off the extractor and found 444 Marlin factory cartridges work perfectly and with no extraction problems. Since Matthew’s test, I have fired a full box of Hornady 265 Grain FN bullets and the performance was as if those rounds were made for it. However, we did not alter the gun beyond the point of originality, the original 10.75x65r ammunition will still extract as well."

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      #334376 - 11/11/19 04:43 AM

BTW, 10,75x65R is the rimmed version of the 10,75x68 so this is a real "tropendrilling"

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      #334378 - 11/11/19 06:21 AM

Very nice gun in excellent condition, very tastefully finished in a lovely case. I would be happy to own that one for sure.

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      #334384 - 11/11/19 10:02 AM

Absolutely a top class gun/rifle, the understated engraving is my personal favourite, more like best English than continental

Many thanks for posting, without this site in particular we would not see (here in UK) such treasures

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      #334406 - 12/11/19 05:09 AM

I wonder how many years it takes to make that gun considering the tree has to grow around the action parts.




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      #334535 - 18/11/19 02:29 AM

drilling "Richard Fahner, Pforzheim" proofed 1936 in suhl , 20/65 and 6,5x52R
https://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7682225#img









Herold Drilling sold by Lorenz Kranz Lemgo, 16/65+ 9,3x72R
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drilling with sweden switchover, proofed 1942 ! in zella mehlis
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      #335258 - 09/12/19 04:44 AM

Eduard Kettner Köln & Suhl Drilling 16 +10,75x65R
https://www.naturabuy.fr/drilling-eduard-kettner-cal-16-16-10-6m-m-item-5070990.html



















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      #335262 - 09/12/19 07:03 AM

Shame those photos were blurry - it really is a very tastefully executed little package

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      #335268 - 09/12/19 09:46 AM

Quote:

So nice.
That round action is really neat.
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      #335996 - 31/12/19 05:11 PM

double rifle drilling 12ga and 7x65R
Suhl pre war sold by F.W. Vandrey Hamburg https://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7771173











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double rifle drilling 12ga and 7x65R
Suhl pre war sold by F.W. Vandrey Hamburg https://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7771173







Strange barrel placement.

Why on Earth were the barrels positioned like that? One rifle on the bottom, one on the side, and the shotgun on the other side?

Instead of the more usual s by s rifles with shotgun underneath.

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Quote:

Quote:

double rifle drilling 12ga and 7x65R
Suhl pre war sold by F.W. Vandrey Hamburg https://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7771173







Strange barrel placement.

Why on Earth were the barrels positioned like that? One rifle on the bottom, one on the side, and the shotgun on the other side?

Instead of the more usual s by s rifles with shotgun underneath.



Indeed. Also, the magazine is on the top if the stock. Aren't they usually on the bottom?

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      #336032 - 01/01/20 09:15 PM

yes, most are on the bottom but you see stock magazine on top from time to time

a common drilling have the rifle barrel on the bottom because the force working against the breech when fired is much greater

- when the the barrel is a rifle barrel
- when the rifle barrel is higher, that means further away from the locking mechanism

so they having the barrel firing first ( what means firing more often) on the bottom and the barrel fired the second time on top. its not that the action can not withstand it safely but any break action will come loose sooner or later and its only a question of how many rounds you fire with this gun. to make the action working as long as possible before you have to repair the locking mechanism you try to reduce the force against the breech as much as possible.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #336051 - 02/01/20 06:28 AM

