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THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??...
      #229999 - 13/05/13 09:28 AM

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/2012/01/13/what-is-the-%e2%80%98best%e2%80%99-magnum-cartridge/

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: Ripp]
      #230002 - 13/05/13 09:46 AM

I don't use any Magnums anymore, thou there maybe a 7saum LR rifle in the future.
When I could handle the recoil, there was little I didn't do with a 300wby. Excellent choice for everything right up to the ones that will stomp you. The bitey ones are handled quite well with it.
I have spent more than a little time with the .375H&H as well. Truly the best "One Gun" if heavy came is a going concern as well as do to the size for the pot.
Of the stoppers I pretty much settled, thou it is hardly "settling", on the 458Lott in a bolt and the 450NE in a double.

300wby
375H&H
458Lott...............would surely do all that is needed to do.


now-a-days I use a .22, .240, .256 and my cannon is a 8x54KJ

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: Ripp]
      #230036 - 14/05/13 02:34 AM

I don't understand the sense of this report . There are a lot of Magnum cartridges of all calibers .

What he mean with the "Best" magnum cartridge ?

A cartridge is the "Best" if ideally suited for a game and adapted for all situation related to this hunt .

A good question were what do we need really and what is superfluous , sometimes ridiculous !

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: grandveneur]
      #230045 - 14/05/13 03:57 AM

simple question - simple answer

the best magnum cartridge? 9,3x64 Brennecke






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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: lancaster]
      #230051 - 14/05/13 04:50 AM

The 9,3x64 is a very good cartridge , but without a belt , that's not a "Magnum" !

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: grandveneur]
      #230057 - 14/05/13 05:45 AM


There are good socalled "magnums" out there, but then there are magnums and then there are MAGNUMS.

True magnums magnum most be a .378Wea or in the old world Holland & Hollands .577/500 Magnum.

I have the .378Wea, but in pursue of the .577/500 Magnum.

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: grandveneur]
      #230058 - 14/05/13 05:56 AM

I actually use a few on a regular basis here..


The 300RUM is my go to gun for elk..use the .257 Weatherby almost exclusively on antelope and mule deer..have used the .416 Remington on all my African hunts with incredible results..and just last year used the .264 Win on elk which worked very well...have also used the 338RUM on elk..but as stated, really don’t see the need for that much power for elk...

Agree as stated above, seems as I get older don’t find it as necessary to get out the big guns as often..but still fun time to time...

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: Caprivi]
      #230060 - 14/05/13 05:59 AM

.44 Magnum.

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: bonanza]
      #230065 - 14/05/13 06:26 AM

Lancaster has the right perspective!
Firstly a "magnum" is a bigger/more powerful version of an existing calibre. True H&H may have coined the phrase with the belted .375 H&H; certainly much more powerful than the .375 Velopex which correct me if I'm wrong gents was the original belted case? - it was used for headspacing not extra material at the case head to hold back higher pressures.
Then came the arms race with the 9.3x62! This set the cat amongst the British pigeons & boy did they deliver. The .375H&H, .416 Rigby, .404 Jeffery,.425 WR just to name a few!
So our German friend Wilhelm Brenneke decided to up the ante - aka 9.3x64mm......Sorry gents but it tops the .375H&H.
Not to be out done Mr Weatherby made the .378 Weatherby Magnum & the velocity then went through the roof!

Now this is where Grandveneur is correct...."A good question were what do we need really and what is superfluous , sometimes ridiculous !"
We all like certain rounds, sometimes just for a name (Rigby), a calibre (.425WR) or a legend (Bell's 7x57mm) - it really doesn't matter what calibre we like, magnum or otherwise; superfluous numbers of rifles(sorry if I could afford more I would - & yes I certain agree with Rignymauser - a .577/500 Magnum would be neat!
So there gents - you are all correct - its all perspective!

But the 9.3x64mm is the best design & more efficient than the .375H&H....sorry folks I'm biased!
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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: 93x64mm]
      #230066 - 14/05/13 06:48 AM


9.3

I agree with you, the 64 is a superb case.
And that's from an Anglophile !!!


I think you are correct, the 375 Velopex
was the original belted case.

