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lancaster
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the 20.century in a cardbox
      #217746 - 08/10/12 05:40 AM

I have got a lot of 9x57 Mauser ammo, stuff that was leftover of a schwedisch moose hunter. this unknown gentleman had have cartridges from before WW1 up into the 1960s.
the lot contains also some 9x56 Mannlicher Schönauer cartridges. I try them into my M 88 in 9x57 Mauser and they load fine and would be safe to shot.

full boxes, I suspect the Kynoch ammo was bought beetween 1945 and 1955 when german made ammo was not available. the finnisch made ammo box is a very early post war made. headstamp is VKT, a firm that become VMT in 1946 and become a Part of Valmet in 1951.


mixed bag, interesting only one Norma round was in this lot, maybe he shot it the most. the third round from the right is a hollow point. the first hollow point in 9x57 I had in my hands.the fourth from the right seems to be the old 14,9 gramm DWM load.


the old german ammo have the "491 A" headstamp (DWM case number) or is stamped with M88/9x57 - the original cartridge designation





9x56 MS and 9x57 Mauser by DWM both with 16 gramm bullet




RWS and DWM also some interwar period Geco make the mass. you could easy recognise the 16gramm and the 18 gramm bullets. both bullet weight are fifty-fifty in this lot.
few but also some 18 gramm full metal jackets! the second from the right is remarkable because the bullet is not nickel plated(RWS load).





when compare the bullet one notize that there a differences over the years but the bullet's were sold under the same number. here two RWS cartridges - same bullet weight, same number in the catalogue




the difference between the 9x57 and the 9,3x57 is the cartridge lenght with different bullets
from left to right:
9x57 16 gr bullet
9x57 18,2 gr bullet
9,3x57 18,5 gr bullet
9,3x57 18,5 gr bullet
9,3x57 16,6 gr bullet


the 9,3x57 was and is loaded to a shorter oal with the heavy bullet weight so having less space for powder than the 9mm Mauser


by the same dealer I have got 11,2x60 Schüler rounds, DWM made
this is one of the very expensive collector cartridges and I have steal them(it was legal).


original and handload(Horneber brass and Degol bullet)

would be very interesting to shot them through a chrony but I dont think doing it


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Re: the 20.century in a cardbox [Re: lancaster]
      #217768 - 09/10/12 02:44 AM

Since I have both a 9X57 Mauser (Model S Sporter) and a 9X56 Mannlicher Schoenauer (Model 1905 carbine) I have to be careful and not get the ammunition mixed up, especially since none of it is correctly headstamped. However, since I form the Mauser cartridges from 8X57S brass and the Mannlicher version from .35 Whelen brass (which happens to have the Mannlicher .464" head diameter, instead of the .467" of the Mauser), I do have that mark of identification to work with.

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Re: the 20.century in a cardbox [Re: xausa]
      #217775 - 09/10/12 04:50 AM

I have study the CIP measurments for the 9x57 and the 9x56 extensive and would not hesitate to shot 9x56 in a 9x57.
the greatest problem the other way is the one mm longer case, maybe.
in spring I was biding on a M 1905 and was close but dont get it in the end. was thinking if the Mannlicher becoming mine I would cut all my 9x57 mauser brass back to 56mm and try to make a 9mm Mauser/Mannlicher Schönauer round to make ammo supply easy.
do you try to load a original 9x57 into the Mannlicher xausa???

"Since I have both a 9X57 Mauser (Model S Sporter) and a 9X56 Mannlicher Schoenauer (Model 1905 carbine) I have to be careful and not get the ammunition mixed up, especially since none of it is correctly headstamped. However, since I form the Mauser cartridges from 8X57S brass and the Mannlicher version from .35 Whelen brass (which happens to have the Mannlicher .464" head diameter, instead of the .467" of the Mauser), I do have that mark of identification to work with. "

do you wish to complicate this situation further? buy a Husqvarna in 9,3x57

I make 9x57 and 9,3x57 by the same brass - 8x57IS - and distinguish them only by the bullet

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Re: the 20.century in a cardbox [Re: lancaster]
      #218260 - 22/10/12 05:04 AM



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Re: the 20.century in a cardbox [Re: lancaster]
      #218288 - 22/10/12 06:44 PM

Lancaster, thanks for sharing these great pictures.

Can you confirm that the headstamp on the cartridges from that early post WW2 Lapua packet were "VKT" as you state ?

9x57 Mauser are known with VMT and VALMET hs, and VPT is also likely. I have never seen a VKT ?

"VPT" was used from 1925-c1946
VMT" used c1947-1949
"VALMET" used c1950-1954

Also those 8x56 and 8x57 in the same picture with the "D" headstamp were actually produced by G.Genschow (geco) at their Durlach factory, not DWM.

Notice that those "9x57 M88/9A" (and there is also "9x57 M88/9B") are actually different from the normalised 9x57 (c1912) which are the most common.

You have a real nice selection of these. Cheers


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Re: the 20.century in a cardbox [Re: WBD]
      #218290 - 22/10/12 10:10 PM

Interesting stuff. /Staffan

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