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9.3x62 vs 375 H&H
      #233600 - 06/08/13 01:29 AM

I would like to compare these cartridges in terms of penetration (not recoil…); especially comparing their standard weights 286 gr vs 300 gr (if loaded with the same bullet like Nosler for instance)
As I have read that the 9.3 outpenetrates the 375 each time.

I wonder if that is true because the 375 has a long and respected track record.

However I assume it can happen particularly when the 375 is pushed to higher velocities. My friend owns a 375 H&H Flanged single shot rifle and it has always outpenetrated his friend’s 9.3 (both used the Oryx bullet and the bullet velocity at each was around 2300 fs). They used wetpack for testing.

What do you guys think?

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: CZ_hunter]
      #233604 - 06/08/13 04:38 AM

Semantics my friend, the creature on the receiving end won´t know a blind bit of notice, I would go with the .375 because it is legal anywhere for anything, best, Mike

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #233606 - 06/08/13 05:04 AM


The 9.3 penetrates very well indeed, no two ways
but so does the 375H&H.

Would not be a huge amount of difference and as
Mike said, no animal is going to notice.


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233621 - 06/08/13 09:26 AM

My fireformed brass in 9.3X62 have a case capacity of 78gr. & a decent throat.

This allows the use of enough BLC2 or H4895 to generate 2,.675fps with 270gr. bullets, and 2,472fps with 300's.

Last fall, I chronographed a friends factory .375H&H BRNO ZKK 602 with Winchester factory Silvertips at 2,474fps.

I fail to see significant difference. Yes - I'm comparing 9.3 X 62 handloads with factory .375H&H - that's what I do.

Actually I don't shoot factory in anything buy my .22 and .17 rimfires.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: DarylS]
      #233636 - 06/08/13 05:36 PM

If both bullets impact at the same speed then theoreticly the 9.3 will penetrate further due to less frontal area. Then you have to add in the momentum of both as the heavier bullet will have more weight to carry it and so it goes on.

In reality as the others have said. Not much in iether way.


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: Rule303]
      #233638 - 06/08/13 06:32 PM

A 9.3x62 makes a handy bolt action rifle, therefore its increasing popularity. As suitable for a standard length action.

Penetration is determined by sectional density, a formula of calibre (ie frontal area) and weight, plus velocity. Plus of course bullet construction. As calibre increases the bullet weight must increase for the same sectional density.

Not much difference between a .366 and a .375 in calibre size.

Both will perform similarly. But both cartridges can be hot loaded to better performance with modern hand loadings.

For increased penetration in both use the 320 gr .366 and 350 gr .375 Woodleigh bullets.

As Mike says, the .375 is more versatile as it can be used in more countries for dangerous game.

Personally I prefer the .375 Flanged Magnum over the 9.3x74R and the .375 H&H Magnum over the 9.3x62 and 9.3x64 for the same reasons. In theory at least at the moment,

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: NitroX]
      #233652 - 06/08/13 09:34 PM

Nah,
all you gents have got it wrong, Jack Lott even stated that the 9.3x64mm Brenneke out performs the .375 H&H!
He's right too!!
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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 93x64mm]
      #233664 - 07/08/13 02:04 AM


9.3

Where did Jack Lott say that ?
Have read a few of his things but never seen it.

Not sure it "outperforms" but it more than holds
it's own against the 375H&H.


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233676 - 07/08/13 05:02 AM

I personally think the original 9.3 x 62 loading of a 286 grain bullet at 2175 fps is the equal of the .375 H&H 270 or 300 grain loadings for all practical purposes. The .375 of course is flatter and the energy figures are higher, but I don't think game hit by either cartridge will note any difference. One could probably stretch this to include the 9 x 57 Mauser with 245 grain loading.

The same is true for whole classes of cartridges that are practically indistinguishable - 8 x 60, .318 WR, .338 Win. Mag, .300 Weatherby, etc.

I know the endless debates about cartridges and loadings keep the gun and ammunition makers happy, and I'm not opposed to that.