This Drilling cofiguration was invented and initially protected by W.Collath in 1896. It allows to fit a practical 2 rifle – 1 shot barrel assembly into a standard drilling action bar that usually does not have enough space to allow for a fat shot barrel with thick walls that connects the top rifle barrels to the underlumps. After Collath's design protection expired, this design was copied by other German and Austrian gunmakers. Usually the second rifle barrel is at the top left to be served by the rear trigger. The bottom barrel, served by the front trigger, usually is used first and more often. A "left – right" bang-bang is needed less often, if the first shot is well aimed. The most often used first rifle barrel is deep in the action bar, close to hinge ad lockup. This reduces stress on the action. Such a barrel assembly may be fitted into any production line drilling action, without need for an extra-wide action bar. This helps to streamlie production and keeps cost down. In GDR times only double rifle drillings of such a configuration were available from "Merkel" and other Suhl makers. Disadvantages: Reloading is a tad slower as you have to reload the lower, less accessible barrel more often. Regulation is sligtly more difficult too as the rifle barrels are at a slant angle instead of horizontal or up-down.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: kuduae]
      #336065 - 02/01/20 05:30 PM

Thanks guys. Makes sense if it works to fit in an action size.

I am not sure what is meant by Magazine on top? For a break open gun? For the two German speakers I assume it is a translation issue.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: NitroX]
      #336072 - 02/01/20 10:08 PM

this means the stock magazine on top



when its more common to have it underneath of the stock



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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #336090 - 03/01/20 08:30 AM

Ah Ha! Thanks.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #337717 - 09/02/20 05:24 PM

belgian made Drilling Mod.94 Aug. Lebeau A. Liege. Kal. 450 Express- 12 / 65
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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #337718 - 09/02/20 06:23 PM

One of those came up for auction in Melbourne.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #338855 - 09/03/20 06:32 AM

https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/en/...;currentpos=173

S/S combination gun Carl Bock - Frankfurt, 11,15x60R (= Mauser M71); 16/65

70 cm barrels, engine-turned rib, open sights with additional folding leaf, extractor, doll's head, choked 1/2, breech ends silver inlaid with scroll surrounded cupids in hunting attire, gold inlaid ribbons, rounded action, flat fences, etched engraving with foliate scroll and black cocks on the left, red deer on the right, roe buck on tang, on the trigger guard a huntsman, disc-set strikers, double triggers with single set trigger in front, behind the trigger guard a horn manual cocking lever for both locks, engaged when press and to be relieved and decocked by a small latch , walnut stock, presumably restocked buttstock, fore-end with horn insert, Deeley latch, foliate scroll carving in place of the usual chequering, oval cheekpiece, with artificial horn elongated to 38 cm, German proof before 1939, with 72,5 cm S/S shotgun exchangeable barrels, #12031, choked 3/4 & 3/4, re-proof 1968 for 16/70, in a homemade plywood box with Styrofoam lining, both sets of barrels a little loose if fore-end is taken off, interesting for systems collectors, due to rust damage condition 4.













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S/S sidelock combination rifle Gebr. Adamy - Suhl, 8x57IRS; .222Rem.64 cm barrels, engine-turned rib, open sights, split extractor, bright action, side bolsters, sideclips, Greener crossbolt, back-action sidelocks, engraved with shaded rose and scroll, en-suite engraved breech ends, cocking indicators, intercepting sears, sliding tang safety, double triggers, straight grained walnut stock, pistol grip, oval cheekpiece, rubber recoil pad 37,5 cm, fore-end with Deeley latch, sling swivels, German claw mounted Zeiss Diatal-C 6x32, reticule Plex, year of manufacture 1991, marks of use on scope and buttstock, otherwise condition 2-3.











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O/U combination rifle Ziegenhahn & Sohn - Zella-Mehlis, .243 Win.; .17 HMR,

58,5 cm barrels, free floating lower rifle barrel adjustable at the muzzle, punched quarter rib, open sights, extractor, rounded, colour hardened, scalloped action, well shaped side bolsters, trigger plate lock, medium scroll engraved with gold inlaid rocailles, en-Suite engraved mounts, gold-washed single set trigger, manual cocking slide on tang, barrel selector on the left, gold inlaid family crest on trigger guard, strikingly grained walnut stock, fine chequering, fore-end with schnabel tip, Deeley latch, semi-pistol grip, oval cheekpiece, rubber recoil pad 37 cm, pivot mounted Swarovski Z6i 1,7-10x42, illuminated reticule Circle Dot, year of manufacture 2015, except scratched buttstock condition 2.













