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DonT
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Seeking Info on a Gust Meffert Drilling
      #229548 - 01/05/13 11:36 PM

I am beginning to feel that Collecting Drillings is an addiction..
I added a Hammer gun to collection. It is marked Gust:Meffert but after doing a bit of searching I am finding information on all kinds of Mefferts but no Gust:Meffert. Also most of the hammer guns I am finding have a "long tail" on the locks going well down the wrist where this one is about half the length others are. I have included some pictures and would appreciate any information folks could offer.. it is a 16 ga. X 16ga X 9.3/72R. The shotgun chambers are 2 1/2" with Improved Modified choke and Full+, marked Nitro. I have not slugged the barrel yet to check the bore diameter but maybe this weekend, it is marked 8.8 and the 9.3X72R rounds seem to drop in just fine so my assumption is that the seller was correct on the rifle caliber as he included 9 boxes of ammo with the gun.
Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.... Don





























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Re: Seeking Info on a Gust Meffert Drilling [Re: DonT]
      #229551 - 02/05/13 12:02 AM

Field / Groove diameter of the 9,3x72R : 8,75mm / 9,25mm . On the german rifle you can read the field or the groove diameter of the rifle .

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Re: Seeking Info on a Gust Meffert Drilling [Re: grandveneur]
      #229590 - 02/05/13 09:26 AM

Such underlever hammer drillings with those small, egg-shaped backlocks are not as unusual as you think. They are featured in every German gun catalog, wholesalers as well as mail order houses, from about 1910 to 1930 and are encountered with many retailer's names engraved on the top ribs.
German proofhouses from 1893 to 1936 stamped only the bore/land diameter of a rifle barrel. The Suhl proofhouse used the mm dimensions in .1mm increments from 1912 on. The nearby Zella-Mehlis proofhouse started earlier, in 1911, but added below the bore diameter, the case length and the proof date, numbers for the month and last digits for the year, and a ledger number for that month from the start. Suhl only added case length and date from 1923 on, so your drilling was proofed in Suhl between 1912 and 1923, as no other marks are shown on your photos, unless there are marks not shown yet.
The small town Heinrichs bei = near Suhl was independent until 1936 when it was amalgamated into Suhl.
The Gewehrfabrik = gun factory (every small gunmaker with more than a half dozen men and some lathes and milling machines called his workshop a "Gewehrfabrik" then) Gustav Meffert there was first mentioned in 1888. They advertized as "makers of hunting and target arms, specialists for drillings, cape guns, garden guns and repairs". Obviously they were mostly gunmakers to the trade, making "economy" guns for sale by wholesalers and country gunshops. In 1926 they pleaded bankruptcy.

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Re: Seeking Info on a Gust Meffert Drilling [Re: kuduae]
      #229598 - 02/05/13 11:31 AM

Kuduae & Grandveneur ,

Thanks so much for the information I very much appreciate it. It is alwys nice to put a little history together with these old guns. Each time I look the gun over I am amazed at the quality put forth by the craftsman of that time. No CNC's or computers, no modern molding or forging equipment or lasers. Just the very basic in manual lathes and mills, lots of patience and pride in their craft. Even guns like this that were "economy guns" put many of todays fireams to shame.

Again thank you for your time and the education..

Respectfully,
Don

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Re: Seeking Info on a Gust Meffert Drilling [Re: DonT]
      #229707 - 05/05/13 04:21 AM

Imman Meffert is familiar- high quality stuff!
Doug

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Re: Seeking Info on a Gust Meffert Drilling [Re: gungadoug]
      #229711 - 05/05/13 06:13 AM

The Immanuel Meffert company is indeed well known, but there were 7 other gunmakers with Meffert as a family name too, unrelated to the Immanuel Meffert company: Gustav, Johann, R., Max, Alfred, Georg and the Meffert brothers. Same problem with Heym (60), Merkel (12), Funk (37), Anschuetz (86)and many other familiar sounding names.

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Re: Seeking Info on a Gust Meffert Drilling [Re: kuduae]
      #231246 - 17/06/13 11:09 AM

Don, can you post an image of the Nitro stamp? Curious what the Prima Stahl - Bismark Stahl might have been? Some left over Bismark steel? The tubes were either by Gebhard Helmuthäuser or sourced from the Carl Gottlieb Haenel facility. Anyone now if any other Haenels wear Bismark steel? The lower tube is of Krupp steel.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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DonT
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Re: Seeking Info on a Gust Meffert Drilling [Re: ellenbr]
      #231273 - 18/06/13 11:32 AM

Raimey,

Here is a picture of Nitro marking. I really appreciate all the input.

Respectfully,
DonT



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