There is also the question of aesthetics. The .375 H&H is possibly the most beautiful cartridge of all time (270 and 300 grain loadings only), followed closely by the .400/350 Rigby and .350 Rigby magnum. The 9.3 x 62 and 318 WR are also pleasing to my eye. I don't care for sharply tapered cases like the Halger rounds, the .244 H & H, the Weatherby rounds, and many others too numerous too mention.


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: mckinney]
      #233679 - 07/08/13 05:20 AM

Quote:

I personally think the original 9.3 x 62 loading of a 286 grain bullet at 2175 fps is the equal of the .375 H&H 270 or 300 grain loadings for all practical purposes. The .375 of course is flatter and the energy figures are higher, but I don't think game hit by either cartridge will note any difference. One could probably stretch this to include the 9 x 57 Mauser with 245 grain loading.




I think the law of diminishing marginal return might apply to the 9.3x57!

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: NitroX]
      #233685 - 07/08/13 05:53 AM


"The same is true for whole classes of cartridges that are practically indistinguishable - 8 x 60, .318 WR, .338 Win. Mag, .300 Weatherby, etc."

318WR versus 300 Wby ?

I really like the 318WR but I wouldn't put it in the same class as 300 Wby.

Yes, both will kill if the bullet is in the same place,
318WR has the advantage of heavy for calibre bullet that penetrates really well but the 300 Wby, it hits hard.


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: NitroX]
      #233686 - 07/08/13 06:01 AM

Nitro,
I still have a copy including a .pdf (23MB - not the best quality of a tattered copy I'm sorry)of Guns & ammo "Big Bore Rifles" Volume 1 No 1 1983.

Chapter 6 Imported Bolt action big bores Page 39 bottom RHS of page & I quote:-

"Left: Some of the most powerful
for calibre of metric cartridges
were developed by Brenneke and
featured his TUG and TIG bullets.
The 9.3x64mm is so powerful that
its ballistics even surpass those
of the .375 H&H mag"
End quote.

So there gents in black & white in a small note for all to see, Jack Lott himself described the 7x64, 8x64 & 9.3x64mm rounds - Wilhelm Brenneke's finest creations!
See told you!
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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 93x64mm]
      #233693 - 07/08/13 06:18 AM


Thanks for that quote. Interesting.

I'll have to go back and read Lott again.


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233699 - 07/08/13 07:04 AM

That post script was written in the day of few people having chronographs, I think. Comparing a good bullet, say, in the 9.3x64 against a virtually identical speed and energy, but poorly designed bullet in the .375 would give false results, hence the text presented. To compare, the bullets should be of similar construction, as good bullets are available in all calibres today.

I think those two are as peas in a pod. Given identically designed bullets the results must be identical.

So - enough logic - I looked up data for the 9.3x64 myself - I see handloads listed by Vihtavuori 1st Edition as:
maximum loading: 258gr. HMK 2,670fps
---------------- 285gr. TMR 2,530fps
---------------- 293gr. TUG 2,550fps

I also looked up this books .375H&H loads
maximum loading: 235gr. Speer -- 2,900fps
---------------- 270gr. Hornady- 2,790fps
---------------- 300gr. Hornady- 2,560fps

Most other manuals will show similar results, but some also show up to another 100 higher speeds for the .375. But does that put it well above the 9.3x64? At that level of 'power' would there be any "notable" or "visible" effect - I doubt it.

I fail to see anything that would lead me to believe the 9.3 is more powerful than the .375.

Even my 22" bl. 9.3x62 makes 2,520fps with 285gr. Grand Slams. Yes - that is powerful, but from a 9.3x62, not a 64mm. The pressures are higher - so what? Little finger bolt lift. So much for the enormous power of the 9.3x64 - as loaded. Certainly one should be able to modernize it with modern powders, but more so than the .375H&H? - I doubt that or at least not enough to make a difference to the animal.

The late Finn Agaarrd once noted he'd seen absolutely no difference on African game between the .375H&H and the 9.3x62 factory loads. He went on to list other similar rounds as in the various 8mm's, .30's and the .300 mags. as producing similar if not identical results on the same game to each other.

In the 9.3 vs .375 results, he was referring to the current factory ammo, ie: 270's at 2,740fps and 300's at 2,560fps with the 9.3's factory fodder of 285gr. at 2,330fps.

