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NitroX
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Hypothetical Scenario Question ...
#233164 - 30/07/13 03:07 PM

A fun hypothetical scenario and question.
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You are hunting in the Zambezi Valley. You have taken a shot at a leopard the night before, the leopard wounded fled into the night. You and your PH along with Ngambo the tracker, followed it by torchlight for a period of time, very nervous and frightening experience, but abandoned the tracking when the tracks led into very thick bush.

The next morning at dawn you resume the chase. You agonised over which firearm to carry, imagine the tense and nervy followup through the thick forest and undergrowth, pushing through fern leaves and bushes, trying to get through wait-a-bit thorns, patches of grass higher than you are ... only being able to see the back of the PH ahead of you, sometimes the tracker in front of him
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Now think about what firearm you thought you should carry ... set it in your mind ...
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.... as you round the leafy thorn bush, you find yourself face to face with .......
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What firearm did you originally choose? Remember you set it into your mind earlier.

What firearm do you now wish for?

Please tell.

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500Nitro
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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: NitroX]
#233169 - 30/07/13 03:29 PM

Short barrel 500 Nitro

Short barrel 12 Gauge Shotgun !

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: 500Nitro]
#233170 - 30/07/13 04:19 PM

I think I would have a double barrel shotgun with buck shot

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: NitroX]
#233171 - 30/07/13 04:38 PM

I think the back-fire would be far more lethal than anything you could poke at that cat

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: eagle27]
#233172 - 30/07/13 05:13 PM

Hmm. The same 7x57 Oberndorf type B. It handles like a shotgun

With a bayonet!

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: Even]
#233173 - 30/07/13 05:21 PM

Bayonet !

Your 7x57 won't handle like a shotgun with a bayonet on it !!!

Stuff that for a joke, sticking a bayonet into a dummy
is bad enough.

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: Even]
#233174 - 30/07/13 05:22 PM

Anything I wouldn't mind the stock being chewed up on.

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500Nitro
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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: Claydog]
#233176 - 30/07/13 05:28 PM

I have a stock with teeth / bite marks and scratches.

The owner put it up to stop the attack and the Leopard bit into the fore end and scratches the butt.

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: 500Nitro]
#233177 - 30/07/13 06:02 PM

Any of my 12g's with 00 sg's. or ssg's. Restricted to doubles these days but a 1100 or 870 rem would be perfect.Cheers Mick

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: 264]
#233178 - 30/07/13 06:17 PM

12 bore double with SSG, best

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: 264]
#233179 - 30/07/13 06:18 PM

Marlin lever action, 18" barrel in 45/70 or a Rem or ithicca 18" 12gauge pump shootie.

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: Rule303]
#233184 - 30/07/13 07:05 PM

I picked a Double 10ga

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: ozhunter]
#233188 - 30/07/13 07:46 PM

I initially picked my very reliable 26 inch barrelled lanber 12 gauge with 00 buckshot (I want to say my new Merkel 470 but I haven't used it enough and am not instinctive with it yet). Still pretty happy with the choice having seen the photo.

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: gwh]
#233193 - 30/07/13 08:17 PM

You would have to go with something that points instinctively, delivers short range stopping power, with the ability to compensate for a possibly misplaced shoot, A double barreled shotgun either 12 or 10 gauge loaded with SG or similar would have to be the answer.

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: Rigby350]
#233194 - 30/07/13 08:33 PM

Sauer Drilling 12g SG's with a SP 9.3x74R.........maybe my Winchester 94 in .375Win. but then again a 7.62mm L1A1 with bayonet might be the go!

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Edited by RLI (30/07/13 08:45 PM)

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: Rigby350]
#233195 - 30/07/13 08:35 PM

The double that I hunt with and am most familiar with.

Previously that would have been my Rodda 450/400 with 23 3/8" barrels. 800 rounds of practice in 7 months made it a running rabbit rifle.

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: HuntingSchneider]
#233209 - 30/07/13 11:14 PM

I would pick a big bore double rifle for which I am familiar with, in the first place.

But with the second question, like many a 12 gauge or better a 10 gauge shotgun.

But at a few yards, the shot column would be pretty solid I would think, so a 400 or 480 gr SP projectile would be far more effective and easily penetrate and a shot column not spreading much more?

Either way something handy, that points really well, and has two barrels with lots of effective grunt behind them.

That photo with the growling and snarling monster at 8 feet ...

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: NitroX]
#233230 - 31/07/13 06:49 AM

LOL< I was kidding about the bayonet

At least, on that rifle...

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: Even]
#233232 - 31/07/13 06:59 AM

John

Are you saying you reckon a 480gn bullet would be more effective than a shot column. Your words are not clear.

Either way, I think the final answer is

You use what you have in your hands at the time
and pray that it works !!!

Edited by 500Nitro (31/07/13 07:00 AM)

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: Even]
#233233 - 31/07/13 07:02 AM

Ruger 44 mag semi from 1965 with the Mannlicher, stock mounted with a 2.5x20 Leupold M8.

I've taken at least 20 bears in my uncles corn field with that set up. I know it works on fast moving bears. No idea how a running bear compares to a charging leopard but ....

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: Rell]
#233240 - 31/07/13 09:15 AM

My Krieghoff Ulm Primus double rifle in 9.3X74R, stocked to the same measurements as my Perazzi skeet gun. With a bit of luck, I'll have it in my hands next week. (The extra barrels are 16-70/7X75R SE vom Hofe, with a full length insert barrel in 6X52R Brettschneider.)

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: xausa]
#233242 - 31/07/13 09:20 AM

vom Hofe

Don't see many of those around.

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: NitroX]
#233252 - 31/07/13 06:06 PM

Minimal (or optimal penetration).

PH Herve Houdebine prior to going to the blind. 460 Weatherby and a cut-barrelled shotgun. The cut-off shotgun is the recipe he got from JM Latrive, PH in Tanzania.
His leather jacket was in the backpack.
I'd have loved to have my Beretta every day 12 gauge.

IMO a bullet would just wheeze through the cat that could keep going, as a lead column would push and roll the cat anyway.
When in Alaska, the PH was using a drilling, as he experienced a couple of charges from brown bears and told me that the 12 gauge would stop and flat a brownie any time though temporarily.
After 12 gauge is a 728 calibre.
home made 12 g in Bosnia war

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: 500Nitro]
#233254 - 31/07/13 06:17 PM

Though never in that position, and I never expect to be, the weapon choice was clearly
in my mind from the start. First and foremost, it would have to be something I was
very comfortable with, fast handling and with a natural point of aim.

I was thinking 12 bore Paradox gun with 70mm chambers and buckshot cartridges,
either size 00 (9 pellets of .33 caliber) or 000 (8 pellets of .36 caliber).
I believe those equate to UK sizes SG and LG. I would also have some Paradox
cartridges on my belt for use if the terrain opened up.

I have never hunted Africa so, as it says in the title of the thread, Hypothetical Scenario.

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: Grenadier]
#233726 - 07/08/13 08:39 PM

Gentlemen,

I would take a Benelli Super 90 M3 loaded alternating with buckshot and slugs.

In less than three seconds all 9 shots can be on their way, which makes up for a lot of missing caused by the shooter... :-)

Sidearm would be a S&W M29 .44 Magnum with 180grs JHP,
not to mention an Heckler&Koch MP5 on Full Auto (just dreaming)

And a light body armour vest would be a "nice to have", also two nice 100lbs pit bull terriers :-)

regards
Rolf

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