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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #338877 - 09/03/20 01:55 PM

That bottom rifle is a slim one indeed.
Nice wood, too.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #341727 - 05/06/20 05:03 AM

combination gun made for miller & greis in suhl

caliber is given with 16/65 and 10,5x73 , hmmmm, maybe the 400 Purdey 3"
https://egun.de/market/item.php?id=8720806

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #341735 - 05/06/20 10:48 AM

Incredible combo gun in its day.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #341742 - 05/06/20 07:21 PM

I don't normally like the Germanic carving, but I do like this one. Nicely done. Thanks for posting.



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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: NitroX]
      #341755 - 05/06/20 09:44 PM

She's a very fine piece to say the least - interesting calibers!

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: 93x64mm]
      #342973 - 03/07/20 12:09 AM

This one is in the upcoming Dorotheum, Vienna auction:
https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/6774777/

Bockbüchsflinte, Gebrüder Merkel - Suhl, mit Schrotwechsellauf Kal.: 12/70 und Lederkoffer, Kal.: 7 x 57R/12/70,


Very nice combination, pre WW2, I think, quite similar to the one I bought recently (and am still waiting to have it here in Switzerland....), but quite some more class in it:
note the better locking system with Kersten crossbolts plus underlugs
nice wood, probably bespoke fitting (the Krawatte or chinstrap hints to that)
loong barrels (68 cm / almost 27´´ for the Bockbüchsflinte
probably 75 cm / almost 30´´ for the extra shotgun barrels
on top of that the leather case....

I like these combos! But one is enough for me, so I´ll relax and just watch...
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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: fuhrmann]
      #342992 - 03/07/20 09:37 PM

Am I reading this right, starting at 450 Euros for this piece???
Bloody bargain if it is!

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      #343003 - 04/07/20 02:06 AM

I was wondering that as well, but the starting price was listed as 450,E

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: DarylS]
      #343023 - 05/07/20 12:25 AM

That starting price may be 50% of the estimated market price.
Still a low estimate...
I will check the final sales price.
Nevertheless, those older combination guns often sell for shabby money in the German egun website, same goes for drillings. Neither young hunters nor collectors want them.
I am quite sure they are higher valued in your countries!

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: fuhrmann]
      #343029 - 05/07/20 01:23 AM

Certainly are here.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: fuhrmann]
      #343077 - 06/07/20 11:46 AM

Quote:

That starting price may be 50% of the estimated market price.
Still a low estimate...
I will check the final sales price.
Nevertheless, those older combination guns often sell for shabby money in the German egun website, same goes for drillings. Neither young hunters nor collectors want them.
I am quite sure they are higher valued in your countries!



x5 to x10 here IMO.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: NitroX]
      #343089 - 06/07/20 11:39 PM

Interesting to read, I wonder if there is a lack of collector interest in combos across the board in EU. They are one of my favorites personally.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: themauserkid]
      #343103 - 07/07/20 05:30 AM

IMO not so expensive here in Finland: http://asejaretkeily.fi/?sivu=ase11





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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: Igorrock]
      #343104 - 07/07/20 05:48 AM

Definitely not bad for a two barrel set, I prefer pre 1945 guns personally but that is still good looking. I love the styling in Austria.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: 93x64mm]
      #343268 - 13/07/20 05:05 PM

Quote:

Am I reading this right, starting at 450 Euros for this piece???
Bloody bargain if it is!


Final price for that Merkel combo was 2048 Euro, including fee to the auction house and tax.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: fuhrmann]
      #343270 - 13/07/20 05:17 PM

Whoever got that one Fuhrmann - they got a BLOODY bargain!
Lucky buggers!!!

