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Woodbeef
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Which new 9.3x62?
#211668 - 28/06/12 11:38 AM

A good Friend talked me out of my Tikka Battue in 9.3x62. So before I order another one,are there others I should consider? Like the Sako 85 Hunter? Or what about one of the fast twist Ruger Africans or CZ 550?

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Viking338
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Woodbeef]
#211669 - 28/06/12 12:17 PM

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A good Friend talked me out of my Tikka Battue in 9.3x62. So before I order another one,are there others I should consider? Like the Sako 85 Hunter? Or what about one of the fast twist Ruger Africans or CZ 550?

My CZ 550 is great, had beautiful wood out of the box. Had the trigger tweaked & bed & float and it was good to go. Not sure if it needed the B & F but it is something I always get done before I start. Whatever you end up with it is a sweet calibre which I am sure you will enjoy

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mauserand9mm
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Viking338]
#211672 - 28/06/12 01:29 PM

I have seen a CZ550FS down the rifle range in this cartridge, and it had spectacular timber. Owner said it was very accurate (under MOA) but it has a tight chamber. The outside burr on the neck of the new brass cases (brand?) he was using precluded him from chambering the rounds.

There are black plastic bits on the stock that are well fitted and otherwise would appear as ebony.

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Rule303
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: mauserand9mm]
#211679 - 28/06/12 06:11 PM

The Zestavas are very accurate, timber or synthetic. However i doubt any ot the others wiuld handle as well as the T3 Battue.

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Igorrock
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Rule303]
#211682 - 28/06/12 07:30 PM

In my list Ruger and CZ are much before TIKKA T3 which mostly is, IMO, a "modern style" plastic rifle. Accuracy could be good but stock wood very seldom. That´s because TIKKA is just a poor mans version of SAKO.

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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Woodbeef]
#211683 - 28/06/12 09:11 PM

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A good Friend talked me out of my Tikka Battue in 9.3x62. So before I order another one,are there others I should consider? Like the Sako 85 Hunter? Or what about one of the fast twist Ruger Africans or CZ 550?

Tikkas are very accurate rifles but I am not in love with the plastic bottom end or bolt shroud but have never had a problem yet with any of mine but have seen issues. I have seen a few SAKO's fail in the heavier calibers (375 and 416)by recoil jamming the action totally but I guess a 9.3 would be ok.The CZ's are great rifles but I hate the new "American " stock design ;clubby and designed for benchrest shooting IMO ,but if you can get an old ZKK or a Euro "Standard" model (not sold in US) this would be great.I have never liked Rugers due to poor accuracy and difficulty in bedding but from Afrika a hear good things about the new "Hawkeye"

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MarkR
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
#211715 - 29/06/12 07:55 AM

The Sako Black Bear is probably the sweetest handling rifle I've seen. They are sweet and if you like walnut order the Grizzly.......

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Igorrock
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: MarkR]
#211736 - 29/06/12 06:10 PM

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The Sako Black Bear is probably the sweetest handling rifle I've seen.

It seems that you haven´t seen so many rifles....

SAKO quality is good enough, no doubt but nothing special. For example Schultz & Larsen makes IMO better quality rifles. And they are even cheaper than SAKO´s.

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ozhunter
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Igorrock]
#211833 - 01/07/12 08:53 PM

A friend of mine has just purchased a 9.3 in the Sako Black Bear. Nice light rifle.

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mlg
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: ozhunter]
#212527 - 11/07/12 09:32 PM

I had a Black Bear in 9.3x62 and returned it unfired. Whilst resizing cases for the rifle that had been fired in another 9.3, I noticed that the empty cases were hitting the scope on ejection - so much so it was bending the case mouths (not a problem in itself) and chipping the body surface of my scope.

The rifle was returned to the importer and unfortunately it appears there is nothing that can be done about this.

To me this is unacceptable - others may think different. Its a known problem in the 30-06 length action Sako 85 . The short action (308) does not do this and I am unsure about the bigger action for the magnums.

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Igorrock
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: mlg]
#212528 - 11/07/12 10:04 PM

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I noticed that the empty cases were hitting the scope on ejection

This feature is an unpleasant but characteristic part of SAKO 85. It originates from the position of ejectors claw. But the newer model SAKO A7 do not have this problem.

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Paul
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Igorrock]
#212532 - 11/07/12 11:37 PM

Though I've got a Sako and a Tikka, I'd lean towards the Ruger. Not only does it look the part but has controlled feed, a safety I like and kick-ass express sights.

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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Paul]
#212536 - 11/07/12 11:51 PM

A 'late' friend of mine was a Ruger collector. I bed several of these, changed the barrels around on a couple others and never saw one that wouldn't shoot well under an inch. That accuracy standard included not only his .338, but the .416 Rigby as well.
Glass bedding was not a problem on any of them.

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Rule303
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Igorrock]
#212538 - 12/07/12 12:03 AM

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The Sako Black Bear is probably the sweetest handling rifle I've seen.

