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Not exactly, Grandveneur. The only question posed here would seem to be its effectiveness specifically against large bears, and I doubt if that is the purpose for which Brian is considering using his new light double.

Nonetheless there is no doubt that many of today's hunters using scoped .300 Magnums on whitetails at ranges inside of 100 yards look down their noses at the old .30-30 for whatever reason, and at the .45-70 for that matter.

All the best.

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That's well put & at times, is directed at me, too, as to looking down my nose at the .30/30 - however, to look at it objectively, one must admit it has always been an effective round for it's intended game. Today, with modern loads, it is simply considerably better - and such a small, inexpensive and easy shooting round at that.

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Thanks, and again I agree. I think for years over obsession with concepts like velocity, energy and sectional density have caused many to turn away from some of the old cartridges that worked very well for their intended purposes. To a certain extent the accepted rules will always apply, but with new bullet and powder technology there is even more reason to have another look at the old soldiers and the modern performance one can achieve with them.

Imagine how revolutionary the .30-30 must have seemed in the mid 1890s. A low recoil, small bore, higher velocity, smokeless powder cartridge with expanding bullets, chambered in light carry rifles, when a lot of guys thought the .38-55 was small and for target work, and were probably still hunting deer with 15 pound Sharps buffalo rifles, or .44-40 carbines with limited effective range. How it must have challenged the conventional wisdom back then!

Of course now I guess guys like me have come full circle, and think that the old big bore rounds like the .45-70 and .50-110 are just the thing loaded with modern powders.

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Looking at the Chapuis Double rifle in 30-30. I understand they are buit on a 28 Ga frame, come in at just over 6 lbs , are regulated with Hornandy Leverevolution ammo.
how much of that is right. Anyone own one, shoot one, handle one , have an opinion on one?

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Brian,

First let me thank you sincerely for your service to our country. We are indebted to your dedication.

Now let me say there is nothing that gives more pleasure than a small to medium bore double rifle. I have quite a few. The most recent is a Rigby .360 made in 1880 I posted here.

My little Rigby isn't a true .360 (though that's what it says on the Rigby ledger). It has a bore diameter of .370" and grooves of about .380". By any other name it is a .38-55! It regulates to the 200 grain Sierra .375 bullet and is a joy to shoot. It will be death to our white tail deer, given an opportunity.

Keep in mind, in spite of all the discussion above, that a double rifle will be specific to one bullet weight (or a very narrow range of weights). While you can shuck any bullet weight through the Win. '94 and compensate with the rear sight elevator, the DR will rigidly demand it's chosen bullet weight. So "versatility" in this sense depends on the load your Chapuis wants to shoot.

I'm a great fan of the .30-30 Win. It was my very first rifle and my very first white tail kill at age 13. Even so, if I were pondering your decision I would certainly consider the Chapuis chambered in 8x57JRS or .30 Blaser. The 8x57JRS would be a peach. Just ask the zillions of happy owners of such rifles that are spread across the continent of Europe.

Whatever you decide, you are going to love it.

Best,
Curl

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I dont know about , a 30-30 in a expensive rifle ! In France we take a critical look . The cartridge 30-30 has not a good reputation for hunting in Europe , quite unlike the 444 Marlin or the 45/70 gov. !

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