Fast forward to the actual data for the 93x64 vs the .375 and I cannot see how virtually identical speeds with the same SD bullets can produce different results and we all know, with today's premium bullets, SD is NOT what determines damage and penetration, but construction sure does.

As for the 9.3x57 goes, mine (now my bro's) puts out 286gr. Norma and 293gr. TUGs at 2,200fps and 270's at 2,300fps. It even does 2,175fps with 300's and I'm sure I could get those up around 2250fps without pushing it. It is not even breathing hard with less than .0005 (5-tenthousandths) expansion at the web (in one spot only) from FL sized. I could raise it's speed another 50fps maybe even 100fps quite easily, but why bother? It shoots through moose and bears as it is.

Years ago, the 9.3x62 factory ammo ran 2,175fps with 285gr. solids and softs and was one of the very best rounds for Africa- according to John Taylor. In 1923, the ballistics were upped to 2,330fps with the same bullets and Taylor said they needn't have done that, it worked just fine as it was.

Hmmmmm - 9.3x62 at 2,175fps with a 285gr.- sounds fairly similar to my 'little' 9.3x57, doesn't it?

What's Best? What's needed for a specific purpose might decide which is best to that person, in that situation.

There are bound to be a multitude of different opinions.

It's all interesting.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 93x64mm]
      #233700 - 07/08/13 07:12 AM

The 9,3x64 is a great cartridge like the 375 H&H . I have no experience with the 375 , but i shot a lot of game , mostly deers and wild boars , with the 9,3x64 . There is a big difference in the field with regard to the indicated ballistic . It is a powerfull cartridge , no question , but a relatively small cartridge and thereby limited performance . These are dependent of the rifle and especially the barrel that you use , as with other cartridges , that's right ! It surpass the 375H&H ? I don't know !

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: grandveneur]
      #233701 - 07/08/13 07:22 AM


grand

I have a German 9.3 x 64 and others I have seen always have long barrels.

That might make a small diff.

Have killed a fair few big animals with both the '64 and 375
and not a huge amount of difference !!!


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233702 - 07/08/13 07:29 AM

Brenneke has used barrels of 72cm , about 28" . My rifle had a barrel of 24". I saw a little difference especially by longer range shooting !

But that's right , both cartridge are more or less similar !


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: grandveneur]
      #233705 - 07/08/13 07:57 AM

Given the ballistic similarity, I'd be more concerned over the characteristics of the rifle. Which cartridge allows me to build a rifle that comes alive in the hands, which can I get to balance out better, which is lighter, which is trimmer, and more svelte. Which rifle can I carry further, longer, higher, harder, etc? I suppose I've crunched too many numbers, and have done too many statistical analyses in previous professional roles. My time at the bench is about pure unadulterated rifle lust, therefore I'm more concerned with rifle characteristics than ballistics given how similar these two cartridges are.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: StephenCoker]
      #233707 - 07/08/13 09:35 AM

Own a Savage 9.3x62 (it was preceeded by a merkel semi-auto and an R.F. Sedgley Springfield sporter.) The Savage is a 116 and were built for export only in 8x57 and 9.3x62. Apparently a few escaped to a savage distributor and I bought a 9.3 but missed the 8x57. As my eyes are aged, this is a rifle I'll never set against a tree and lose.

As for 375 H&Hs, my pride and joy is a Red Pad No.1 that I refinished in English red stain and a gloss finish (to show off the grain). Probably will never hunt it, but it's a ball with cast bullets. Just bought another 375 H&H claimed to be 1 of 4 Mossy Oak commissioned from Browning for the 07' Shot Show. Each was a different cartridge and a different camo. Mine is a stainless A Bolt II stainless in "Brush" camo and sporting a 26" barrel. Good story, may even be true.
Just received a Brush "skin kit" from Mossy Oak so I can "skin" most of the stainless and the scope. That not "skinned" will be painted (at Brownell's suggestion) with Sage colored aluma hide that the tech said was very rugged. I'll post a pic when it's done. It's one I could set down and lose out in the "SageBrush Sea" !

