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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: vykkagur]
#342982 - 03/07/20 04:24 PM

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: vykkagur]
#343066 - 06/07/20 06:02 AM

It would be nice to have more info on the biathlon rifle.

I don't think that is a take down pin. I've seen photos from an older auction, which showed a sideways sling swivel mounted there on the other side. So it makes sense that it might be a nut that the swivel screws into from the other side.

No idea on the dingle under the trigger. A zoom in on that trigger seems to show it as coming out from the top, bending down, then re-joining at the bottom of the trigger guard. Perhaps the sling is meant to join there? Every biathlon rifle I've seen has almost a "backpack" sling, where there are two straps. So sling one from the front underneath mount to there, another from the side mount to the rear mount, and you have two straps. Maybe?

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: DonZ]
#352307 - 12/04/21 04:44 AM

this was bargain

https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=13970951

334 euro for a 7x64 in top condition with scope

maybe because it was labeled as Steyr Mannlicher? we dont kno

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#353186 - 08/05/21 04:45 AM

6,5x54 Mannl. Schoen., Nr. 5805, vienna proof, 56 cm barrel Rigby's peep sight "Patent / Mannlicher / Schoenauer / M 1903 , "Oesterr. Waffenfabr. - Ges. Steyr", Zeiss Zielsechs, Absehen 1 Target Dot,

https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/auctions/lot/id/274452

called "mannlicher Schönauer" this is a Haenel Model 1909 in 30 06 sold by Peterlongo in Innsbruck

Nr.: 243411, Stutzen with a 530 mm long barrel 'Tiroler Waffenfabrik J. Peterlongo Inssbruck','Original Rasanz Repetierer Mod. 1911'
https://www.dorotheum.com/en/l/7178431/#

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#353215 - 08/05/21 07:24 PM

The Peterlongo Stutzen that is presented as a Mannlicher Schoënauer by the auctioneer looks to be a Haenel, re. bolt stop and magazine.
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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: Louis]
#353220 - 09/05/21 12:45 AM

Louis: Lars wrote:

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called "mannlicher Schönauer" this is a Haenel Model 1909 in 30 06 sold by Peterlongo in Innsbruck

Nr.: 243411, Stutzen with a 530 mm long barrel 'Tiroler Waffenfabrik J. Peterlongo Inssbruck','Original Rasanz Repetierer Mod. 1911'
https://www.dorotheum.com/en/l/7178431/# />

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: Igorrock]
#353230 - 09/05/21 04:25 AM

we have seen this before Peterlongo in Tyrol had good connections to suhl
interesting that he used the 3006 for a hunting rifle in 1911. this is ???
was it an american customer who hunting in the alps for some time?

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#353236 - 09/05/21 06:55 AM

To me, that Haenel / Peterlongo rifle looks like it has been rebarreled to .30-06. At least, the front sight with base and hood don't look "pre-WW1 period". Also, the description sais "no valid proof". This speaks for a rebarrel job done outside Europe post-WW2.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: kuduae]
#353277 - 10/05/21 02:52 AM

I like that Haenel/Peterlongo stutzen but, looking at the floorplate release I think it may be a 1900 instead of 1909. Am I wrong?

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: JDL]
#353285 - 10/05/21 05:41 AM

It's a mixup, a 1909 receiver and bolt combined with a 1900 magazine and a nonstandard shotgun type triggerguard. Not the first such mixup of Haenel 1900 and 1909 features I have seen. The Suhl gunmakers never threw away any useable part .

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: kuduae]
#353453 - 16/05/21 03:10 PM

haenel modell 1909 in 8x57I SN 28008
https://auctionet.com/sv/1641577-429-kul.../images#image_1

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#353472 - 16/05/21 11:36 PM

Do you suppose that is a military barrel? It looks like it has a step at the front swivel and a military front sight base. Probably not uncommon.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: JDL]
#353481 - 17/05/21 01:29 AM

The stepped round barrel with the military looking front sight base was a standard feature of the Haenel M1909 grade ST.P.Nr.6, the second lowest of the six quality grades offered.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: kuduae]
#354596 - 24/06/21 06:25 PM

looks like a common 7x64 post war but this MS was owned and used by Max Schmelling

https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=14415885

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#354626 - 25/06/21 05:41 PM

International boxing champion, elite paratrooper, successful businessman and hunter; what a life!
I will mention Ripp, who quotes in his posts' signature "All men die but few men live" (or the like); Max Schmeling enjoyed a real man's life and, in addition, died at 99!
Thank you for sharing this post, Lancaster.
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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: Louis]
#354634 - 26/06/21 12:21 AM

and btw, Schmelling was a Mannlicher Schönauer lover
a passionate hunter this was his most used rifle

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#356877 - 18/09/21 02:35 PM

another remarkable Haenel 1909 coming from austria, 7x64 caliber
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=14509896 with Tambour griff safety, patentet in austria in 1906
scope on vienna snap mount with an old WW 1 unit marking

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#356879 - 18/09/21 11:01 PM

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another remarkable Haenel 1909 coming from austria, 7x64 caliber

Sorry, not a Haenel model 1909, but their model 1900, grade 9.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: kuduae]
#356881 - 19/09/21 01:12 AM

I've never seen a safety like that. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: kuduae]
#356884 - 19/09/21 04:16 AM

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another remarkable Haenel 1909 coming from austria, 7x64 caliber

Sorry, not a Haenel model 1909, but their model 1900, grade 9.

did you see this grip safety before?

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#356886 - 19/09/21 06:23 AM

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another remarkable Haenel 1909 coming from austria, 7x64 caliber
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=14509896 with Tambour griff safety, patentet in austria in 1906
scope on vienna snap mount with an old WW 1 unit marking

Lancaster
would the unit marking mean this rifle was potentially used in WW1 as a sniper rifle, or was the scope used in WW1 & put on this rifle at a later date?
Unusual safety but it would certainly be effective.
Marvellous piece of kit here mate, in a cracking calibre too!
I'm not normally a MS man, but ones like this certainly would convert me

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: 93x64mm]
#356888 - 19/09/21 02:23 PM

we know that beside of military rifles also privat owned rifles were used for sniping in WW 1

Mannlicher M 95

and a Mannlicher Schönauer Stutzen

but I don't believe that such a privat gun would get a unit marking so thinking it was a scope used in the war but later sold as surplus(or someone take it home when the war ends) and came to this rifle with the mark

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#356891 - 19/09/21 02:49 PM

My grandfather used an issue Ross for sniping in WW1. His was a battle-field "promotion" to sniper(I was told).
He enlisted as a New Canadian.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: DarylS]
#356901 - 19/09/21 09:31 PM

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I've never seen a safety like that. Thanks for posting.

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did you see this grip safety before?

Not on a Haenel, but on Mannlichers, Mannlicher – Schoenauers, all sorts of break-open guns and even some early pistols. From 1900 to 1910 Joseph Tambour patented countless such safety contraptions for all sorts of firearms. Until 1905 his address was given as Vienna, Austria, later as Nanterre, France. Often he patented his grip safeties together with Franz Neuber, a gunmaker from Wiener Neustadt, Austria. Neuber built many custom rifles on altered Mannlicher actions, often styled like earlier alpine Ischler Stutzen. Most likely all such Tambour safeties were installed by Neuber as he held the patents.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: kuduae]
#356908 - 20/09/21 12:58 AM

thanks

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