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: Igorrock]
      #345364 - 27/09/20 02:21 AM

for the combination gun a nice pre war sempert&krieghoff barrel insert 12 ga to 5,6x35R Vierling
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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #345370 - 27/09/20 06:45 AM

There are a lot of BRNO, CZ 584-03 Mod 2 CPL., CZ 584-03 Mod 3 CPL and Valmet combination guns, in 12 bore with .22 Savage Hipower - 5.6x52mm for $345 to about $495.00, cdn.
The Tikka M77K Combination Gun in 12GA over 5.6x52R run $550.00.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: NitroX]
      #348133 - 19/12/20 04:02 PM

schüler herkules drilling 16/70+ 7x65R
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=12808620













a nice little drilling by an unknown suhl gunmaker for the 6,5x52R ( 25/35 WIN - iirc)and 28 ga what you don't find every day
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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: NitroX]
      #349026 - 09/01/21 07:45 AM

a Ferlach made Drilling with two barrels for the 450/400 NE and one shotgun barrel for 20ga 3 1/4 " long shell https://www.naturabuy.fr/Express-drilling-Autrichien-item-5794806.html















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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #349045 - 09/01/21 05:11 PM

Sure are some interesting combos here.

I just received this garden variety Merkel 90, scoped with a 3.5-10 Leupold VX3i in a swing mount. It's 12/12/7X65R and can manage 3 shots in 1" at 100 yards with the barrels cooled down well between shots. These models have my favorite safety and selector setup.

It's a bit heavy. All I need now for it is a restored Panzer with a machine gun turret to mount it on. My Kreighoff Trumpf Dural in 16/16/7X65R with a Zeiss 1.5-6 in their LW three-claw mounts weighs 2.5 pounds less, relegating the Merkel to truck-gun status.







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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: luv2safari]
      #353184 - 08/05/21 04:29 AM

Vierling, Aug. Jung, Viernau, Thüringen
Kal. 8x57 IR, Kal. 5,6x35 R, Kal. 12/65, Nr. 6049,
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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #353195 - 08/05/21 08:34 AM

Unusual one Lancaster - I thought the 5.6x65R was a insert for the 8x57 barrel, when looking at the photos the left barrel is slightly smaller, so 3 individual calibre barrels!
Amazing - I suppose there is a German term for such an wonderful piece!

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: 93x64mm]
      #353196 - 08/05/21 08:38 AM

Quote:

Unusual one Lancaster - I thought the 5.6x65R was a insert for the 8x57 barrel, when looking at the photos the left barrel is slightly smaller, so 3 individual calibre barrels!
Amazing - I suppose there is a German term for such an wonderful piece!



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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: 9.3x57]
      #353208 - 08/05/21 01:21 PM

to be clear, this is a Vierling having four barrels

its like a common Drilling, two 12ga barrels over 8x57IR and a little 5,6x35R Vierling barrel in the upper barrel rib or in the center between the big barrels

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      #353211 - 08/05/21 01:28 PM

Now THAT is cool. .22 Hornet in the upper rib.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: DarylS]
      #354451 - 20/06/21 09:14 PM

A Bockbüchsflinte by Glanznig - Ferlach at it´s best!
Interesting rifle caliber - a wildcat 7.62x74R. And a 16 ga shotgun barrel
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=14423193

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      #354474 - 21/06/21 09:38 AM

Wow! That's some pretty serious engraving right there.

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      #354475 - 21/06/21 10:11 AM

Quote:

Wow! That's some pretty serious engraving right there.

again..... WOW!!



Not wrong there........beautiful piece (& calibres to boot as well)!