As far as performance, never killed anything that bites or stomps with either. Do seem to remember a rather well known PH writing a story in one of the Wolfe magazines about killing a lot of Elephants with a 9.3x62 using head shots. Story featured several skulls showing the effect of a 286 gr (?) solid.

Have no desire to kill a "heffalump" and could not afford it anyway. Should I ever run across Mr. Griz here at home (we have a lot!) I'd be happy with either the 9.3 with a 270 TSX @ 2500 or the 375 with a 270 TSX @ 2800. Doubt the bear would notice the difference. Good news is that in spite of many days on Jordan (my plowhorse 1/4 horse) in the back country all I have seen of Mr. Griz is a lot of tracks. Until they are delisted, that's fine with me. Of course you NEVER Elk hunt alone as a gunshot is "ringing the dinner bell" for Mr. Griz.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: Ruger_450]
      #233708 - 07/08/13 12:27 PM

I have shot two moose with a Sako 85 Blackbear in 9.3x62 one moose with a Ruger Alaskan in 375 Ruger and 1 moose with a Ruger # 1 in 375H &H. They all died.

They are both Great caliburs and my thoughts are that the 375 H&H is a 9.3x62 only at 100 yards further out. If you can do it at 200 yards with a 9.3x62 then you can do it at 300yards with a 375 H&H.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: grandveneur]
      #233719 - 07/08/13 07:08 PM

Quote:

Brenneke has used barrels of 72cm , about 28" . My rifle had a barrel of 24". I saw a little difference especially by longer range shooting !

But that's right , both cartridge are more or less similar !




I remember I often have discounted the higher velocity stats of the 9.3x64 when so often the factory ballistics have a 30 inch barrel as being recorded as the testing medium.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: NitroX]
      #233728 - 07/08/13 08:57 PM

Well I certainly stirred up a hornets nest didn't I!
Yes basically there is nothing between the 9.3x64mm & the .375H&H on game; but that's why I like it so much, because it is such an efficient cartridge - & the German's always design GOOD gear!
Yes it fits into a normal length action as against the magnum length action, isn't that what everyone spruks on about?
So what if your humdinger is better than mine, snob appeal - because it is a Rigby or a H&H, hey they're beautiful works of art to me too!
Guess that's why I like the 9.3x64mm so well; because it's the 'underdog', hey I'm an Aussie that's our nature! It might be built on an old Mark X action, has a 26" barrel & set in an old Parker Hale stock. It's plain like me, nothing fancy, works hard & shoots a lot better than I can hold it.
When I started this project I was only 21, took me years to get info & work out loads because there was no loading data here or computer programmes to do this - Prowleys slide rule supposedly did this but I could never locate one. Years later Nick Harvey (gun scribe here in Oz) did a test on it & his data tops mine from memory - but as everyone knows, all rifles are different!
This is the "real" reason why I like it so much because I sorted this out myself & came up with data that actually works!
So whatever calibre floats your boat - even if its (now) a (common) .375H&H & it really interest you then go for it

My loads for the 9.3x64mm:-
Please start low & work up

293gn TUG & 72gn AR2209 - 2560fps Average
285gn Woodie & 74gn AR2209 - 2630fps Average
270gn Speer & 55gn AR2208 - 2180fps Average (reduced load - decimates pigs & deer!)

Cheers & try it before you get something that everyone has!
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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 93x64mm]
      #233735 - 08/08/13 02:00 AM

My above post was merely to point out the similarities in performance between the 9.3x64 and the .375. In the end, this boils down to my general dislike of belted cases. Which case do I prefer?

I much prefer non-belted, which means I prefer the 9.3x57, 9.3x62, 9.3x64, .376 Styer and my virtually identical performance .375/06IMP.

Today, the .375 Ruger is taking the place of the belted H&H in some gun cabinets around here. My long time friend now has that reamer, so I do as well. Hmmmmm. Naaaaaaa - I like my .376/06IMP too much to change it.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: DarylS]
      #233748 - 08/08/13 04:14 AM

The .375/06 improved is a looker. Is it just the .30-06 case necked up to .375 caliber, like the .375 Whelen cartridge of the 1930's?

