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Buchsemann
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Not sure about what to think about this one
      #233623 - 06/08/13 01:41 PM

Anybody else notice this? I know it's Belgian and chambered for what the seller said is the .303 Savage (seems odd), perhaps not the most sought after cup of meat, but it's also a pre-WW2 high condition ejector DR. I'm thinking somebody got a good deal, that is of course unless I'm missing something? Is this a case of a nice DR flying under the radar again and only two noticed? Seems it wasn't that long ago that a Westley Richards .375 with 16" barrels slipped by a few of us as well. Should I be saying "Dang!" again? I know, it's not a WR but still.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=355924734

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: Buchsemann]
      #233624 - 06/08/13 01:46 PM


Yes, I would say slipped under the radar.

That gun is almost a dead ringer for a mates Simpson 318WR.


For 3k, 303 Savage so not that difficult to load for,
my oath it was worth it.

Just my HO

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233625 - 06/08/13 02:14 PM

I think it is a 1949 date code.

Somebody can correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: CptCurl]
      #233626 - 06/08/13 02:19 PM


A light double for $3,000.

Great pig gun here in Aus and even a Buffalo / Scrub Bull / Deer gun if you got it shooting well with back up.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233630 - 06/08/13 04:21 PM

Would make a nice lamp stand, but admit it was cheap.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: Nordmann]
      #233631 - 06/08/13 04:30 PM

Nordmann

Not everyone wants or can afford a Holland, Purdey.

That gun there is a perfect, cheap Pig / Scrub gun for Aus
and probably deer gun for the UK / US.

I'd buy it, only because my mate had a 318WR by Simpson that was a ripper hunting gun and it would mean we could go on a
double 318WR hunt instead of one double in 318WR and one bolt gun in 318WR.

Sometimes there is more to double rifles than H&H, Purdey, Rigby etc !!!




Edited by 500Nitro (06/08/13 05:18 PM)

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233633 - 06/08/13 04:58 PM

So your saying I can't have my own opinion now?

It's certainly not perfect, hence the price!

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: Nordmann]
      #233634 - 06/08/13 05:02 PM

I would buy it because it would nice handy hunting rifle. Would be difficult to convert to a useable lamp stand.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: Claydog]
      #233639 - 06/08/13 06:36 PM

Assuming there is nothing substantially wrong with it, someone got a real bargain on a double hunting rifle. A price from about ten to twenty years ago.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: NitroX]
      #233649 - 06/08/13 09:21 PM

I feel sure in a week or two when he has it in hand we will hear a full report from Buckstix about his new toy.

I'm really surprised it would be chambered in .303 Savage. I guess the seller knows, but wouldn't it be wonderful if it turns out to be .303 Brit.? Mistakes like that are not impossible. The stamp clearly says .303, but what else it says is left to question. If I had bought that rifle I wouldn't run out and buy .303 Savage dies until I confirmed the chamber. I am particularly fond of doubles chambered in .303 Brit.

Buckstix, what say ye? Congratulations, man! It looks like the double rifle bug has you by the ear.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: CptCurl]
      #233650 - 06/08/13 09:25 PM

It looks like a pretty good build, with ejectors and a hidden third fastener. The Belgians have made some good double rifles.

Admittedly not a Purdey or Holland, but at $3k there's a lot of rifle there to play with.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: CptCurl]
      #233651 - 06/08/13 09:27 PM

500N,

You shoot buffalo with a .30-30 (equivalent)?

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: CptCurl]
      #233655 - 06/08/13 10:28 PM

If it is a .303 brit what a bargain !

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: Nordmann]
      #233656 - 06/08/13 10:38 PM

Quote:

Would make a nice lamp stand, but admit it was cheap.



Nordmann, unless it has something seriously wrong with it how can you say that ? That would make a great monteria gun and a good allround rifle out to 150 yds or so if you can use irons at that range and priced at GBP equiv 2k !! Lamp stand indeed ?! I like nice guns as much as the next man but my favourite shotgun is a Model 12 winchester pump built in 1949 and as long as I´m alive it won´t be going anywhere, best, Mike

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #233658 - 07/08/13 12:08 AM

"my favourite shotgun is a Model 12 winchester pump built in 1949"

Well Mike, mine is my 28 gauge 0/U Boss & Co made 1920, so I guess we are not on the same page. I could never get excited about a mass produced gun made by a company that cant even get the screws to line up.

I understand that to someone the cheap Belgian rifle would perhaps be the best gun in the world, but its not for me, sorry. Furthermore I don't particularly like that caliber, its hard to get and Im not a reloader.

It has nothing to do with the price because I wouldn't want to own it for $1000!

The next time I get offered something like this perhaps I should send you the details, and let you fill up your gun case.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: CptCurl]
      #233661 - 07/08/13 01:45 AM

Quote:

500N,
You shoot buffalo with a .30-30 (equivalent)?
Curl




Curl

If it was in my hands at the time and nothing else was available, yes, but only because I know I could.

As a choice I would not take it out after buffalo but if i was hunting pigs only and came across one, yes.

Some people do use the odd 30-30, I wouldn't if new but
knowing I could slip a bullet or two exactly where I wanted,
then yes I would.

