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Vergueiro sporter project
      #224175 - 23/01/13 03:29 PM

have a Vergueiro project going on and because its a Mannlicher Schönauer clone I think its fits better into the mannlicher section.
the vergueiro rifle was a portugues attempt to get a MS M 1903 for a better price.




on the first view the action looking very strange but DWM/Berlin made a clone between a M 88 and a M 98 and if you going depper into this you become familiar.
the receiver is M 88 with a M 98 thumphole, bolt stop and mauser magazin with hinged floorplate. the bolt is the construction of vergueiro but follow the dimensions of the M88/M92/Mannlicher Schönauer bolt in general.


















it looks unique but DWM was using the machinery they allready had. because of this project here http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=177069&an=0&page=0#Post177069
I bought a deactivated rifle for my own. mismatched and without a wing safety but promising. with a 6,5mm barrel blank at hand I decided to make a 6,5x57.
original a 6,5x58 the common 6,5x57 comes very close to this.





now the barreled action is back from the proof house in Suhl and everything is allright. gunmaker have an old M 98 stock we will try to reutilise. seems to be a good idea I am allways short in time.
got an Zeiss Diatal 6x42 in very good shape with MS claw mount parts last year. quite likely it comes from an post war mannlicher schönauer and one shudder when thinking what they have done to this classic rifle after.









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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: lancaster]
      #224177 - 23/01/13 03:47 PM

Excellent purchase and project. My gunsmith built one in 7x57 and the quality in these actions is fantastic. He did get the stock copied however in a nicer walnut.

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: lancaster]
      #224178 - 23/01/13 03:49 PM

and btw, I was sniff around under the gunmakers workbench



looks like a new project will coming

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: lancaster]
      #224287 - 25/01/13 05:07 PM



Looking good Lancaster, do you have some good pics of the scope mounts, I have a handful of claw mount spare parts and one looks like the rear base for a Mannlicher but I'm scratching my head wondering what the other parts look like. I'd like to see if I can make a complete set.

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: darwinmauser]
      #224290 - 25/01/13 06:58 PM

you looking for the rear feet?
have two in my parts box


the good one will stay for the carcano project
the other one will looking like this with 15 min. work
if you need it...

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: lancaster]
      #224296 - 25/01/13 09:17 PM



I'm away for 3 days as of tonight, when I get back we'll see what can be worked out.

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: tophet1]
      #226070 - 27/02/13 07:40 PM

Tophet1,

Are you referring to AFRO408's Vergueiro in 7x57? That's been up for sale and I've just bought it. I can't wait to get it and am very much looking forward to putting a few rounds through it. I've always had a soft spot for the 7mm Mauser, the first centrefire I shot as a kid.

I've got another Vergueiro in 8x57, which I fitted without too much trouble into a Boyd's classic walnut stock. It's off at the gunsmith having the barrel shortened, a butter knife bolt handle and some new sights fitted, as it'll make a great open sighted, short barrelled scrub gun.

BTW, this is my first post, as a long-time lurker. Love this forum.

Muzz.

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6,5 Mod.1904. [Re: Muzz]
      #234012 - 11/08/13 02:15 PM

its at home now and waiting for finishing










because of a 6,5mm barrel blank at hand its a 6,5x57 now


working with M 98 stripper clips too






gunmaker have a Mannlicher Schönauer M 1905 on the work bench just now. a sweet short stutzen in 9x56 and in perfect condition that never had a scope before. the owner decided it get a new pivot mount now
gunmaker knows its pure horror but say you can remove this again without making real damage to the rifle.
good to have a claw mount on the vergueiro if god asking me once about my sins I am justified in this point




after being a 8mm for over 60 years its a 6,5 again in the end



thats a very old M 98 sporter stock the gunmaker had laying around and for saving time and money I take it. will be look much better when I am ready with him











the stock and the iron sight's are perfect for me. when I take the rifle its points automatic on the target with the iron sights perfect in line.







the barrel and the whole rifle is heavy, no doubt about it












to hold the gunmaker still in work he starts with a groundbreaking new project in autumn


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Re: 6,5 Mod.1904. [Re: lancaster]
      #234026 - 11/08/13 04:15 PM

Interesting.

