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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: CZ_hunter]
#233761 - 08/08/13 07:12 AM

mckinney - PM sent

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: CZ_hunter]
#233802 - 08/08/13 06:37 PM

It's harder to identify these from images than I would have thought. I'll take a crack at the first two - .300 H&H flanged and .404 Jeffery. Still working on the third and may be wrong on the first two.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: mckinney]
#233810 - 08/08/13 11:56 PM

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It's harder to identify these from images than I would have thought. I'll take a crack at the first two - .300 H&H flanged and .404 Jeffery. Still working on the third and may be wrong on the first two.

mckinney, you are right with the first one but you should still work on the others...

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: CZ_hunter]
#233812 - 09/08/13 12:36 AM

I'll go with .425 WR as a second guess on the middle cartridge, but the belt doesn't look right to me for either the .404 Jeffery or .425 WR. Still no clear idea on the third. Unfortunately I'm traveling and don't have any cartridges around to look at for the moment.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: CZ_hunter]
#233817 - 09/08/13 02:17 AM

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It's harder to identify these from images than I would have thought. I'll take a crack at the first two - .300 H&H flanged and .404 Jeffery. Still working on the third and may be wrong on the first two.

mckinney, you are right with the first one but you should still work on the others...

.300 H&H, 400 H&H, .350 Rigby aka 400/350 NE?

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 93mouse]
#233827 - 09/08/13 05:26 AM

...and as we are speaking about pentetration of 9,3x62 vs .375 H&H Mag...

I'd only say that the only fair race would be comparing 286 gr. 9,3's and 300 gr. .375's SOLIDS of either RN or FN designs.
IMHO - none of the mentioned calibers with solid bullets lack of penetration - the only difference is that .375's are exiting the critter 200 fps faster than 9,3's...

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 93mouse]
#233885 - 09/08/13 11:42 PM

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It's harder to identify these from images than I would have thought. I'll take a crack at the first two - .300 H&H flanged and .404 Jeffery. Still working on the third and may be wrong on the first two.

mckinney, you are right with the first one but you should still work on the others...

.300 H&H, 400 H&H, .350 Rigby aka 400/350 NE?

93mouse, you are the winner of the quiz! Very good... I wonder how many users of these cartridges are here on this forum!

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: CZ_hunter]
#233895 - 10/08/13 02:56 AM

I would say the 9,3x64 never will be very popular for a few reasons. The kind of performance is not needed for most European game. In African countries where 9,3x62 is legal to use in some African countries while in others 375H&H is the minimum requirement. 9,3x64 falls between these. What is the point of 9,3X64? There is just one maker of ammo, RWS and hardly any rifles chambered for it.

I like the .375 will be a 375 Blaser magnum, no pesky belt and better performance at lower pressure etc. than 375 H&H.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: Yochanan]
#233897 - 10/08/13 03:41 AM

The 9,3x64 was always established in France for hunting big game in Africa , like the 375 H&H . My first rifle for hunting heavy game was a FN Mauser made in France in the Seventy's !

The popularity of the 9,3x64 increase again in Germany and that by local hunters , like the 10,75x68 ! Ammo is not a problem , both cartridges are very easy to reload !

As we started the hunting in East-Russia at the begin of the Ninety's , most of the European hunters used the 9,3x64 for hunting moose and bears . There is a reason why this cartridge is in the meantime also know in Russia !

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: grandveneur]
#233898 - 10/08/13 03:53 AM

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The 9,3x64 was always established in France for hunting big game in Africa , like the 375 H&H . My first rifle for hunting heavy game was a FN Mauser made in France in the Seventy's !

The popularity of the 9,3x64 increase again in Germany and that by local hunters , like the 10,75x68 ! Ammo is not a problem , both cartridges are very easy to reload !

As we started the hunting in East-Russia at the begin of the Ninety's , most of the European hunters used the 9,3x64 for hunting moose and bears . There is a reason why this cartridge is in the meantime also know in Russia !

You may think what you want but it's a numbers game, the number of rifles in 9,3x62 and 375 H&H simply outnumber the 9,3x64...like it or not. Ask an ammunitions manufacturer of the sales volume for cartridges and you will see 9,3x64 isn't near the top. Actually, the Blaser magnums are selling quite well in Russia and parts of Europe.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: Yochanan]
#233899 - 10/08/13 04:21 AM

That's right , but the 9,3x64 cartridge is only sold by RWS , difficult to ask a lot of manufacters !

The 9,3x62 is a very popular cartridge in our countries established for hunting heavy game , like the 9,3x74R and marginal for big game hunting .

You cannot compare this cartridge with the 9,3x64 or the 375 H&H . A reason why i don't understand this thread since the beginning !

En passant , i don't like Blaser and theirs mechanical things !

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: grandveneur]
#233915 - 10/08/13 06:12 AM

Apparently there been lots big game slayed with the "marginal" 9,3x62 and 9,3x74R

What a pity the animals didn't know this. Well, as stated it's a numbers game and the 9,3x64 will never be popular. In my view 9,3x64 is a perfect solution to a non-existing problem with other 9,3 and 375's on the market.

Actually, Brenneke also makes ammo in 9,3x64 so that make them two

But Brenneke is a very small player on the ammunitions market.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: Yochanan]
#233916 - 10/08/13 06:17 AM

But the 9.3 x 64 was made well before a lot of the other
calibers were on the market !!!

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 500Nitro]
#233918 - 10/08/13 06:29 AM

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But the 9.3 x 64 was made well before a lot of the other
calibers were on the market !!!

In my book the 9,3x62 was designed in 1905, 375H&H in 1912 and 9,3x64 Brenneke in 1927. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Science marches forward in many areas and there are cartridges that never lasted more than few summer while other disappears of age.

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: Yochanan]
#233919 - 10/08/13 06:40 AM

Yochana

I think we misunderstood each other.
I was referring to this comment.

"with other 9,3 and 375's on the market."

ie other 9.3's and 375's over and above the 62, 64 and 375H&H.

What about the newish SAKO 9.3 x 70 ? If that is not a "perfect solution to a non-existing problem", what is ?

The 9.3 x 64 will get a new lease of life with the Russian's using it. As to whether many gun makers will chamber for it, I very much doubt it considering the popularity of the 9.3 x 62. ie Tikka.

Edited by 500Nitro (10/08/13 06:44 AM)

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 500Nitro]
#233925 - 10/08/13 07:10 AM

In the practice in the field , all this could't to prevent me from using this marginal cartridges , 9,3x74R and 375 H&H for buffalo hunting !

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: grandveneur]
#233927 - 10/08/13 07:20 AM

Yes, those marginal cartridges.

Better step up to something bigger !

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: 500Nitro]
#233928 - 10/08/13 07:23 AM

Today i use bigger !

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Re: 9.3x62 vs 375 H&H [Re: grandveneur]
#233929 - 10/08/13 07:30 AM

So do I.

Although 375H&H is my fall back.

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