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jumpnj
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sharps identifacation
      #229467 - 30/04/13 01:19 PM

hello fellows
recently picked up two single shots
first is sharps r.s. lawrence carbin
second is rem rolling block e rem and son
looking for identifacation info on both
any websites
will post pictures as soon as i can

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aromakr
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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: jumpnj]
      #229482 - 30/04/13 11:36 PM

Post some pictures and I will do what I can. I collected Sharps rifles for many years, when they were relatively inexpensive (1960's) I have a large library on single shot rifles.
Bob

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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: jumpnj]
      #229483 - 30/04/13 11:57 PM

R.S Lawrence, Didn't he patent the tape priming devise? Have had a few original sharps in my collecting days. But now like the sharps my memory is starting to go too. Al

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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: Al333]
      #229491 - 01/05/13 02:26 AM

I seem to remember the rear barrel sight being Lawrence, have to look up on the priming device.

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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: 450_EXPRESS]
      #229606 - 02/05/13 12:48 PM





















#2 photo is of top of lock left side
#4 is bottom tang has a w stamp behind trigger
#3 is close up of #8 showing c stamp above patent marks on left side
there is a cretuich on stock above saddle ring {long oval with ether ET or EF inside







Edited by CptCurl (07/05/13 08:57 PM)

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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: jumpnj]
      #229632 - 03/05/13 12:20 AM

As I understand the self primers, the Sharps used a Lawrence automatic tape primer system, revised many times from individual cap feed in the model 1849 Slant Breech Sharps rifle. the originals might have been Sharps patents, but the Lawrence being adapted later on, which used a tape-type primer strip similar to the Maynard tape primer. These changes occurred over a fairly short period of time. The cap-lock military guns of the 50's etc. used the Maynard tape priming device.

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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: DarylS]
      #229648 - 03/05/13 06:35 AM

hello
pics not very good this is a center fire cartridge gun
i think it is a converted 63 model

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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: jumpnj]
      #229672 - 03/05/13 11:34 PM

You have basically all close up photos, need some pic's of entire rifle.
Bob

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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: aromakr]
      #229675 - 04/05/13 01:43 AM

Yes - appears to be a converted caplock, probably during the 1867 Government contract, wherein the .52 percussion guns were shipped back to Sharps and were converted to CF for the new .50/70 government ctg.
Most or all conversions left the priming devices on the lock plates.
The conversion .50/70 Carbine barrel I have is stamped 1859.

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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: DarylS]
      #229682 - 04/05/13 06:16 AM

hello
i posted all closeup because i was interisted in all the stampeing
S on some parts and C on others L on the breechblock
will post more pics


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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: jumpnj]
      #229694 - 04/05/13 11:59 AM

trying to make a dissision
sell or rebarrel and restock
if i rebarrel what cartridge blackpowder or smokless powder















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Al333
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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: jumpnj]
      #229696 - 04/05/13 12:42 PM

Don't re-barrel it. It is to valuable as a collector. sell it and you will get enough money to buy a good shooter. Al

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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: Al333]
      #229698 - 04/05/13 02:14 PM

If you decide to sell it,I'm looking for a conversion with a bad barrel.I have a new,(old) octagon barrel,threaded for a sharps and chambered in 40-70.The barrel was made pre 1900,but never used.It just wouldn't be right to mount it on a new Shilo or C.Sharps action.

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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: rglenz]
      #229713 - 05/05/13 07:59 AM

hello guys
should have stated in first post
barrel is not original and is not tight in receiver
i think it will chamber a 45-70
behined the barrel band there is 3 or 4 holes drilled and taped

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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: jumpnj]
      #229907 - 10/05/13 02:06 PM

well i have decided to sell the sharps anyboby interristed send pm

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Re: sharps identifacation [Re: jumpnj]
      #229927 - 11/05/13 12:24 AM

If it has a .45/70 barrel, perhaps the extractor has been altered from the original. The .50/70, original chambering, requires a different length extractor (larger diameter rim) than the .45/70 ctg.

I have an original barrel for that rifle, chambered .50/70. It is in nice shape, but has been browned & has no rear sight with it.(It's on my other Sharps)

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