Would be nice to have back up though

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: Nordmann]
      #233666 - 07/08/13 02:26 AM

Quote:

I could never get excited about a mass produced gun made by a company that cant even get the screws to line up.




So, I guess Winchesters, Henrys and Colts which outsell Hollands, Purdeys and Boss in price and volume don't excite you? Guess you are not as much a salesman as I thought!
JUST STIRRING THE POT!

I am LESS excited in this gun as I am in best British guns but can still recognize a good deal.

Timed screws are simply an indicator of time spent on the gun, not the skill of the maker. They are purely cosmetic and not difficult to do - just take time.
The screws on this gun look like they are in time anyway. Not sure what you are referring to.

There are many aspects of a best gun which add zero to its longevity or its accuracy. It is very possible that this gun shoots as well as any other double. I wouldn't doubt it a bit.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: Huvius]
      #233672 - 07/08/13 04:02 AM

Wow, potentially awesome gun for the money,

I have long been a big fan of Belgian guns as being great guns and undervalued in the market

Edited by oldcolonel (08/08/13 09:20 AM)

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: oldcolonel]
      #233683 - 07/08/13 05:50 AM

With people many times claiming a double rifle is out of reach of the common man, worth keeping a record of this good buy. IMO. Sold for just over $3000 as the auction bid price.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: Nordmann]
      #233687 - 07/08/13 06:06 AM

Hello Nerdmann,

I think you are correct, Holland and Holland is a much better choice. Only hard part was drilling through the side locks for the electrical cord. They kept falling out so I finally glued them in place with epoxy, making sure that the screws were lined up.

I'm thinking about making a matching lamp with a Boss & Co 20 gauge. They are plentiful.



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Edited by CptCurl (28/09/13 11:20 PM)

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: NitroX]
      #233688 - 07/08/13 06:07 AM

Buckstix,

Did you manage to snag this one as well? Running with Curl's hunch I logged into Gunbroker and noticed the buyer was "b......x"; sure could be you I guess. If so, you must have a horse-shoe up your tail. Your purchase of the Westley Richards .375 with the 16" barrels was a spot of luck, when the rest of us seemed to have missed it, and now this nicely priced (as it turned out) toy. The seller seems to have had the date of production wrong so who knows, maybe he has the chambering incorrect as well and you have yourself a .303 British; such would make a nice cherry on top of your new purchase. It's still a lucky find if it is indeed a .303 Savage. Do let us know what a chamber cast tells you.

Mark

PS - I haven't run out of fingers as yet but let's see: Fraser 9.3X74R, Lefauxcheau 8mm Lebel, Westley Richards .375 Flanged, William Richards .577 BPE, Stendebach 8X57JR and now a Belgian .303 "Something"; all in the last year or so. Have I forgotten any? I think most will agree that you have a pretty severe case of "Doublerifleitis"; not that there is anything wrong with that of course

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: buckstix]
      #233689 - 07/08/13 06:08 AM

I wondered where the chord would go, well done, would love to see one on a purdey.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: Claydog]
      #233690 - 07/08/13 06:13 AM

Ah Buckstix, I hit "OK Submit" a tad after you showed up. So there it is, you did buy it. Good for you.

Nice lamp BTW.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: Buchsemann]
      #233692 - 07/08/13 06:17 AM


"If so, you must have a horse-shoe up your tail. Your purchase of the Westley Richards .375 with the 16" barrels was a spot of luck, when the rest of us seemed to have missed it, and now this nicely priced (as it turned out) toy."


No, I reckon application and dogged pursuit.

I have been looking for a specific product in a specific size sine January to replace one's that have worn out over the last 5 years. Be buggered if I could find any at a reasonable price. In the interim, in Jan I purchased an alternative to tied the person over.

I just kept looking every week or two on the net, especially world wide and last week I found a pair, size 14, thought they would do so purchased them for mate and had them sent off.

Over the moon is an understatement ! So much so, I got on the case again and managed to track down a few more pairs at a cheaper price so bought those (discontinued product so it was a case of buy now or lose them).

Relate that to Doubles, I think you need to keep abreast of what turns up on NE, AR, GunsInternational, GunsAmerica, GunBroker every week if you are to find these little gems.

And obviously buckstix does and good luck to him.

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Re: Not sure about what to think about this one [Re: NitroX]
      #233696 - 07/08/13 06:24 AM

Hello Nitrox,

Well, an unexpected acquisition to say the least. I actually found it by accident while searching for info on my Stenda-Werke 8x57R. So, I tagged it with a minimal bid just to track how high it would go, never thinking I would actually get it so cheap.

I'll give a detailed hands-on review later this week or early next. I'm thinking that since the seller got the date wrong, (1949 not prewar) maybe the caliber is wrong also. I'm crossing my fingers that maybe, just maybe, its 303 British. How cool would that be? Anyone every heard of a 303"S" being some kind of British loading?

Everyone help me by crossing your fingers too. ? ? ? ?

But, it is likely going to be a 303 Savage. Back in the 1920's the 303 Savage cartridge had a big following in the eastern United States for moose. (I don't agree) Its been around since the 1899 Savage lever action hit the market, and the heavier 190g factory loading did a fair number on big game with properly placed bullets. I think mostly due to good penetration, not energy.

I found this reference while searching the internet. I think this catalog listing is from the 1940's or 50's under the FAUL brand name "Centaure".



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