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230072 - 14/05/13 12:42 PM

I have owned and used magnums from 17 to 500, and I currently own and use few different magnum calibers.

My favorite is the first -- the NA&A 500/450 Magnum BPE 3-1/2"
I do not know of another magnum-named cartridge that precedes it.
In my Tolley it's a flat shooting ripper with the 350gr bullet.




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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: tinker]
      #230073 - 14/05/13 01:08 PM

404 Jeffrey with modern load of 400gn @ 2400 and a reload 300gn at a modest 2650. All you need.

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: kamilaroi]
      #230083 - 14/05/13 07:58 PM

Have to be the 270wsm for Aus wouldn't it?
I like the RUMS as well.

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: 93x64mm]
      #230087 - 14/05/13 11:23 PM

@ 9.3X64 does anyone build a good off the shelf 9.3X64 rifle?

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: Don]
      #230088 - 15/05/13 12:31 AM

No, but it´s very easy to convert from almost any 9,3x62 factory model.

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: Igorrock]
      #230089 - 15/05/13 12:45 AM

A genuine magnum most appear convincing in size , and deliver the message in the most spectacular way in comparison to it's smaller brothers. It must be an exercise in show of force.

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: rigbymauser]
      #230091 - 15/05/13 01:51 AM

Quote:

A genuine magnum most appear convincing in size , and deliver the message in the most spectacular way in comparison to it's smaller brothers.


So I suppose .505 Gibbs or .500 Jeffery aka. 12,7x70 Schüler. Both without belt but with stopping power enough.





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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: Igorrock]
      #230093 - 15/05/13 02:13 AM

The game dictates what is needed for stopping power.

My .17 Rimfire Magnum has not let an enraged gopher get me yet. It converts the close ones into chunks. I don't think the .505 would be necessary. "Use enough gun".

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: Don]
      #230095 - 15/05/13 03:46 AM

Quote:

@ 9.3X64 does anyone build a good off the shelf 9.3X64 rifle?



Some German / European makers do.

I have a Frankonia in one.

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: Igorrock]
      #230096 - 15/05/13 04:05 AM

Quote:

Quote:

A genuine magnum most appear convincing in size , and deliver the message in the most spectacular way in comparison to it's smaller brothers.


So I suppose .505 Gibbs or .500 Jeffery aka. 12,7x70 Schüler. Both without belt but with stopping power enough.







My point exactly!!.

A magnum must by it´s appearence signal no bs.

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: rigbymauser]
      #230097 - 15/05/13 04:19 AM

Quote:

Some German / European makers do.

I have a Frankonia in one.



You right, I haven`t noticed that even Blaser have it. That´s good !

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: Igorrock]
      #230098 - 15/05/13 04:24 AM


I think the take off in popularity of the 9.3x62
has put paid to the 64 taking off more.

Yes, some who "find" the 9.3 calibre might get a custom one made but in terms of numbers, factory rifles will now focus on the 62.

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230100 - 15/05/13 06:00 AM

I agree - the 9.6x62 has literally 'taken off'. Once people realize it is not restricted to it's factory loaded level of 1923 ballistics when hand loaded, it should increase further in popularity. On the other hand, being a mild mannered, but git'er-dun kind of round has appeal too.

John Taylor noted in "African Rifles and Cartridges" that the increased speeds to 2,340fps for the 286gr. were not necessary for any African Game. He said the original ballistics driving both soft and solid 286gr. at 2,175fps was plenty.


Those original 9.3x62 ballistics sound like a slightly more modern loaded 9.3x57 M46 Husky, don't they.

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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230101 - 15/05/13 06:05 AM

Well here's a challenge for the "big" companies like CZ, Mauser or even Ruger to offer the 9.3x64mm in a factory rifle........amongst other fine older calibres including the 10.75x68mm or even the .404 Jeffery?
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Re: THE BEST MAGNUM CARTRIDGE??... [Re: 93x64mm]
      #230102 - 15/05/13 08:25 AM


9.3

I agree. Would love to see a factory rifle or two
but I just don't think it will happen.

Although can't see any reason to offer the 10.75
if offering the 404J,


Daryl
I reckon the fact that Tikka offer it in a variety of rifles was why it took off, especially in Australia and probably in other countries as well.
That's just my personal opinion.

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