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      #356162 - 19/08/21 05:50 AM

Haetje Berlin Drilling 12 ga +11mm rifle caliber ( maybe 11mm Mauser)
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      #356560 - 05/09/21 02:05 AM

J.J. Reeb, Bonn combination gun 16 ga + 11,15x60r with extra double gun barrels
https://www.gebrauchtwaffen-spezialist.d...echsellauf.html















Joh. Kaletzky K .K. Österr. & Hahnbockbüchsflinte O/U 24 ga + 7x72R
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      #356569 - 05/09/21 10:06 AM

Quote:

J.J. Reeb, Bonn combination gun 16 ga + 11,15x60r with extra double gun barrels
https://www.gebrauchtwaffen-spezialist.d...echsellauf.html



Joh. Kaletzky K .K. Österr. & Hahnbockbüchsflinte O/U 24 ga + 7x72R
https://www.gebrauchtwaffen-spezialist.d...echsflinte.html

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3000 and 4000 Euros respectively. More than I thought might be in Germany. Liked these old vintage guns, pretty examples of some old cartridge choices. One is a 24 guage, I imagine that is quite rarer to load for? The rifle cartridges as well sound older and harder to feed.

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      #356584 - 05/09/21 04:12 PM

the 7x72R is one of the oldest Wilhelm Brenneke developments. in fact a 9,3x72R case necked down to 7 mm, looks like a real small bore nitro express cartridge http://old.municion.org/7mm/7x72R.htm

you can use 9,3x72R brass and modern 7 mm bullets for reloading.

the 24 ga is still available by FIOCCHI https://fiocchi.com/en/catalog/your-passion/hunting.html?animals=6362&gauge=6214

and its not expensive at all but cost similar to more common caliber. I know it because there is also a 24 ga hammergun in the safe. of course, I have 24 ga magtech brass in case it would dry up once.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: Marrakai]
      #365107 - 01/05/22 04:58 AM

stiegele combination gun, 16 ga +10x47R https://auctionet.com/de/2138980-kombi-d...he-nr-se2307932



















































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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #365112 - 01/05/22 07:43 AM

Way over the top for my tastes, but you have to admire the workmanship, just superb!
The carvings & engravings alone would have taken hundreds of hours alone
Has some surprising details, a Damascus shot barrel & pop up peep sight, let alone a horn operating handle & grip as well.
I wonder when it was made Lancaster?

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      #365132 - 02/05/22 02:54 AM

by the cartridge I would say between 1890 and 1900

iirc this was the timeframe when stiegele in münchen, bavarian court gunmaker, made the very first drillings.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #368298 - 13/08/22 11:29 PM

Collath style drilling but by Jung/Suhl 16 ga +8x72R with a short rifle barrel
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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #368317 - 14/08/22 07:13 AM

I have to ask Lancaster!
Is the little lever arrangement under the antler grip the trigger for the rifle barrel, or just for setting the firing pin spring for it?

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      #368328 - 14/08/22 02:59 PM

this is a manuel cocking action, thinking the little lever under the grip is for uncock the action

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      #368344 - 14/08/22 08:34 PM

Apparently Friedrich Jung, Suhl, combined the Teschner/Collath breech action with the triggerplate lockwork of the Feist, Meffert “Hubertus Safety Gun". Here is a photo of my “Hubertus” double lockwork, uncocked and on “Safe”.

It works this way: The hammers are brought back to the full cock position by moving the opening lever under the foreend. To put the gun on “fire”, you press the grip lever up until it is caught by the catch behind. This puts tension on the mainspring. Now the gun works like any other hammerless. Opening the breech recocks the lock and you may continue shooting without further movements.
To put the gun on “safe” you release the catch behind the grip lever. The lever snaps down, relieving the tension of the main spring. This also activates a slide on the triggerplate, blocking the sear and rebounding the hammer off the firing pin. Now the gun may be carried fully loaded, but without tension of the mainspring and with all other lockparts blocked. The barrel selector switch of this drilling is a slide on the top strap like as on most conventional drillings.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: kuduae]
      #368345 - 14/08/22 09:06 PM

Thank you Kuduae & Lancaster!
Marvellously clever bit of engineering really - very smart men to work this out in their minds.

