mehulkamdar
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At Heym USA. A beautiful if unusual rifle.
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Igorrock
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Is that normal or magnum action ?
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500Nitro
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Looks like a standard action to me.
Don't like the stock but what provenance !
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grandveneur
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Imho a normal action .
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500Nitro
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It has the cut out at the rear, this wouldn't be needed
on a Magnum action.
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rigbymauser
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Whatever happen to Jack?. I know he doesn´t live anymore thats all.
I have always enjoyed his articals to the full. I think he was just as a good as Ross Seyfried.
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lancaster
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dont forget to safe the pics 
the wood is not my taste, btw
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Huvius
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I think this rifle either sold a couple years ago and is back on the market, or they may just be leaving it on the site for interest.
All in all, a well executed rifle other than the choice of wood and the front sight doesn't look to be particularly well fit.
Regarding the wood, is maple inherently more brittle than walnut?
Seems like there would be all sorts of opportunity for a birdseye maple stock to form cracks, especially in a .458 Lott.
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grandveneur
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I like the stock , but maple wood is less elastic than walnut . May be a problem by rifle's with strong recoil .
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FrankFarmer
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Mr. Jack Lott was able to accomplish what most of us only dream of. I am only interested in double rifles and this site because of his writings. If he wanted a maple stock the choice was his! With his connections and ample experience I’m sure he could have had this stock made out of any wood on this planet, he chose maple for a reason. We may never know what that reason was but, Im sure we can assume that he knew what he was doing?
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paradox_
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Ill put this out there!
That is one of the ugliest rifles I have seen for a while, inexpensively built and a piece of furniture wood for a stock!
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gryphon
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Ill put this out there!
That is one of the ugliest rifles I have seen for a while, inexpensively built and a piece of furniture wood for a stock!
When the big surly brown bear comes a`running Eric i`d be very happy to have my hand on Mr Ugly!
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paradox_
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I knew Id get a rise from you John !!!
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gryphon
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Eric when you see whats in my gun safe you will know straightaway why Lotts rifle isn't ugly in my eyes,I have a few roughies indeed....its a poor tradesman that blames his tools as the old adage go`s..
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Homer
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G'Day Fella's,
Can't help you with the Mauser action type but I'm pretty sure that the stock wood, is "Birds Eye" Maple!
If this stock has survived this long, I assume it was either Not Fired much, or perfectly good wood for a Brutal Rifle stock?
Doh!
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lancaster
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there is maybe steal in the stock, thats what I would to
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JUSTIN270
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Very nice. Too me anyway.
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paradox_
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Hey John
It never said it couldnt kill a Brown Bear, indeed in the absence of anything else I too would be happy to kill a Bear with it. It just wouldnt be my first choice, or second, or third, for that matter.
As for tradesmen blaming their tools, I dont recall blaming anything, anyone, for any reason?? , I just said it was ugly and inexpensively made. You disagree, no problem.
Roughies, yep we all have a couple, speaking of adages have you heared the one :" you dont know what you dont know"
you have my number if you need help with that.
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tophet1
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The rifle was built by Lon PAUL from memory. I have an article on it at home....12 days away.
I don't mind the furniture. Sure it doesn't meet current trends but it is what the owner wanted at the time.
Jack Lott was a bit flamboyant anyway, with a penchant for berets and neck scarfs and I'm sure the stock would have pleased him.
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FrankFarmer
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Most American built Kentucky and Pennsylvania style rifles were built with maple stocks, the fancy rifles had stocks of Birdseye maple. You must recall from your history books, these are the rifles that were used to defeat the British in the War of 1812? Maple is light and dense. Much harder than walnut, not prone to splitting, warping or dents. Perhaps Mr. Lott was using the tradition wood of America in his American .450 Lott.
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paradox_
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Most American built Kentucky and Pennsylvania style rifles were built with maple stocks, the fancy rifles had stocks of Birdseye maple. You must recall from your history books, these are the rifles that were used to defeat the British in the War of 1812? Maple is light and dense. Much harder than walnut, not prone to splitting, warping or dents. Perhaps Mr. Lott was using the tradition wood of America in his American .450 Lott.
Frank
One can hardly hold the Kentucky rifle up as an example of fine gunmaking. As for inferring that the Maple stocks in some magical way contributed to the defeat of the British, well I think that might be something of a fanciful stretch!
The fact is that Maple was probably used due to its ease of accessibility and cost.
Further on the subject of Military rifles, millions of Mausers were built using Walnut for their stocks, and as a result a very large proportion of them survive today.
Not withstanding your great respect for Mr Lott, the undisputed fact is that Walnut is, always has been, and always will be the wood of choice for any gunmaker worth his salt.
This is an undisputed fact.
Mr Lotts choice in this case , as already pointed out by a previous poster, was most likely due to his rather unusual propensities in regard to "style".
As you previously pointed out this was his choice. He also made other choices:
He chose to use an inexpensive ordinance action, when as you pointed he probably had access to any action he wanted, including the best of them all, Commercial Mausers
He chose to fit a square block to the rear bridge in what appears to be an attempt to make the action something it isn't
He chose to use a standard length action for a cartridge that ideally demands a Magnum length.
He chose to accept a poor standard of fit and finish, most likely in the case of the quarter rib and front sight, using some sort of pre machined, solder on parts. If in fact they are custom made, then they are of indifferent quality and finish.
With no disrespect, Mr Lott may have been responsible for stretching the 458 Win Mag, providing us with what is in this modern day a very popular cartridge.
Fortunatley many good makers are now providing us with finely made rifles using his legacy.
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FrankFarmer
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Making an argument with conviction does not make the argument true. Has anyone personally inspected this rifle to confirm all of these perceived faults? Why would Mr. Lon Paul and Mr. Jack Lott be wasting their time building and paying for such a pathetic piece of history?
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500Nitro
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Frank
You can see some of the "faults" in the photos
without having to inspect it.
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Igorrock
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You can see some of the "faults" in the photos
I can´t so educate me, please.
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While I do not like Birdseye Maple, maple is by far a much more stable and stronger wood than Walnut - any walnut, but to have this trait, it must be hard-rock maple, not the red or sugar maple. English Walnut is prised for it's figure and is much tough than American Black Walnut, which is one of the weakest and most easily inlet and finished of the walnuts. IMHO, of course.
Birdseye Maple is/was rarely used in the American Long Rifles - instead, tiger striped - ie: curly maple was the wood of choice for the 'best of the breed'.
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