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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #323993 - 29/01/19 08:52 PM

8x60S, SN 1410
https://www.naturabuy.fr/FUSIL-BERETTA-A...em-5326755.html




















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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #327268 - 14/04/19 08:05 PM




https://www.pressreader.com/

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #330359 - 21/07/19 04:49 AM

10,75x68, SN 1303
https://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-MAS-10-75x68-chasse-cartouches-item-5657060.html















7x54, SN JF 589

https://www.naturabuy.fr/carabine-chasse-MAS-FOURNIER-7X54-item-5727278.html


















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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #330446 - 23/07/19 11:38 AM

They certainly are an unusual rifle we never see here.



That looks quite cool.

And sort of like a semi-auto bolt action look. For us deprived plebs not permitted to own evil guns such as a BAR.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #330447 - 23/07/19 11:43 AM

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10,75x68, SN 1303
https://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-MAS-10-75x68-chasse-cartouches-item-5657060.html







What was the magazine capacity in 10.75x68?

Or in 7x54?

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Re: french connection [Re: NitroX]
      #330451 - 23/07/19 01:39 PM

allways five

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #330466 - 23/07/19 08:18 PM

The deux chevaux of bolt action rifles.

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Re: french connection [Re: xausa]
      #330519 - 25/07/19 01:30 AM

the 10,75x68 version is far and away from being an ugly duck
its a very handy and praktical rifle and looks actually very good in every detail. I can say this because being a great admirer of the model 98.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #330543 - 25/07/19 02:14 PM

Quote:

the 10,75x68 version is far and away from being an ugly duck
its a very handy and praktical rifle and looks actually very good in every detail. I can say this because being a great admirer of the model 98.




I actually agree.

I am not a great fan of the 10.75x68 as it is neither here nor there is the big bore power stakes.

But I like the thought of it in one of these ghastly French rifles. Differently looking anyway.

I know our member larcher had one for a while, getting stuck with it, as on being requested to buy it for another person, and then freight it to Australia, the other guy decided he didn't want it after all .... I believe larcher sold it off to try and recover most of the purchase price, but if he still had it, he could carry it out to Aust for me one day, when he eventually comes again. Soon I hope.

A 10.75x68 with decent 350 gr SPs or FMJs and a five shot magazine would make an adequate water buffalo rifle. Plus more than adequate for scrub bull, camel, horses, donkeys, and certainly wild pigs.

What do these rifles generally weigh? Look like they aren't necessarily light in weight.

How does the magazine work? I haven't gone through all posts for a photo. 7 pages of them! Well done to lancaster and others. Is the magazine internal, I am guessing, but the catch at the bottom opens a floorplate? Or is it a removable magazine?

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #330565 - 25/07/19 08:28 PM

Quote:

the 10,75x68 version is far and away from being an ugly duck
its a very handy and praktical rifle and looks actually very good in every detail. I can say this because being a great admirer of the model 98.




À chacun son goût.


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Re: french connection [Re: xausa]
      #330603 - 26/07/19 10:07 PM

Nitrox, you mentioned Larcher in your post; we have now seen him online for ages and we are missing his posts, have you been in contact with him recently and is he well?
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Re: french connection [Re: Louis]
      #330606 - 26/07/19 11:37 PM

larcher is currently being tortured by having to endure a month on holiday on the Riviera at the moment.

I am in touch with him every week most weeks.

I do wish larcher and our other good friends would visit NE forums again or more.

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Re: french connection [Re: NitroX]
      #330609 - 26/07/19 11:45 PM

Quote:

larcher is currently being tortured by having to endure a month on holiday on the Riviera at the moment.

I am in touch with him every week most weeks.

I do wish larcher and our other good friends would visit NE forums again or more.




Nitro;

If you post the address of this prison you speak of, I'm sure an ad hoc group of irregular Special Forces would be eagerly and immediately assembled to spring him.

It might take some time once the Forces arrive to accomplish this act of charity, but then, one should never jeopardize an operation by too hasty a withdrawl.



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Re: french connection [Re: 9.3x57]
      #330612 - 27/07/19 01:59 AM

Thank you Nitrox, happy to know Larcher is going well; I am, and I am sure I should not be alone, missing his posts in the Humour category!
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Re: french connection [Re: Louis]
      #330620 - 27/07/19 05:40 AM

to anser all questions: the rifle is 111 cm long and weighs 3650 gramm unloaded
magazine and receiver are made in one piece, the catch at the bottom opens the floorplate. it works as a double row mauser style magazine and hold five 10,75x68 cartridges without any modifications.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #332075 - 09/09/19 12:35 AM

7x54, SN JF 802
https://www.naturabuy.fr/Vends-carabine-...em-5869922.html













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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #332794 - 29/09/19 02:52 AM

7x54,SN JF 366
https://www.naturabuy.fr/fusil-MAS-FOURNIER-CALIBRE-7X54-MAS-36-item-5940044.html

















sometimes the exotics meet each other
https://www.naturabuy.fr/carabine-MAS-MATCH-36-Calibre-7-62x51-308-win--item-5924255.html
a 308 win 300meter target rifle with a Mas 36 action and a danish Schultz&Larsen barrel










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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #332798 - 29/09/19 07:49 AM

I reckon that 300m rifle would be a tack driver - S&L were very good barrels indeed!