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      #368357 - 15/08/22 06:25 AM

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Marvellously clever bit of engineering really - very smart men to work this out in their minds.


The basic “Hubertus Safety Gun” was invented by the forester Franz Feist of Sommerschenburg and protected by the DRPatent No. 7142 in 1879. Feist assigned his patent to Immanuel Meffert, Suhl, who made the guns to Feist’s design. The photo shows the locks of a very early Meffert “Hubertus” gun, still very close to Feist’s original design, in the fully cocked and “fire” mode:

In 1893 Meffert improved the action. He designed the U-shaped mainspring shown above, protected the design change by DRGM Nr. 32200 and used the design at least until WW1.
By 1900 both protections were expired. So F. Jung was free to use the Feist – Meffert lockwork. The 8x72R cartridge was developed by Wilhelm Brenneke, Leipzig, in1898. That Jung drilling most likely dates to 1910 – 14 imho.

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      #368378 - 15/08/22 05:37 PM

another interesting feature is the short rifle barrel. it was a little fashion for some time before the war to made drillings lighter.

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      #368379 - 15/08/22 05:52 PM

Interesting works.

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      #368396 - 15/08/22 09:35 PM

My Thieme & Schlegelmilch has the rifle barrel shorter than the shotgun tubes. Best guess for it is around 1905.

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      #368403 - 16/08/22 04:03 AM

I see this also in this time frame. it was a short lived fashion and I think most hunter don't realy like this and were willing to accept the weight of a common rifle barrel.

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      #368560 - 23/08/22 04:50 PM

first Vierling for a rimless rifle cartridge I see, Borovnik in Ferlach 16ga + 308 Win +22 hornet
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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #368568 - 23/08/22 09:58 PM

Quote:

I see this also in this time frame. it was a short lived fashion and I think most hunter don't realy like this and were willing to accept the weight of a common rifle barrel.




It's the only drilling I own in that configuration and I don't mind it, EXCEPT; I prefer to shoot cast bullets in all my rifles that will accurately shoot them. My T&S will shoot them accurately but, it also lead plates the bottom of the shotgun barrels. It took me an hour or so to get the lead off the bottom of the shotgun barrels first time I tried cast bullets. No big thing, I just shoot jacketed bullets in it.

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      #369320 - 18/09/22 01:51 AM

Sauer & Sohn hammer drilling 16 ga + 10,75x52R Gründig
sold by J. Nikitits in Constantinopel
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      #369321 - 18/09/22 01:56 AM

What's the second lever for?

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      #369326 - 18/09/22 02:20 AM

probably for cocking the rifle barrel

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: NitroX]
      #369327 - 18/09/22 04:08 AM

Quote:

What's the second lever for?


A Sauer & Sohn, Suhl, hammer drilling Model XX. Made about 1890 according to serial number and lack of official German proofmarks. The “wild man” was a S&S trademark, while that eagle and the crowns were their private quality marks.
It is of common German hammer drilling design. The “Serpent” side lever is the action opening lever. The small top lever is the barrel selector. Pushing it over to the left moves a transfer bar in between the breast of the right hammer and the firing pin of the rifle barrel, barely visible in the 6th photo. At the same time that transfer bar blocks the hammer nose from hitting the right shot barrel firing pin.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: kuduae]
      #369330 - 18/09/22 06:17 AM

Very clever piece of lock work isn't it!
Marvellously put together a drilling when you think about it!

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      #369337 - 18/09/22 04:37 PM

sxs pinfire combination gun by sherping/hanover 16 ga + 24 ga rifle cartridge
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      #369350 - 18/09/22 09:57 PM

Now that is really something!
Lovingly restored, just as good as the day it come off the factory floor - beautiful workmanship!
But pinfire cartridge - how does one get them or even possibly make those?