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: mckinney]
      #233759 - 08/08/13 06:48 AM

Quote:

I personally think the original 9.3 x 62 loading of a 286 grain bullet at 2175 fps is the equal of the .375 H&H 270 or 300 grain loadings for all practical purposes. The .375 of course is flatter and the energy figures are higher, but I don't think game hit by either cartridge will note any difference. One could probably stretch this to include the 9 x 57 Mauser with 245 grain loading.

The same is true for whole classes of cartridges that are practically indistinguishable - 8 x 60, .318 WR, .338 Win. Mag, .300 Weatherby, etc.

I know the endless debates about cartridges and loadings keep the gun and ammunition makers happy, and I'm not opposed to that.

There is also the question of aesthetics. The .375 H&H is possibly the most beautiful cartridge of all time (270 and 300 grain loadings only), followed closely by the .400/350 Rigby and .350 Rigby magnum. The 9.3 x 62 and 318 WR are also pleasing to my eye. I don't care for sharply tapered cases like the Halger rounds, the .244 H & H, the Weatherby rounds, and many others too numerous too mention.





I agree on the aesthetics of the H&H and Rigby cartridges. And I love the loong necks for the heavy bullets. (I don't care for the ill-conceived sausage shape of some today’s modern magnums...)
Some of my pet calibers below



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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: CZ_hunter]
      #233761 - 08/08/13 07:12 AM

mckinney - PM sent

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: CZ_hunter]
      #233802 - 08/08/13 06:37 PM

It's harder to identify these from images than I would have thought. I'll take a crack at the first two - .300 H&H flanged and .404 Jeffery. Still working on the third and may be wrong on the first two.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: mckinney]
      #233810 - 08/08/13 11:56 PM

Quote:

It's harder to identify these from images than I would have thought. I'll take a crack at the first two - .300 H&H flanged and .404 Jeffery. Still working on the third and may be wrong on the first two.




mckinney, you are right with the first one but you should still work on the others...

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: CZ_hunter]
      #233812 - 09/08/13 12:36 AM

I'll go with .425 WR as a second guess on the middle cartridge, but the belt doesn't look right to me for either the .404 Jeffery or .425 WR. Still no clear idea on the third. Unfortunately I'm traveling and don't have any cartridges around to look at for the moment.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: CZ_hunter]
      #233817 - 09/08/13 02:17 AM

Quote:

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It's harder to identify these from images than I would have thought. I'll take a crack at the first two - .300 H&H flanged and .404 Jeffery. Still working on the third and may be wrong on the first two.




mckinney, you are right with the first one but you should still work on the others...




.300 H&H, 400 H&H, .350 Rigby aka 400/350 NE?


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 93mouse]
      #233827 - 09/08/13 05:26 AM

...and as we are speaking about pentetration of 9,3x62 vs .375 H&H Mag...

I'd only say that the only fair race would be comparing 286 gr. 9,3's and 300 gr. .375's SOLIDS of either RN or FN designs.
IMHO - none of the mentioned calibers with solid bullets lack of penetration - the only difference is that .375's are exiting the critter 200 fps faster than 9,3's...


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 93mouse]
      #233885 - 09/08/13 11:42 PM

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It's harder to identify these from images than I would have thought. I'll take a crack at the first two - .300 H&H flanged and .404 Jeffery. Still working on the third and may be wrong on the first two.




mckinney, you are right with the first one but you should still work on the others...




.300 H&H, 400 H&H, .350 Rigby aka 400/350 NE?





93mouse, you are the winner of the quiz! Very good... I wonder how many users of these cartridges are here on this forum!

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: CZ_hunter]
      #233895 - 10/08/13 02:56 AM

I would say the 9,3x64 never will be very popular for a few reasons. The kind of performance is not needed for most European game. In African countries where 9,3x62 is legal to use in some African countries while in others 375H&H is the minimum requirement. 9,3x64 falls between these. What is the point of 9,3X64? There is just one maker of ammo, RWS and hardly any rifles chambered for it.