It seems that you haven´t seen so many rifles....
SAKO quality is good enough, no doubt but nothing special. For example Schultz & Larsen makes IMO better quality rifles. And they are even cheaper than SAKO´s.

Unfortunately last time I looked, in Australia, S&L were more expensive than Sako's. The few S&L I have been lucky enought to have fired have been smooth as silk and bloody accurate.

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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Rule303]
#212548 - 12/07/12 04:15 AM

The CZ 550 full stock is cute but the 20.45 inch barrel does cut into the already abbreviated velocity of this classic cartridge. The 550 American kevlar stock has a 24 inch tube and weighs in at 7.5 pounds. This would be my pick. It's a free country. I hope you are happy with your choice.

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mlg
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Igorrock]
#212565 - 12/07/12 07:14 PM

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I noticed that the empty cases were hitting the scope on ejection

This feature is an unpleasant but characteristic part of SAKO 85. It originates from the position of ejectors claw. But the newer model SAKO A7 do not have this problem.

Igorrock

Does the 375 length action do this as well? If this is the case there is NO WAY I would use a Sako 85 for DG. I found that if I tilted my rifle slightly to the left the case would sometimes bounce back into the receiver - and of course if not noticed an immediate jam would occur.

To me Sako's error is that they have tried to turn the 75 action into a CRF action and that it is not - so now they have neither a good CRF action or a good push feed action.

The Sako A7 hasa plunger type ejector in the 9 o'clock position so I am not surprised it does not suffer the same fate.

I wish Sako would produce good actions like they used to - machining & quality of work is so good - its a shame the rifle is spoilt by a badly designed action.

Edited by mlg (12/07/12 07:15 PM)

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Igorrock
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: mlg]
#212572 - 12/07/12 10:07 PM

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Does the 375 length action do this as well? If this is the case there is NO WAY I would use a Sako 85 for DG.

I´m not 100% sure but have heard that only high scope mounts helps...IMHO only SAKO which I would buy for DG hunt is old SAKO High Power with FN made m98 Mauser action. I have one and going to make a plains game -rifle.

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To me Sako's error is that they have tried to turn the 75 action into a CRF action and that it is not - so now they have neither a good CRF action or a good push feed action.

That´s my advice too. The last SAKO big action model which I would buy was L61R. SAKO 75 is not so bad but not my "cake".

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Paul
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Igorrock]
#212578 - 13/07/12 01:35 AM

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To me Sako's error is that they have tried to turn the 75 action into a CRF action and that it is not - so now they have neither a good CRF action or a good push feed action.

That´s my advice too. The last SAKO big action model which I would buy was L61R. SAKO 75 is not so bad but not my "cake".

'That's a bummer, man' (apologies to The Dude).

A combination CRF/push feed would be a great idea if it worked. I have had a Mauser 98 jam but not my L61R - and there's not much worse than a round shunted ahead of an unyielding Mauser extractor.

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Igorrock
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Paul]
#212581 - 13/07/12 03:34 AM

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I have had a Mauser 98 jam but not my L61R - and there's not much worse than a round shunted ahead of an unyielding Mauser extractor.

IHMO m98 Mauser action is the most sensitive when talking about actions correct dimensions to feeding the ammo. And, besides that, it needs a shooter who knows how to work with the bolt when loading the rifle. All push feed -action are much esier.

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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Igorrock]
#212586 - 13/07/12 06:49 AM

Or - merely make your Mauser feed when dropping a round into the chamber and closing the bolt. Mine all do - no need to control round feed if you don't want to.

Load the magazine, throw one into the chamber, push the top round under the bolt and close the bolt - extractor snaps over the rim just fine - if made ot do so - bit of polishing is all it's ever taken me with M96's or M98's.

If you have a Mauser where the extractor that won't climb over the rim - try pulling the extractor in (squeezing) the sides to angle the claw out as you rotate the bolt - just to get that one out without having to have a rod. Then - take it to a gunsmith to fix.

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Igorrock
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: DarylS]
#212613 - 13/07/12 11:11 PM

I think CZ rifles have this conversion when they come from factory....?

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Rule303
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Igorrock]
#212658 - 14/07/12 10:32 AM

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I think CZ rifles have this conversion when they come from factory....?

Both mine did.

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Viking338
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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Rule303]
#212671 - 14/07/12 04:54 PM

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I think CZ rifles have this conversion when they come from factory....?

Both mine did.

+1 all mine did from factory.

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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: Viking338]
#214777 - 16/08/12 08:41 PM

My new sauer 202 in 9.3x62 just arrived, and whilst i have owned L579, and L61r sakos this new rifle oozes quality workmanship and just feels right, i havent been able to pick a fault yet. The next rifle i buy will definitly be another Sauer. Just my two cents.

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Re: Which new 9.3x62? [Re: skipp]
#217569 - 04/10/12 06:23 AM

I have a Steyr-Mannlicher Luxus in 9.3x62 and it's a great rifle. Well built, not too heavy and accurate.

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