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      #369352 - 18/09/22 10:09 PM

with magtech brass and a lathe its not that problem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUgmYmxiVg

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      #369360 - 19/09/22 02:22 AM

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Now that is really something!
Lovingly restored, just as good as the day it come off the factory floor - beautiful workmanship!
But pinfire cartridge - how does one get them or even possibly make those?



I doubt it's a restoration

As for the cartridge cases, it is not a great obstacle at all

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      #369369 - 19/09/22 05:54 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Now that is really something!
Lovingly restored, just as good as the day it come off the factory floor - beautiful workmanship!
But pinfire cartridge - how does one get them or even possibly make those?



I doubt it's a restoration

As for the cartridge cases, it is not a great obstacle at all



If its not a restoration, then it has been a safe queen for a very long time then, the owner unable to find cartridge just let it sit, still lovingly looked after if it was.

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      #369370 - 19/09/22 06:32 AM

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If its not a restoration, then it has been a safe queen for a very long time then, the owner unable to find cartridge just let it sit



From time to time these come up like this

As a transitional cartridge gun, especially one featuring the pinfire rifle barrel, the rapid evolution to central fire left some very clean examples like this sitting unused as the newer and easier to manage system swept the marketplace

Still there's the missing gear for this one
A case and tools would definitely complete the picture, even more so if there was a mould for the rifle barrel

As it sits, it's a time capsule
Getting one like this into service isn't terribly difficult for someone with determination, skills, and tooling

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: tinker]
      #370381 - 16/10/22 07:17 PM

Holland &Holland cape gun in 12 ga and 500 BPE, 2900 british pounds are not to much
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      #370647 - 24/10/22 02:00 PM

https://greatnorthgunco.ca/product/schonland-wormsl-drilling-16-16-7x57r/

Don’t know anything about the maker but the gun appears well made to my untrained eyes. Pretty good deal for around here

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      #370650 - 24/10/22 02:11 PM

L2,899.99 is $4,490.28. No, I would say that price is not too much for this gun, not by a long shot.
The chambers and bores need a bit of work, but nothing out of range.

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      #370892 - 30/10/22 01:14 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0brxkyOaoo

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      #370895 - 30/10/22 04:20 AM

Cool!

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      #371090 - 05/11/22 07:16 AM

a sporterized Mannlicher M 95 in 8x50R with a shotgun barrel under the rifle barrel
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      #371091 - 05/11/22 07:27 AM

Unusual piece there Lancaster!

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      #371102 - 05/11/22 09:42 AM

Sure is.

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      #373134 - 15/01/23 06:03 AM

Borovnik postwar o/u Bockbüchsflinte with hammers in 20/70 and 7x57R
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      #373138 - 15/01/23 07:40 AM

I looked at this & thought that there was something that just didn't look right here!
The shape of the hammers - they're flat, more like a striker really.
Unusual piece, part old, part new, interesting all the same.
Lovely piece to show Lancaster, thanks for that.

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      #375535 - 25/03/23 09:35 PM

16 ga +11mm combination gun
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      #375543 - 26/03/23 03:34 AM

Nice SxS.

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      #375560 - 26/03/23 07:37 AM

Lovely 'Cape Gun' Lancaster!
Would be still a great gun to use on all continental game.

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      #375561 - 26/03/23 07:39 AM

Yeah - fun gun to shoot - all BP loads, of course, just because.

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belgian made Drilling in 12ga and 10,75x52R Gründig by Isidore Benand https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19104384











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      #378772 - 20/08/23 04:25 AM

A. Haetke Berlin combination gun in 16 ga + 11,4x53(?) with additional 16 ga double gun barrels https://auctionet.com/de/2832484-a-haetge-berlin-kombi-kal-16-11-4x53-inkl-pipset-kal-16-1308

















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      #380952 - 05/12/23 11:24 PM

Schrader combination gun 16 ga+ 9,3x82R with a short rifle barrel
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19380122
shotgun barrel 70 cm , rifle barrel only 51 cm

this was an idea before the great war that never realy catch on. they realise it was possible to made the rifle barrel shorter for safe weight with a similar velocity, anyway enough for hunting the common game but most people don't like it for several reasons.



