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: lancaster]
      #234032 - 11/08/13 06:17 PM

That is interesting and informative. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: Rule303]
      #234100 - 12/08/13 04:06 PM

Lancaster, with your new project soon to be starting I'm guessing it is going to be based on the "Found under the bench" carcano action. What caliber have you decided on?. Could make a decent 35 remington or 7.62x39 to take advantage of all that nice lapua brass. In any event I'm sure it will be a looker. Frank

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: FrankS]
      #234126 - 13/08/13 01:17 AM

you get it right with 7,62x39

I have thinking about the 35 Rem too but got a barrel blank in .310. the interesting point is that this will be a machine for producing 7,62x39 brass which can be used for forming 401 WSL brass

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: lancaster]
      #270055 - 06/09/15 08:22 PM

two years later...
again a project finished, good feeling

























M 98 and M 88 hybrid, projected by DWM engineers to use so much as possible of the M98 production and the older M88 production just stopped 6 years before





36 years between, the DWM M 1094 Vergueiro and the FEG Budapest G 98/40 but in the end the same rifle - Mannlicher receiver and bolt with Mauser magazine




will test it next week and then it will come with me into the woods

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Edited by lancaster (06/09/15 09:21 PM)

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: lancaster]
      #270197 - 09/09/15 01:11 AM

so nobody like it

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: lancaster]
      #270200 - 09/09/15 03:37 AM

This project is very typical to you; finished rifle looks very good and classic. Minor details who takes my eyes are those fixings in stock. They seems to be made well but IMO this rifle deserves a new handmade stock.

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: Igorrock]
      #270204 - 09/09/15 05:03 AM

this hole thing was for using also some leftover parts and my plan was to make a new stock by using a walnut stock blank. the gunmaker was working with the barreled action and for sending it to the proofhouse there was some kind of stock necessary. this old M 98 stock was there and he take it for this job. as you see it was changed one time before and so I was not very happy with this in the beginning but this changed when I had it at home than.
in the end it was a low budget project.

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Re: Vergueiro sporter project [Re: lancaster]
      #270211 - 09/09/15 05:43 AM

Ok, I understand. Maybe on some day later...by the way, I have quite similar situation with my FN Mauser .30-06. Now it has black Hoque composite stock which I swapped with Christian. He got original wooden SAKO-Mauser stock to his project. I made some alternations to Hoque and now I like it so much that my very beautifull wooden stock blank will wait to the day when I have enough free energy to make it ready. It will take for a while...

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perfect sunday morning with my Vergueiro [Re: Igorrock]
      #270439 - 13/09/15 09:14 PM





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Re: perfect sunday morning with my Vergueiro [Re: lancaster]
      #270454 - 14/09/15 07:29 AM

Lancaster, spot on mate a perfect Sunday all right!
Will make some nice cuts (albeit small) off that one.
Very hard to beat that
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Re: perfect sunday morning with my Vergueiro [Re: 93x64mm]
      #270458 - 14/09/15 09:58 AM

For a budget rifle build you achieved a good result. Nice way to blood the rifle.

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Re: perfect sunday morning with my Vergueiro [Re: Rule303]
      #270475 - 15/09/15 01:18 AM

Quote:

so nobody like it



No! I think it is a cool project and interesting to see it from the beginning to the end. And also see it being used for hunting.

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Re: perfect sunday morning with my Vergueiro [Re: NitroX]
      #271846 - 18/10/15 05:19 PM

lancaster, I love what you have accomplished with your new rifle. Sort of like a wedding of the old, new and something borrowed. new barrel old action with with 88 and 98 features and rescued stock. I'm waiting on your newest project the 7.62x39 carcano. I've a 303 British chambered FN machinegun barrel that I got cheap because the dealer couldn't figure out what it was chambered for. Just by accident and partly desperation I stuck a 303 cartridge in the chamber and it fit perfectly. Again beautiful rifle. Frank

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Re: perfect sunday morning with my Vergueiro [Re: FrankS]
      #272514 - 02/11/15 08:39 AM

Most excellent lancaster! A work of art in my eyes and a 6.5x57 has always been on my want list.

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Re: perfect sunday morning with my Vergueiro [Re: JDL]
      #272520 - 02/11/15 11:40 AM

Job well done and executed.

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Re: perfect sunday morning with my Vergueiro [Re: DarylS]
      #272529 - 02/11/15 07:48 PM

Sorry for not putting up a comment early !

Very cool project, I to was going to do some thing on one of these smooth well built actions but managed to talk myself out of it .

Great to see it to the end & see you use it in the field, very neat !

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