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W.D.M. Bell
      #228133 - 05/04/13 07:52 PM

Hi Gentlemen,

I want to pull knowledge from your collective brains, as I know there are many fellows here very well versed in both practical African lore, and also many who have read far longer and wider than I have, regarding Africa.

In regards to Mr. Bell, in my internet wanderings I keep coming across negative references to him, often in threads where his marksmanship, or number of kills, are spoken of. The gist of it is: he didn't care about a clean kill, was a lawless poacher, scattered wounded elephants all over the place, etc.

In the reading I have done, I've never run into anything factual that supports this. In fact, to hear the man's words from his own pen and his own mouth, you can tell he desired a clean kill above most things. It only makes economic sense, too. No one out in the wilderness for months, perhaps years, wastes valuable ammunition if they can help it. Umm, the Lado Enclave WAS pretty much lawless, and without law, and bag-limits, and quotas, how can you be considered a poacher?

Now, my questions are these:

I suspect that much of this ill-will is internet "experts" sour grapes, and that oft-seen desire to drag down the other man, to make oneself seem greater. I also think a lot of the ill-will is impressing modern values onto a time where they didn't exist. I suspect people see "1000+ elephants" and recoil, with a resulting backlash.

Does anyone know the source of these mumblings? Any actual facts? A well-known African writer calling Bell down? A modern, prolific gun-writer with Bell-envy?

I've been curious about this for a while.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228151 - 06/04/13 05:35 AM

Jealousy imo. From his writings he seems kosher.

I remember reading a capstick book where he was rather scorning of Jim Corbett,that really pissed me off.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: gryphon]
      #228153 - 06/04/13 07:02 AM

Yeah... Brain shots on elephant with a .275Rigby...clearly a poor marksman.

Does smack of sour grapes although the application of today's "sensibilities" could also be a factor.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Huvius]
      #228156 - 06/04/13 07:14 AM

"I remember reading a capstick book where he was rather scorning of Jim Corbett,that really pissed me off."

Capstick takes a lot of liberties, in search of a better story, I think. Comparing his later stuff with his earlier, he seems very jaded. Hadn't read that one :/ In a lot of ways, that's even worse. The man is revered in India, and for good reason.

I hate this need to drag others down. People never seem to realize, that lifting others up is a much better way to live. That way you're both the greater.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: gryphon]
      #228157 - 06/04/13 07:23 AM

Bell was not the only one who shot over one thousand elephant and countless numbers of other game, most of those early professional hunters clocked up similar numbers even up until the middle of the last century men with such as J A Hunter also having scored over 1000 elephant and huge numbers of other game.

Bell has been scorned at times because he made most use of small bore rifles to effect his tally and that is just not on old chap!! I don't know that Bell was recoil shy as many say that he was, it was just that he found that he had the calmness and ability to shoot accurately with the small bores 303, 6.5, 7mm, and 318 to get his animals. Like all those early pioneering hunters, Bell did wound and lose a few animals until he found the killing spots. Remember in those days there were no illustrated books, videos, DVD's or accompanying PH's to teach them how to do it, they were the pioneering hunters. When reading about many of these hunters of old, most started their careers as young boys sent out from the British Isles to get them out of their families hair.

Of course now many seem to have developed a habit of scorning anything that happened before their lifetime and in the case of African hunting, the game is now build like Sherman or Tiger tanks and needs the biggest and flashest firearms and equipment to hunt. The bullets of old are useless and nothing short of a 375H&H with flat nose homogenous bullets can be used on dik diks and once we get into the realm of the elephant then it seems we need laser guided missiles to effect a kill on them. It is compulsory for the hunter of today to plaster himself with every chemical known to man to prevent all the dreaded diseases and make sure he is dressed in the latest logoed hunting clothes he can find, not forgetting the baby wipes to clean up the animal and a clean shirt to put on for the photo session. Probably needs some lights and boards to get the photo shoot just right too.

Just about forgot, the modern hunter needs a reasonable sized entourage of wives and friends, the mistress is probably acceptable too, so he can receive as many hugs and pats on the back as possible after he has gut shot and chased his animal all over the countryside, given up, and then let the PH finish the job.

It is just so easy to sit back and pour scorn on these hunters of old whose lives and feats we will never emulate and of course are no longer here to defend themselves.

That's my thought for the day.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228160 - 06/04/13 07:32 AM

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Capstick takes a lot of liberties, in search of a better story, I think.





Agree and have read that before.