I like the .375 will be a 375 Blaser magnum, no pesky belt and better performance at lower pressure etc. than 375 H&H.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: Yochanan]
      #233897 - 10/08/13 03:41 AM

The 9,3x64 was always established in France for hunting big game in Africa , like the 375 H&H . My first rifle for hunting heavy game was a FN Mauser made in France in the Seventy's !

The popularity of the 9,3x64 increase again in Germany and that by local hunters , like the 10,75x68 ! Ammo is not a problem , both cartridges are very easy to reload !

As we started the hunting in East-Russia at the begin of the Ninety's , most of the European hunters used the 9,3x64 for hunting moose and bears . There is a reason why this cartridge is in the meantime also know in Russia !


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: grandveneur]
      #233898 - 10/08/13 03:53 AM

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The 9,3x64 was always established in France for hunting big game in Africa , like the 375 H&H . My first rifle for hunting heavy game was a FN Mauser made in France in the Seventy's !

The popularity of the 9,3x64 increase again in Germany and that by local hunters , like the 10,75x68 ! Ammo is not a problem , both cartridges are very easy to reload !

As we started the hunting in East-Russia at the begin of the Ninety's , most of the European hunters used the 9,3x64 for hunting moose and bears . There is a reason why this cartridge is in the meantime also know in Russia !




You may think what you want but it's a numbers game, the number of rifles in 9,3x62 and 375 H&H simply outnumber the 9,3x64...like it or not. Ask an ammunitions manufacturer of the sales volume for cartridges and you will see 9,3x64 isn't near the top. Actually, the Blaser magnums are selling quite well in Russia and parts of Europe.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: Yochanan]
      #233899 - 10/08/13 04:21 AM

That's right , but the 9,3x64 cartridge is only sold by RWS , difficult to ask a lot of manufacters !

The 9,3x62 is a very popular cartridge in our countries established for hunting heavy game , like the 9,3x74R and marginal for big game hunting .

You cannot compare this cartridge with the 9,3x64 or the 375 H&H . A reason why i don't understand this thread since the beginning !

En passant , i don't like Blaser and theirs mechanical things !


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: grandveneur]
      #233915 - 10/08/13 06:12 AM

Apparently there been lots big game slayed with the "marginal" 9,3x62 and 9,3x74R What a pity the animals didn't know this. Well, as stated it's a numbers game and the 9,3x64 will never be popular. In my view 9,3x64 is a perfect solution to a non-existing problem with other 9,3 and 375's on the market.

Actually, Brenneke also makes ammo in 9,3x64 so that make them two But Brenneke is a very small player on the ammunitions market.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: Yochanan]
      #233916 - 10/08/13 06:17 AM


But the 9.3 x 64 was made well before a lot of the other
calibers were on the market !!!


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233918 - 10/08/13 06:29 AM

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But the 9.3 x 64 was made well before a lot of the other
calibers were on the market !!!




In my book the 9,3x62 was designed in 1905, 375H&H in 1912 and 9,3x64 Brenneke in 1927. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Science marches forward in many areas and there are cartridges that never lasted more than few summer while other disappears of age.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: Yochanan]
      #233919 - 10/08/13 06:40 AM

Yochana

I think we misunderstood each other.
I was referring to this comment.

"with other 9,3 and 375's on the market."

ie other 9.3's and 375's over and above the 62, 64 and 375H&H.


What about the newish SAKO 9.3 x 70 ? If that is not a "perfect solution to a non-existing problem", what is ?


The 9.3 x 64 will get a new lease of life with the Russian's using it. As to whether many gun makers will chamber for it, I very much doubt it considering the popularity of the 9.3 x 62. ie Tikka.

Edited by 500Nitro (10/08/13 06:44 AM)


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233925 - 10/08/13 07:10 AM

In the practice in the field , all this could't to prevent me from using this marginal cartridges , 9,3x74R and 375 H&H for buffalo hunting !





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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: grandveneur]
      #233927 - 10/08/13 07:20 AM


Yes, those marginal cartridges.

Better step up to something bigger !


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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233928 - 10/08/13 07:23 AM

Today i use bigger !

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: grandveneur]
      #233929 - 10/08/13 07:30 AM



So do I.


Although 375H&H is my fall back.


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