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chapmen
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Old german riflescopes......
#229730 - 05/05/13 06:27 PM

Just had to play with my new EOS 650D...........

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Edited by CptCurl (04/06/13 09:03 PM)

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xausa
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: chapmen]
#229739 - 06/05/13 04:09 AM

What a collection! Are you a dealer as well as a collector?

It is interesting to note how many of the scopes used soldered "rings", and how many of the actual rings were of the one piece variety, which would mean that the scope would have to be at least pattially disassembled in order to fit them. Even in the US, two piece rings didn't appear to be popular until the late 1930's.

I don't notice any scopes with alloy tubes and rails among the ones pictured, so I am assuming that they are all or mostly all from the pre-World War I era.

Although I recognise some of the scopes and makers, most are a mystery.

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chapmen
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: xausa]
#229741 - 06/05/13 04:50 AM

I am only an collector. Soldering the rings was usual in germany since the beginning of 1900. It was one of the big problem - the scope had to be dissasembeld for soldering. The two piece rings was not used often in germany before 1945.
The pics shows about 40% of my collection, so there is only one alloy with rail on the last pic- the one in the middle of the first row. With these the problems of using rings were away, first offered around 1928.

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jaz
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: chapmen]
#229767 - 06/05/13 11:02 AM

Beautiful stuff!. I love the vintage german scopes. I once had a Zeiss Zielmultar which was memorable. The claw mount system is a thing of beauty!

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dons
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: xausa]
#229777 - 06/05/13 08:09 PM

Your scope collection is quite impressive.

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John303
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: dons]
#229809 - 08/05/13 03:57 AM

Chapmen - That is one "astonishing" collection of scopes, must have taken a year / two to amass that many.
Having said that and if I understand correctly the scopes of that day usually were numbered with
the same number as the rifle.

You wouldn't have one numbered 16290 per chance? --- John

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chapmen
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: John303]
#229812 - 08/05/13 05:09 AM

Hello John,
i have seen mounts that were numbered to the rifle, but havent seen civilian scopes numbered to rifles.
Same number as rifle was used by military riflescopes, those scopes have to numbers, the serial number of the manufactorer and the number of the rifle.
Mike

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Carlos
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: chapmen]
#229813 - 08/05/13 06:22 AM

New member, I am hoping Chapmen or some other member can help me identify a German scope that came on an Austrian drilling. The maker is TEII, Wetzlar, Germany, 4X81, serial # 25979, no other ID
other than under the cap of the single turret , elevation is indicated in English , has arrow for UP. Scope has rails and claw mounts. Any information regarding who this maker is , quality , or anything else is greatly appreciated.

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justcurious
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: Carlos]
#229825 - 08/05/13 07:06 PM

Tell is the tradename for scopes of a company named Kaufmann.

They were build in Wetzlar where many companies like Hensoldt produced scopes and other optical devices.
Difficult to name the maker of that special scope.

Tell scopes should not be mingled with the arms maker Tell ( Venus-Waffenwerke , Zella-Mehlis).

The name "Tell" has its origin in the Swiss freedomfighter Wilhelm Tell a renowned crossbow shooter, standing for precise shooting capability.

Edited by justcurious (08/05/13 07:10 PM)

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HeymSR20
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: justcurious]
#229826 - 08/05/13 08:31 PM

What's the lens quality like on these old scopes. Appreciate that some may well be somewhat scratched, but how well does one in good condition compare with modern GeRman optics?

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Carlos
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: HeymSR20]
#229843 - 09/05/13 04:10 AM

Justcurious , thank you for the info on my scope. Do have another question regarding how the focus was adjusted on this scope.
The scope came on a Ludwig Borovnick ( Ferlach ) bock drilling , the three barrels being - 270 Winch, 16 Ga. and 22 LR. This scope is perfectly in focus inside of 10 yards. I have never seen any other scope with non adjustable objective to be in focus and no parallax problem , that close.
How uncommon is this for a German scope ? I'm amazed and delighted to be able to shoot the 22 LR at any distance . Appreciate your comments .

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justcurious
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: Carlos]
#229864 - 09/05/13 06:28 PM

Don´t know if I understand your problem correctly.

Parallaxe set is done by factory on nearly all scopes of German origin to 100 m .That means you have no real problems between 50 - 150 m. Special order settings normally could be realised.

Focussing , if not by turning the ocular , is normally done by a wheel in the turret .

A picture of your scope could help.

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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: justcurious]
#229870 - 09/05/13 07:43 PM

just a little homework chapman, find all the rifles belonging to your scopes

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chapmen
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: lancaster]
#229889 - 10/05/13 03:54 AM

This would be an deal. Its quite inetresting to think about where all these were gone.......
An other part of my collection are permits for weapons, oldest one is around 1870.
So i have about 75 of this till 1945, 90 % german. Also this would be homework to find the guns that are documented in these cards (Waffenschein).

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Carlos
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: chapmen]
#229894 - 10/05/13 05:36 AM

I did not state that I had a problem with this scope, all the contrary, I'm delighted that it can focus at such close ranges. Since one of the calibers on the drilling is 22 LR -( ie relative close range shooting), I'm VERY pleased that the scope can focus and be free of parallax at close range.
My question was - how uncommon is that for a German scope, I don't own or have ever seen a German/Austrian scope ( NON adjustable objective type ) that could focus at such close range.

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HeymSR20
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: Carlos]
#229916 - 10/05/13 06:35 PM

My nickel supra 1-4 x20 gives very clear focused image at 6feet at its lowest settings. My Zeiss 6x42 is slightly fuzzy at 15, but clear enough to take a shot. My Swarovski 4-12x50, is in focus on 4 power at 15 feet, but at top power it's more like 30 to 40. Have nt a clue about the paralex bit, but in the real world at close range not much to worry about.

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justcurious
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: Carlos]
#229919 - 10/05/13 08:52 PM

I would say it is quite common that the type of riflescopes you mentioned focus from 10 m on upwards.

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Hubert
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: chapmen]
#230619 - 28/05/13 04:54 PM

Wonderful , Chapmen .
I have a small collection of 22mm scopes from between the wars .But nothing like yours.
One point : I note that in one photograph you have shot of what appears to be cotton reels . Or... is that some kind of thread for repairing reticles ( graticles ) ?
I have had to throw a few scopes in a drawer because the reticles are damaged .
I would have liked to repair them

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chapmen
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: Hubert]
#230766 - 02/06/13 05:04 AM

Thats in deed the original wire for reticles.
Rebuilding reticles is an little bit difficult but if you know how it is no problem.

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Hubert
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Re: Old german riflescopes...... [Re: chapmen]
#231086 - 11/06/13 07:50 PM

Chapmen
How do you do it ?
The wire is so fine that when I tried I failed miserably .
Please explain .

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