Re Bell and Small bores, makes me remember culling Buff here in Aus, me with 375H&H, mate with I think 338WM. Anyway, had 21 or so down on the ground in a straight line but a two cows and a calf which were at the front (and too far to shoot) got away. Mate toddles off, finds them, 3 shots. Went back later, 3 head shots with a 6.5mm.

After so many years, thousands of buffalo and knowing the "sweet spots", it can be done.

So Bell might have made the odd mistake at first - who doesn't but I think he got it right in the end !!!


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: 500Nitro]
      #228161 - 06/04/13 08:40 AM

Name me a hunter who shoots in even a tiny fraction of those quantities, and doesn't make a mistake at times. Its inevitable.

You can tell in reading Bell's books that he regretted every one, and tried to learn from them. You can't ask for more than that.

"It is just so easy to sit back and pour scorn on these hunters of old whose lives and feats we will never emulate and of course are no longer here to defend themselves."

Good post, and I absolutely agree.

Edited by Even (06/04/13 08:43 AM)


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228174 - 06/04/13 03:20 PM

I remember reading that Bell used a crosscut saw to cut up elephants heads, so he could learn their anatomy. This enabled him learn where to aim and from what angle so he could hit the brain. I don't know how many others went to that lenght.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Rule303]
      #228206 - 07/04/13 04:08 AM

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I remember reading that Bell used a crosscut saw to cut up elephants heads, so he could learn their anatomy. This enabled him learn where to aim and from what angle so he could hit the brain. I don't know how many others went to that lenght.




I've read the same thing..when considering accuracy of Bell vs Capstick..my money is on Bell...while Captstick has many adventures he wrote about..there are some in Africa that state just that..they were adventures..just not his...

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Ripp]
      #228212 - 07/04/13 07:45 AM

I think you can tell just by reading the respective gentlemen. Mr. Bell was very matter-of-fact, and spare in his writing, letting the description of his hunts, and his actions, speak for themselves.

Mr. Capstick is a masterful raconteur, a very entertaining writer, but a huge percentage of his writing is of others experiences. Naturally, the accuracy would suffer. To what extent, I've no idea.

Not to take away anything from Capstick AS a writer. He's very good, and immensely enjoyable.

Also, and this is just personal thoughts as a fellow who has done a fair bit of writing: In order to hone your craft as a writer, you have to write a LOT. In order to be a great writer, you have to almost be compulsive about it. I think its very rare, that one finds a "Man of his hands" that IS a great writer, one that has great popular appeal.

A great hunter, is spending all his time HUNTING, not writing. A great writer is spending all his time writing, and not hunting.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228240 - 07/04/13 04:21 PM

In Bell's books, he pictures himself more as an explorer type, the "first white man into the Karamojo" for example.

In other books he is mentioned as one of the poachers of the Lado. The Lado was a lawless area with control vacated by the control of the Belgian sovereign before control was re-asserted by Belgian and other gov'ts. The elephant hunters there made good use of the loss of temporary control.

But many of these hunters also did hunt the Lado after legal control was asserted. One book mentions how they would cross the river from Uganda, into Belgian territory, hunt and flee back across the river when Belgian authorities chased them.

If I remember rightly when Roosevelt passed through that area, Bell was reported to be "across the river" at the time. Though it may have been someone else.

A person writes his memoirs in a favourable light. Some write in more honest manner, others not. Who knows sometimes which it is with which writer? We know which one Crapstick was .... though his fiction is enjoyable. A lot of the "non-fictional" African stories of Karen Blixen/Isak Dineson for example were also fictional stories.

Bell is one of my historical heroes and one of the greatest "Gentlemen Adventurors" of all time for me.

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Edited by NitroX (07/04/13 04:24 PM)


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: NitroX]
      #228247 - 07/04/13 08:14 PM

"Bell is one of my historical heroes and one of the greatest "Gentlemen Adventurors" of all time for me"

I have to agree, John, and same here. Its the reason I started this thread...not that it makes a difference really in the grand scheme of things. More for my own interest.

I just keep running into people calling him down, and wondered if there was any basis for the negativity, in reading I haven't done. I know there are some well-read people here.

I suppose technically, its all poaching. Some of it seems a little more "moral" than others, if that makes sense, but I guess it just depends on what side of the river you're on, or who claims they own the deer in the King's forest. They lacked the information we have today, obviously.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228251 - 07/04/13 09:29 PM

I've never tried to draw a chronological line on his books and adventures, read them for pleasure, but I feel the adventures in the Karamoja were before the Lado Enclave times. I need to place where the Karamoja is in Uganda or Southern Sudan but the Lado Enclave was definitely what is now the Congo, Sudan and Uganda corner of those countries.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: NitroX]
      #228294 - 08/04/13 08:11 AM





Thar ye be!

