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empirevr
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Re: "On Face?' [Re: CptCurl]
      #126433 - 09/02/09 08:14 PM

Quick q...

Underlever or toplever for strength????

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: empirevr]
      #126447 - 09/02/09 11:19 PM

Good question. Strength of the lock, or strength of the action itself? I like the looks of an under lever on a classically styled gun but, I think the fewer holes along the action bar, the stronger the action. Among all of the various opening devices, the side lever reigns supreme in the looks department, for me. The question of strength would still apply. It's all theoretical as I'm sure no action has really failed due "only" to the opening/locking mechanism with proper loads.

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: Der_Jaeger]
      #126588 - 10/02/09 10:39 PM

Hmm

The double rolling block seems the best double rifle action to have........!!!

Time someone made this, the looks are A-OK to me........and the gun would take any cals/loads.......no?

Just a thought!

Ben


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Re: "On Face?' [Re: CptCurl]
      #127701 - 22/02/09 06:48 AM

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There is no doubt that a properly fitted Greener Crossbolt or Kersten Double Crossbolt (using the round bolt!!) is the best way to pin the action against the face and prevent the three firing forces (bending, axial, radial) from trying to do otherwise.




I don't agree. The Webley screw grip is stronger. An awesome system!



Curl




The so-called screw-grip fastener, is only as strong if it is fitted to a doll's head as the example you show in the picture above! If the screw-grip is on the end of a hidden extention, then it looses the ability to retard the forward movement, and only retards the opening around the hinged pin, and has no effect on stretch!

By the way that is a very nice double rifle in your picture! Is it your's?

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: empirevr]
      #127703 - 22/02/09 07:02 AM

Quote:

Hmm

The double rolling block seems the best double rifle action to have........!!!

Time someone made this, the looks are A-OK to me........and the gun would take any cals/loads.......no?

Just a thought!

Ben




Do you mean rolling block as remingtons rolling block? That one doesent take much to blow apart.

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: 450_366]
      #127704 - 22/02/09 07:20 AM

I need to ask this.

Doesent the part in front of the bite in the lumps fit tightly in the action and helps to support the hinge pin from the stretch?

If so it means that when the gun is off face and the hinge pin only is tightend, it will take the full blow of the forces?

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: empirevr]
      #127705 - 22/02/09 07:46 AM

Quote:

Hmm

The double rolling block seems the best double rifle action to have........!!!

Time someone made this, the looks are A-OK to me........and the gun would take any cals/loads.......no?

Just a thought!

Ben




A rolling block action is very springy, and doesn't handle pressure well! I think what you might mean is a FALLING BLOCK ! A falling block double rifle like the Ruger No1 is strong as anything chambered for a sporting cartridge.

It would take some re-design to be a workable double rifle, but could be done! I've been working on a re-design of the basic Ruger No1 into a double rifle for some yrs now, in the drawing board stage as of yet, but refined enough now to go forward with a soft metal shop prototype to obtain a pattern for the parts.

This type double rifle is, like the bolt action double rifle by Fusch, it will not sell well, because of it's very un-treditional looks, no matter how strong it is! My design is a more treditional in looks, and in the way it works! We will see later this summer!

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #127714 - 22/02/09 09:05 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Hmm

The double rolling block seems the best double rifle action to have........!!!

Time someone made this, the looks are A-OK to me........and the gun would take any cals/loads.......no?

Just a thought!

Ben




A rolling block action is very springy, and doesn't handle pressure well! I think what you might mean is a FALLING BLOCK ! A falling block double rifle like the Ruger No1 is strong as anything chambered for a sporting cartridge.

It would take some re-design to be a workable double rifle, but could be done! I've been working on a re-design of the basic Ruger No1 into a double rifle for some yrs now, in the drawing board stage as of yet, but refined enough now to go forward with a soft metal shop prototype to obtain a pattern for the parts.

This type double rifle is, like the bolt action double rifle by Fusch, it will not sell well, because of it's very un-treditional looks, no matter how strong it is! My design is a more treditional in looks, and in the way it works! We will see later this summer!




I have seen a picture somewhere on a falling block double but cant find it, it was made 100 years ago that i remember.

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: 450_366]
      #127737 - 22/02/09 05:57 PM

Yes falling block of course!-sorry I was reading something when I posted. the photo is on here! micksguns has it up for sale.

Best

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: armbar]
      #131742 - 08/04/09 05:09 AM

SXS answered this question well, and it should be noted that, on a sxs double that is on face, one will always find small space, say .003 to .006, between barrel flats and watertable; THAT IS NORMAL, as noted by sxs, while no space should be found between barrel ends and standing breech.

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: empirevr]
      #195975 - 07/12/11 07:54 AM

Oh you mean like one of these:-

http://www.bradshawgunandrifle.com/Farquharson_Double_Rifle_1B.php

Double Farquharson rifle brand new made to your specs......


You should see the dinky SxS in 22 Hornet he made. Read the story of it being made with the photos down to forging the damascus billet to make the action out of.

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: Brithunter]
      #196063 - 08/12/11 04:37 AM

Oh YES! DR falling block - by Bailey Bradshaw. This is SPECTACULAR! I'm in lust. Check out that pop-up ghost ring peep.




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Re: "On Face?' [Re: armbar]
      #196074 - 08/12/11 07:22 AM

I perform two measurements.

1) I support the rifle by the muzzle and stock then using a feeler gauge see if I can slip a .001" between the breach face and standing breach. You should not.

2) I open the action then close it on a .001" feeler. It should not be able to be pulled free.

I also like to wobble the forend to check for play. There should not be any.

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: bonanza]
      #196079 - 08/12/11 08:15 AM

Getting back to the initial question asked here by armbar, yes, sxs answered it well, and I have also found that what bonanza had to say about using a standard feeler gauge of .001" thickness to check on/off face condition is very practical, much better than using a piece of paper to do the same thing, because some folks simply cannot assess the situation well by "eye" without using such a feeler gauge, which is practically a foolproof method. Remember too, that when gun is on face, you will normally have a small gap of around .003", maybe .004" or so between watertable and barrel flats, at base of standing breech--barrel flats should NEVER be touching the watertable at that point.

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #214885 - 18/08/12 01:05 PM

Question: When a gun goes off-face, does it stretch the dollshead? Wouldn't that seem to be a requisite for movement. If so, would it have to be repaired, and how? Steve

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: brosteve]
      #214904 - 18/08/12 07:49 PM

Yet no-one to date has spoken of sideclips.

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Re: "On Face?' [Re: kamilaroi]
      #214919 - 19/08/12 04:03 AM

Brosteve

I recently saw a gun with the dollshead cracked at it's neck, because the gun had been let go so far of the face.

It is imperative to watch the joint condition of these old guns and rifles closely, and take remedial action at the first signs of looseness. If not, the potential damage increases exponentially with more use.


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