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alexbeer
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Another No.1, but what Calibre?
      #233997 - 11/08/13 06:55 AM

Hello all,

About 12 months ago I was fortunate enough to obtain another Ruger No.1 action in really good condition.

As I currently have No.1’s in 222Rem, 7x57, 375H&H, 450NE and 500NE, my quandary is what caliber do I build this one in?

I like casting and shooting lead bullets, so should I build something like a 358 Winchester or a 45/70?

I have always liked the idea of a 338/06, even before it became a factory cartridge, but what will it do that my 375H&H won’t.

Or, having recently gained access to a magnificent Fallow Deer hunting property where some longer range shots could be called for, perhaps building something like a 300H&H Magnum may be in order (although I am quite confident out to 400 odd yards with my 7x57)

I like the classic nitro express caliber’s too. Maybe I should build a nice “little” 400/350

So Ladies and Gentlemen, if you were in this position, what caliber would you choose, and why?

Let your imaginations run free, don't hold back

Best
ALEX

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: alexbeer]
      #233998 - 11/08/13 07:32 AM

Alex; Sorry I can't help you there, but after owning 7 #1's in various calibers at the same time. And having sold them all. (the 7x57 was the last to go) I just recently purchased a #1 in 9.3X74R And am so far very happy with it. Al

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Al333]
      #234005 - 11/08/13 10:25 AM

318 WR

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: sbs470]
      #234008 - 11/08/13 12:33 PM

35 Whelen

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: relics6165]
      #234011 - 11/08/13 02:15 PM

Thanks for the suggestions gentlemen, please keep the posts comming

BUT,,,, why do you suggest the calibre you have choosen? That is very interesting as well.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: alexbeer]
      #234016 - 11/08/13 03:06 PM

For easy accuracy with cast bullets, there is hardly a better choice than a .45/70, or perhaps a .45 2.4" (.45/90)

With already having the .450 Nitro, you really don't need a high powered .458, ie; case longer than 2.1" - considering the .450 Nitro should shoot cast almost as well as a .45/70 - however the .358 Winchester has considerable merit for the lead bullets.

You could make a plinking,. cast bullet rifle as I did, using a shortened .45/70 case, ie: 1.9" for what amounts to a .45/60 Winchester, however using any bullet weight from 260gr. to 525gr. Mine, using a GM 18" bl. in a Sharps M74 action (re-shaped M68) is VERY accurate with both cast 506gr. and 525gr. as well as jacketed 405's @ 1,860fps. Of course in a strong action the 350 Speer could be pushed easily to 2,200fps if you wanted to, in that short .45 case.

So - my choice would be a 'held-back .45/70 reamer or a .358.

That 280gr. RN Lyman bullet is calling me in this venture, or one of the other makers of heavy bullets in that calibre. It would be a fun gun to shot with go-pow loads and with jacketed 200's or 225gr. Sierras, a terrific pig or Sambar rifle for out to 300yards or so.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: DarylS]
      #234018 - 11/08/13 03:21 PM

I have the same gap in my armoury. Between 7x57 and 9.3x62

Try .318WR or .333 Jeffery Flanged.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: alexbeer]
      #234022 - 11/08/13 03:43 PM

You say you "like casting and shooting lead bullets". So, if you want something to cast for, I would like to suggest the .400H&H. It uses the same bullets that the .405 Winchester and .450-400 use. It achieves good velocity without violent recoil. And you can run everything through it from Woodleigh solids to gas checked lead, to paper-patched. It is easy to load for and works well with just about anything one can stuff into it. Additionally, you can fire-form brass from .300H&H. It is a fantastic round.

Left: 300H&H, 375H&H, 400H&H with 300gr and 400gr bullets and a 430gr paper-patched lead.
Right: Factory loaded 400H&H and a case fire-formed from .300H&H.
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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Grenadier]
      #234029 - 11/08/13 05:11 PM

ALEX,
you are in a right royal bind!
However if I was to choose for a "African plains' rifle then perhaps .308 Norma Magnum?
This is a step up from the classic calibre of the 7x57mm but less than Group 1 of the .375H&H.
Different from all the .300 Winchesters / Wetherbys etc, better to have something different as your list is not the common types (.222 Rem for starters!)
There are still plenty of components for casting & reloading either for reduced loads or full throttle loads in .30 cal range.
But.....
If you chose say a .45/70, this could be used for the normal black powder cartridge BGR event.
As this uses the same projectiles as the .450NE, casting is then an easier option as you already (may)have(most probably) moulds for the .450 - or you could double up this way for both if you don't!
I use my .500NE for both group 3 & BP express events in BGR this way - but cast PP's only for the BP event.
Either way its a tough call for you, but it's your decision as to what you will use it for/on.
A tradesman always uses the 'right' tool for the job, yes sometimes the only one available that you have may be a little too big or too small for that specific need; but is there anything wrong with building up the 'toolbox'? I very much doubt one bloke (or lady) here would argue against that if being in you predicament!
Lucky bugger
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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: alexbeer]
      #234031 - 11/08/13 05:58 PM

Alex I am a devotee of the 358 calibre so would sugest, in keeping with tradtion, a 350Rigby. It will handle any game in Aust with the right bullet.

