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H&R slug loading
      #213947 - 02/08/12 08:21 PM

Hi all
Iam looking for some info on loading 12g slug in my new H&R slug gun when i get it .

when you load do you have to remove the fins on the wad .
i watch a clip on youtube and all he was doing was thaking the shot out of a loaded case and pushing in a 1 ounce slug how well dose this work .

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Matthew

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: matthew69]
      #213961 - 02/08/12 11:52 PM

Not sure where your location tas, is.

If I had an H&R, I'd first measure the groove diameter, then buy a round ball mould that size.

I'd purchase a Lyman shotshell loading handbook, and some Bluedot or other powder listed in it's sulg and ball loading data.

I'd purchase the wads they used and be happy with getting around 1,500fps to 1,600fps with up to a 600gr. ball.

If I wanted more power than that, I'd start at page 1 of Ed Huble's thread on 12 Guage From Hell thread and learn by reading the whole thread. You will find reference to the heavy barreled H&R along with suggestions for loads in 2 3/4" asnd 3" hulls along with 3 1/2" if your's is chambered that way. The loads will be for brass cases you need to buy, and reduced loads for use in the plastic cases.

If I didn't want to buy any books, or read Ed's thread and learn that way, I'd pull the lead shot loads from a fast magnum load, pull the wad up and cut off the shot-wad's petals and drop in a round ball of the correct size - and be happy with 1,300 to 1,350fps. That load is still as powerful as the lightest Africa 12 bore load of 1890, ie: the 4 1/4 dram black powder load- around 115gr. of black powder and will handle anything in North America.

You're in the driver's seat.

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: DarylS]
      #214077 - 05/08/12 12:41 PM

Matthew, I do nor know what you are going to use it for (hunting, competition etc) but I have been using one now foe about 12 months. I have used Daryl's recipe and it works, but not as accurate as I wanted. I use a 720grn fosbury slug which I cast in a Cast Bullet Engineering mould (CBE Sydney). I get a suitable wad and cut the petals off, using new unfird primed case I then load using ADI AP70 the mofified wad then seat the slug and use a roll crimper in a drill press. Out of my H&R it will group inside 2" at 50 metres with ease. The recoil is no bad but you really have to hang onto the foreaend as it will jump out of your front hand.

I have not used normal rifled slugs with it. If the ball gives you the accuracy you want, it will be the easy and cheapest way to go.

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: 450]
      #214084 - 05/08/12 06:42 PM

Thanks wayne
I fired yours at blue hills so I went out and bought one in the ultra slug thumb hole stock I am looking at getting a lee mould in one ounce going to use it in comps don't know anything about loading slugs done a lot of shot loading
Don't now if one ounce slug will make the grade .will have to get sights put on it should be picking it up nexted week to shot it saturday at our bg comp going to be fun

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: matthew69]
      #214091 - 05/08/12 09:21 PM

Matthew, Under the definition of the BGRC rules, rifled slugs are not permitted. It must be a bore riding projectile, Fosbury Style which weigh over 700 grains, or a round ball. I was talking to Graeme Wright at the shoot and it must be in the spirit of the game. Have a look at some of the other posts here, Expecially Daryl S as he offers very good advice re ball loads.

There are loads listed in Graeme Wrights book "Shooting the English Double Rifle" and they are a really good starting point. I would like to pick up one of those ultra slug guns as it is a bit heavier than my light weight one. Good luck with it and let me know how it goes. Good to meet you at the shoot.

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: 450]
      #214098 - 06/08/12 02:33 AM

Further note, guys, Ed Huble's thread, 12 Guage (or bore) From Hell, includes notes on how the guys increased the diameter and weight of the Lee mould's slug. That slug is not really a rifled slug, ie: doesn't have vanes such as the factory Fosters or Benneke's, but is a straight sided, round nosed slug.

When increasing the size of the bullet that mould casts, they ended up with a sharp edge around the perifery of the top, like on a handgun SWC bullet giving the same sort of 'cutting' edge. Good on paper, terrific on hides.

Of course, for competition shooting, one must use the most accurate projectile, bar none and searching out the best mould for that, can be quite an expensive endeavour, not to mention extensive testing time - What FUN!!!!

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: DarylS]
      #214105 - 06/08/12 05:39 AM

Thanks Daryl

Looks like I got some fun coming up to work it out

Matthew

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: matthew69]
      #214905 - 18/08/12 07:54 PM

Well got the ultra slug H&R today fills nice going to try it out sunday just with some 1 ounce lee slugs have not yet got a bigger mould yet mounted scope on it to see what it will do .
got a set of sights off a H&R 45/70 to put on it .

loaded 21g off AS50N thats all the shot gun powder i have i used once fired cases tried some with rolled crimp some just crimped in the press some with carboard tops in and rolled crimped should be fun working it out

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: matthew69]
      #215309 - 23/08/12 07:32 PM

well put about 50 rounds down range over two days with a bit of loading in the middle using the lee 1 ounce slug tryed all different loads ways got it hit 8 inch square plate at 50 yards took it to the range after more reloading got on the bench got it down to 2 1/2 inches.at 50 so getting better
orded new mould 720gr just got to work out a load and what the best way lub it.

just got to get open sights on now and do some more playing on the weekend

im using as50n if any one has a load for a 720 gr load would be great

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: matthew69]
      #215329 - 24/08/12 01:26 AM

You could definitely start with the 12 bore paradox loads guys are using. I would research the paradox forum for data for heavy slugs, as well as Ed's thread.

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: DarylS]
      #215541 - 26/08/12 07:56 PM

Matthew.

I do not have any loads for AS50. In Graeme Wrights book, he lists 27 grns AP70 with a 750 grn slug for 1137 fps. I found this a bit heavy and use 23 grns AP70 which as you have seen works very well. Another load is 34.5 grns AP100 with a 765 grn slug for 1050fps. 34 gns Blue dot for 110 fps. Work up these loads gradually. It will come good. Have fun with it. Wayne

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: 450]
      #215687 - 28/08/12 12:59 AM

Are you casting those slugs yourself Matthew?
What alloy?




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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: tinker]
      #215724 - 28/08/12 06:22 PM

will casting them myself tinker using wheel weights just waiting on the mould should be here mid oct

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: matthew69]
      #215725 - 28/08/12 06:42 PM

Matthew, IMHO wheel weights migh be to hard for these slugs. Everyone I know who casts them including me uses pure lead, some put in a couple of sticks of 50/50 solder to harden it a little. If you use wheel weights just keep an eye on the pressure signs. Let me know how they go.

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: 450]
      #217374 - 29/09/12 06:05 PM

hi all
got my mould from Cast Bullet Engineering got some loaded up give them a go to day got it to about 2 1/2 inch group with open sight a had put on after some sighting in happy with that .

got the trigger done on the h&r down to just over 2 pound makes it great to shot .
with the heavy ultra slug recoil was much the same as 12g bush loads

just got to work on my loads to get them looking a bit neater

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: matthew69]
      #217923 - 13/10/12 08:54 PM

Hi all

Give the h&r a run today .
25mtrs 10 shots cut the centre out of the target just one big hole .

50 mtrs running about 2inch group .

No leading that I could see using wheel weights mixed with sheet lead .
Dug out lead leaving nice rifle groves on the projectiles.

All up happy with the the little h&r

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Re: H&R slug loading [Re: matthew69]
      #217930 - 14/10/12 05:14 AM

Sounds great matthew.

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