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228295 - 08/04/13 08:25 AM

Credit where credit is due...I found the map a while back in this article, which I found very interesting:

http://www.karamoja.com/journey_into_karamoja.html


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228305 - 08/04/13 10:30 AM

That is awesome to look at as well as very interesting....

Must have been amazing to see that country back in that time...

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Ripp]
      #228349 - 09/04/13 01:06 AM

Interesting.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: NitroX]
      #228354 - 09/04/13 02:12 AM

Yes it is interesting , but Karamoja is not very safe . I was there 1994 in the aera of Moroto . Each Karimojong was armed with a AK-47 , no authority , and a permanent conflict with gunfight's between this people and theirs neighbors the Pokoots concerning cattle stealing ! I think nothing has changed .

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: grandveneur]
      #228356 - 09/04/13 02:30 AM

I forget , a hunting aera for the society of gentlemens adventurers ! Adventure and a taste of colonial war are garanteed .

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: grandveneur]
      #228364 - 09/04/13 06:18 AM

I certainly get the impression its still the Wild Frontier there. The topography looks awfully nice, but dryyyy. We Wetland boys might shrivel up into a husk...

Look on the bright side, Grandveneur...I suspect people aren't in favor of gun control


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228371 - 09/04/13 07:40 AM

Bush and open savanna , very dry and different compared to the south-west side of Uganda with high mountains , riparian forest and lakes .

I don't saw elefants ! A lot of buffalos and antelopes but no elefants . All killed by Karamoja Bell i suppose !

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: grandveneur]
      #228383 - 09/04/13 10:25 AM

I don't think elephants and AK-47s get along too well

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228658 - 13/04/13 12:24 PM

No AK47s on open display in Karamoja anymore, except from uniformed men. Those that have not been confiscated or surrendered are carefully hidden and taken out only for the occasional cattle raid.

The region is magnificent, scarcely populated, and still quite wild. Elephants are doing well, especially in the North. Buffalo is aplenty, plains game is slowly picking up now that it is not continually shot at.

As for dryness... The dry season this year lasted from mid-January to early April only, and heavy rains ("heavy" is a solid understatement in this regard - this much did not change from Bell's days) are an almost daily occurrence. Just a few years ago you could count on 5-6 months of dry weather, not anymore apparently.

Now, Mr. Bell himself... Well, as someone else pointed out, you just need to read the gentleman's books to have a glimpse of his character. Straightforward, no-nonsense, no bulldung. Contrary to his armchair detractors who for the most part would be incapable to take a taxi in Kampala by themselves, Mr. Bell had balls in cast iron.

He roamed a region where the main pastime of the locals was to poke spears through their neighbour's ribcage, and law was totally unexisting. All by himself among the locals, organising his own safaris. Anybody even remotely acquainted with African logistics can appreciate what it means to organise some 400-odd natives, and keep them in line for months on, completely out of any supply line, with threats from two- and four-legged predators.

And poaching... Poaching what from who? Who gave any right to the King of Belgium or old George or Victoria over the land and elephants and whatever else belonging to the Karimojong, Dinka, Acholi, Allur, Pokot, Toposa, Baganda, Aliab, or whoever else? Poaching? When the local chiefs and elders and kings were in full accord with the hunter, and everybody around benefited from meat, salaries, rewards, trade? Poaching what? Bell shot 1000 bull elephants in his career, only 5 years of which were in Karamoja. That's at most 150 bulls per year in an area of 20 to 30,000 square miles, where herds were plentiful. In the fifties and sixties, 20,000 elephants were culled in Northern Uganda to make space for agriculture...

Just for a note, the Karimojongs still remember Bell, and some people bear his name even to this day. Talk to the elders, and you'll notice that they have much more respect for him than for most any white man who came ever since. Now, let any self-righteous all-knowing specialist come here, and try to earn the respect of the Karimojongs... That will be funny to watch.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Kano]
      #228666 - 13/04/13 02:34 PM

Bell is certainly an icon and we wouldn't want our icons attacked.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: tophet1]
      #228668 - 13/04/13 04:10 PM

Kano, thank you for that post, it's very much appreciated. I think it says a lot when the people Bell hunted among still respect him after all this time.

I don't know if its so much attacking an icon, Tophet1...that always happens anyway. It just irks me when ability and character are denigrated on little-to-no solid evidence, so I wanted to find out the real story, from people with African experience. I was thinking there were stories circulating I was unaware of, or something.

I was rereading Pondoro lately, and he certainly had a high opinion of Bell. He also would be qualified to judge, I should think!


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