If that doesn't float your boat and you want something that can thump hard in close or way out then go the 416 Rigby. Trailboss is good in the 416 with cast bullets as is AR2206H.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Rule303]
      #234033 - 11/08/13 06:33 PM

Since you already got lots of calibres to cast for (7x57, 375H&H, 450NE and 500NE) I would suggest 308 Norma magnum or 338 Blaser magnum - for long the loonger shots.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Yochanan]
      #234043 - 11/08/13 11:01 PM

What's wrong with good ol' .303?
Doug

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: gungadoug]
      #234044 - 11/08/13 11:14 PM

Something with a bit more reach would fit in the line up as Yochanan suggests - a .300 Weatherby / .300 H&H perhaps, I have a #1 in a Weatherby and like it. FWIW --- John

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: John303]
      #234045 - 11/08/13 11:49 PM

I do love the look of that .333 Jeffrey !

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: alexbeer]
      #234049 - 12/08/13 12:30 AM

Quote:

Or, having recently gained access to a magnificent Fallow Deer hunting property where some longer range shots could be called for, perhaps building something like a 300H&H Magnum may be in order (although I am quite confident out to 400 odd yards with my 7x57)

I like the classic nitro express caliber’s too. Maybe I should build a nice “little” 400/350



.300 H&H to match your .375.

Nice long barrels to get the maximum out of the cartridge.

I always like the medium and bigger bore NE's in a good single shot too.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: NitroX]
      #234054 - 12/08/13 12:59 AM

My suggestion would be the 7X65R Brenneke, or should you like a little greater performance, the 7X75R SE vom Hofe.

Using a No. 1, you would not be limited to the loads recommended for break action guns, such as double rifles and drillings, so you could use the hotter loads recommended for the 7X64 in the 7X65R, and safely exceeed the lower pressure loads recommended for the 7X75R. A 26" barrel to maximize the effect of a rather low expansion ratio would not be a handicap in a single shot.

In both cases, the range limitations of your 7X57 would be extended appreciably, and you would not have to deal with the increased recoil of a .30 caliber or larger Magnum cartridge. Even though the Ruger rimless extractor works reliably, I always prefer a rimmed cartridge in a single shot, if one is available.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: xausa]
      #234055 - 12/08/13 01:19 AM

I agree that the 7X65R is a logical choice for long shots at Fallow Deer but you already have a 7mm rifle. Could open it up to .30cal and have something similar to a 30 Super or 30'06 flanged.
The 400/350 Rigby No.2 is appealing too.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Huvius]
      #234057 - 12/08/13 01:34 AM

Or... a .257 Weatherby to fill the gap between .222 and 7mm

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Grenadier]
      #234071 - 12/08/13 07:22 AM

How about Herman Goerings favorite round 8x75RS. Brass is available from Bertam and dies are available from Simplex. An interesting cartridge which fills the gap. It is the perfect stalking rifle calibre.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: gungadoug]
      #234072 - 12/08/13 07:32 AM

Quote:

What's wrong with good ol' .303?
Doug



I had the same thought after posting ...

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: tophet1]
      #234075 - 12/08/13 08:41 AM

I would have to agree, 303 would be my choice. Can't get more classic.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Claydog]
      #234101 - 12/08/13 04:40 PM

.358 Norma mag,it really is an undervalued calibre..Load it from .180`s for as flat as can be or .250s to rival the 375H+H.It is a hammer!

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Claydog]
      #234108 - 12/08/13 07:56 PM

Quote:

I would have to agree, 303 would be my choice. Can't get more classic.



To true.

Also thought of the 8X68s for reaching out there.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: alexbeer]
      #234109 - 12/08/13 08:11 PM

Realistically I would say the good old 300 H&H Flanged would fit the gap.
You can match the velocities of the 30-06 and use it for all deer sized game, hogs etc.
And it fits the 220 gr bullet nicely.

It is my pet caliber for single shots.

CZ

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: CZ_hunter]
      #234143 - 13/08/13 07:23 AM

Thank you for all, some excellent cartridges and ideas there and plenty of food for thought. Your suggestions are much appreciated.

I guess I don't really need another rifle for cast bullets, my 375H&H is a great shooter with 265 grain FNGC's at 1575fps, and so are both the 450 and 500 (and mild too),shooting cast bullets (480 grain RNGC in the 450 & 515 grain FNPB in the 500) at around 1700 fps.

CZ, interesting you should mention the 300H&H Flanged Magnum, I have been thinking more and more along the same sort of lines, and I actually have a brand new Dave Manson 300H&H Flanged finisher reamer in the drawer too. And there’s nothing wrong with the belted version either for that matter (Nitrox), both classic cartridges and very useful....

I like the 7x65 and the 358 Norma but they are quite close to what I already have. Quite fond of the idea of a 303 as well, wonderful old cartridge but in the field over here it won’t really be much different than my 7x57.

The 257 Weatherby sounds like fun, although I’ve never been one for speed, the shell does have a good following. I have a friend here who swears by it, and from my limited observation, it certainly zaps Fallow Deer.

Isn’t this fun!

Really interesting and enjoyable to hear other peoples thoughts.

Any more??

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