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Re: french connection [Re: 93x64mm]
      #332802 - 29/09/19 02:34 PM

and they are still one of the best because S&L made the barrels in the old fashion no matter what other barrel maker telling you about their space age technology

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #339973 - 10/04/20 02:57 PM


Fournier advertising for his hunting rifle



http://www.tirmaillyforum.com/mildot/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=61055&start=30

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #348948 - 07/01/21 03:57 PM

this 7x54 ATE ammo box was for sale lately






new to me, fits the 10,75x68 box


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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #356898 - 19/09/21 06:56 PM

SN 235, original a 7x57 it was rechambered for the .284 Win when the caliber was outlawed
https://www.naturabuy.fr/CARABINE-MAS-36...em-7998917.html






















SN 146, same story
https://www.naturabuy.fr/CARABINE-MAS36-...em-7665704.html





















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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #357078 - 26/09/21 10:42 PM

In both examples the rear sight has been altered; the military one was disabled (although it was a diopter, as on MAS45, MAS49 and MAS49/56, a real pleasure to use even in combat shooting) as it allowed shooting over 300 meters, and replaced by new one with foldable leaves placed in front of the magazine. The reason is that we still have in France a (stupid) law forbidding hunting rifles to be fitted with rear sights bearing markings allowing to engage targets at a distance superior to 300 meters.

None of these French military rifles converted to hunting was kept into the original 7,5x54 MAS calibre (a 7,8 mm in reality) as until quite recently (2013), owning in France a rifle chambered in a calibre that had been of standard military issue since the late XIX Century was subject to the same administrative burden than owning a modern pistol or assault rifle. The reason for which until 2013 almost no-one hunted in France with 6,5x54MS, 7x57, 8x57JS, .308, and 30-06 to quote only a few; the most common hunting calibres were then 7x64, .270 Win and .280 Rem, again to quote only a few.

The system was eased but ownership of weapons chambered in calibers that are still in use in today’s international armed forces is still subject in France to important administrative control, even if your rifle is a single-shot .223.

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Re: french connection [Re: Louis]
      #357079 - 26/09/21 11:55 PM

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In both examples the rear sight has been altered;

The reason is that we still have in France a (stupid) law forbidding hunting rifles to be fitted with rear sights bearing markings allowing to engage targets at a distance superior to 300 meters.


The reason for which until 2013

The system was eased but ownership of weapons chambered in calibers that are still in use in today’s international armed forces is still subject in France to important administrative control, even if your rifle is a single-shot .223.

Louis




Very interesting. I was aware of the law but didn't know it was changed in '13.

Also, interesting they don't require elimination of the tangent base, just the slide.

I wonder how they determine what is a caliber used by a current military force, since many older rifles are still in service?

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Re: french connection [Re: 9.3x57]
      #357083 - 27/09/21 01:19 AM

iirc, the new law only see the 308 win, 223 rem, 7,62x39 and 5,45x39 as military cartridges in use. all other stuff is declared obsolete and in fact somewhere on the planet people kill each other with spears and bow + arrows just now.
when the MAS 36 started the 7x57 Mauser was a standard caliber for this rifle. not legal in the mainland but legal in the colony's or the story was it was legal in france for a short time than forbidden again. thats the reason for the rifles above rechambered and shooting the 284 Win.
this was the only factory cartridge that was big enough to cut away the original 7x57 chamber and still work in the action.original Mas hunting rifles for the 7x57 are very hard to find.
after the 7x57 caliber was banned again they necked down the 7,5x54 French to the 7x54 Mas and chambered the following guns for this cartridge.
the fun fact is in the same timeframe lapua was necking up the 6,5x55 Swedish into the 7x54 Lapua. this was done without having a rifle in production just to sell it to people who wish to alter a swedish mauser. there was another cartridge based on the swedish mauser cartridge before - the 8x54 Krag and lapua looking for a new market was seeing a possibility.
Owners of a Mas in 7x54 Mas discovered that the 7x54 Lapua was very similar and work in the rifle without any problem so the lapua ammo was mostly sold in france. I think having seen only one original 7x54 lapua rifle over the years for sale in finland.

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