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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: 9.3x57]
#380963 - 06/12/23 03:46 AM

Those ballistics sound familiar to me for the 72mm case, Rod. Not sure about the 9.3x57R version though.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: 9.3x57]
#380967 - 06/12/23 04:02 AM

the old 360BPE with a 57 mm long case was the original, first german modification was 9,3x72R to get more black powder into the cartridge. the 9,3x82R was another update to get 1 gramm BP more.
when smokless powder arive the longer case was obsolete, also the old 57 mm long case could be loaded higher with nitro than the 82 mm case with BP( in theory) but they got all more less nitro for black powder loads.
the 9,3x82R still survive because there were a lot of old combination gun still in use.

the short rifle barrel was a strange idea. see once a drilling with two common shotgun barrels and a rifle barrel underneath. the rifle barrel was just a little bit longer than the stock and you were able to shoot with the drilling hold your hand on the muzzle of the rifle barrel.
people don't thought such a ticking time bomb was worth to have maybe 1 pound less.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: 9.3x57]
#380968 - 06/12/23 04:15 AM

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* Tho the gun savvy Nansen equipped himself and Johansen on their amazing "Farthest North" expedition w/ x57R/.360's and used them effectively on Polar Bear and walrus! His combination guns being 20 ga - 9.3x57R/.360...a genius choice really, allowing a large amount of ammo to be carried on their sleds. He lost his .577 over the side of a small boat early in the expedition!

the space/weight of this little cartridges could be the main reason to select this calibers for a expedition. iirc, the eskimo on greenland shoot the polar bears with .222 rem at point blank range (10-15 meter)on the point because the bear shows no fear and clome close. you have to trust rifle and ammo for such a hunt, of course.

there were other versions 9,3x70R , 9,3x80R, the 9,3x72R had iirc, 6 different but very close versions alone before the cartridge was normalised. the old 9,3x57R 360, the german version of the british original, became than obscure because the 9,3x72R ruled. it is one of the cartridges with an own name "Försterpatrone" forester cartridge because it was the common rifle cartridge for the not so expensive drilling of the forester who had more a tool than a best gun.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: lancaster]
#380970 - 06/12/23 04:24 AM

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you were able to shoot with the drilling hold your hand on the muzzle of the rifle barrel.
people don't thought such a ticking time bomb was worth to have maybe 1 pound less.

Ah ha!!

Very good point & a concern worthy of consideration!!

FWIW: Here just north of me at a machinegun shoot a fellow shooting a MAC-9 (very short bbl) slipped his hand over the muzzle as he fired a burst and shot his fingers off.

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Re: Combination Gun of the Week [Re: 9.3x57]
#383085 - 05/03/24 05:08 AM

HVA Mod 52B Kaliber 16/12,7x44R https://auctionet.com/de/3338081-hva-mod-52b-kaliber-16-12-7x44r-ref-nein-123178

belgian combination gun 16/450 Express (11,4 mm)https://auctionet.com/de/3269009-hersteller-kal-16-11-4-450-express-72440-se2046710
could be a .450 BPE

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