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      #380953 - 06/12/23 12:46 AM

As usual, lancaster bring home the bacon!

What an interesting gun!

And the first time I've seen a stubby rifle barrel mated w/ a longer shotgun tube.

I'm familiar w/ 9.3x72R & 9.3x57R/.360 but not the 82mm version. May I assume the "standard" 192 grain bullet is jogging along at around the same 2000 fps as the 72 version?

This would put the thing in the roe deer/fox/hare category*?

* Tho the gun savvy Nansen equipped himself and Johansen on their amazing "Farthest North" expedition w/ x57R/.360's and used them effectively on Polar Bear and walrus! His combination guns being 20 ga - 9.3x57R/.360...a genius choice really, allowing a large amount of ammo to be carried on their sleds. He lost his .577 over the side of a small boat early in the expedition!

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      #380963 - 06/12/23 03:46 AM

Those ballistics sound familiar to me for the 72mm case, Rod. Not sure about the 9.3x57R version though.

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      #380967 - 06/12/23 04:02 AM

the old 360BPE with a 57 mm long case was the original, first german modification was 9,3x72R to get more black powder into the cartridge. the 9,3x82R was another update to get 1 gramm BP more.
when smokless powder arive the longer case was obsolete, also the old 57 mm long case could be loaded higher with nitro than the 82 mm case with BP( in theory) but they got all more less nitro for black powder loads.
the 9,3x82R still survive because there were a lot of old combination gun still in use.

the short rifle barrel was a strange idea. see once a drilling with two common shotgun barrels and a rifle barrel underneath. the rifle barrel was just a little bit longer than the stock and you were able to shoot with the drilling hold your hand on the muzzle of the rifle barrel.
people don't thought such a ticking time bomb was worth to have maybe 1 pound less.

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      #380968 - 06/12/23 04:15 AM

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* Tho the gun savvy Nansen equipped himself and Johansen on their amazing "Farthest North" expedition w/ x57R/.360's and used them effectively on Polar Bear and walrus! His combination guns being 20 ga - 9.3x57R/.360...a genius choice really, allowing a large amount of ammo to be carried on their sleds. He lost his .577 over the side of a small boat early in the expedition!



the space/weight of this little cartridges could be the main reason to select this calibers for a expedition. iirc, the eskimo on greenland shoot the polar bears with .222 rem at point blank range (10-15 meter)on the point because the bear shows no fear and clome close. you have to trust rifle and ammo for such a hunt, of course.

there were other versions 9,3x70R , 9,3x80R, the 9,3x72R had iirc, 6 different but very close versions alone before the cartridge was normalised. the old 9,3x57R 360, the german version of the british original, became than obscure because the 9,3x72R ruled. it is one of the cartridges with an own name "Försterpatrone" forester cartridge because it was the common rifle cartridge for the not so expensive drilling of the forester who had more a tool than a best gun.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
      #380970 - 06/12/23 04:24 AM

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you were able to shoot with the drilling hold your hand on the muzzle of the rifle barrel.
people don't thought such a ticking time bomb was worth to have maybe 1 pound less.



Ah ha!!

Very good point & a concern worthy of consideration!!

FWIW: Here just north of me at a machinegun shoot a fellow shooting a MAC-9 (very short bbl) slipped his hand over the muzzle as he fired a burst and shot his fingers off.



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      #383085 - 05/03/24 05:08 AM

HVA Mod 52B Kaliber 16/12,7x44R https://auctionet.com/de/3338081-hva-mod-52b-kaliber-16-12-7x44r-ref-nein-123178




belgian combination gun 16/450 Express (11,4 mm)https://auctionet.com/de/3269009-hersteller-kal-16-11-4-450-express-72440-se2046710
could be a .450 BPE


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