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foxfire
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Father and Son going to Africa
      #21360 - 27/11/04 06:07 AM

My son developed a great interest in hunting. We have been on a few hunts and had a great time. My son is 16 years old. I would like to plan a hunt in Africa for the summer of 2006 with him. It would be strictly plains game. First hunt nothing dangerous.
My questions are:
Is he old enough to hunt in Africa?
Is this unusual and has anyone here done this before?
How would this be accomplished? 2x2 or 1x1
Would you do this as a package hunt or indiviual animals?
Do you have any recommendations as to places or outfitters?
Thanks for any help



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shakari
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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: foxfire]
      #21367 - 27/11/04 04:49 PM

Hi Foxfire,

We do a lot of Father & Son hunts and 16 is not particularly young.........The youngest we've had was 11 years old. You'll both have a have great time.

The way you hunt (1x1 or 2x2 etc) is entirely up to you. If you want to get the most enjoyment out of seeing your son on his first African hunt then 2x1 is the best choice (and the least expensive) If you think he'll have more confidence if he doesn't have you looking over his shoulder then go for the 2x2 option. It really all depends on your son's confidence and personality....... But any African hunt shared by Father & Son will create a bond between you that you'll both treasure forever.

I would personally recommend that you avoid package hunts. They can look cheaper at first glance, but there's no such thing as a free lunch and by paying for your animals on an individual basis you'll only pay for the animals you actually take. The other drawback to packages is that they can encourage mediocrity.

As to places, I would suggest Botswana Namibia or RSA would give you the most suitable hunt for your particular needs and you might like to take a look at my website or e-mail me for details of all of those countries. RSA has new (very strict) firearms laws which have caused big problems for some people, but if your outfitter has everything organised it's nothing to be worried about and any delay will be minimal.

I'd suggest that you need to be very careful when choosing your safari company as there are a lot of "unprofessional" operations out here and you need to pick your outfitter very carefully.

If you would like me to send you details of what services you should be able to expect from a good outfitter and how to price your safari just send me an e-mail and I'll be happy to do so.

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Steve "Shakari" Robinson
Kuduland Safaris (Africa) Ltd
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Edited by shakari (27/11/04 10:01 PM)

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foxfire
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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: shakari]
      #21375 - 27/11/04 11:06 PM

Thanks for your reply Shakari,
Any help from an informed group like this one is appreciated. I have some time so I'm enjoying getting this started. But where to start is a major question. Where would you go on a first safari SA, Namibia, Tansania etc. I believe I know a couple of the animals we want to hunt but not really sure about the rest.
Thanks again for any help you could give me
Steve Stravitz
Foxfire

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shakari
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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: foxfire]
      #21379 - 28/11/04 01:06 AM

Hi Steve,

I've sent you an e-mail. All three countries are very good, but if I were in your situation, I would probably opt for the Tuli Block of Botswana. Hunting areas and lodges are excellent and it's real "in your face" hunting where shots are often taken at fifty yards or less.

Tanzania is (IMO) the best hunting in Africa, but it's primarily a Dangerous Game destination, and if you don't want to hunt DG, then you're really spending money unnecessarily.

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foxfire
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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: shakari]
      #21380 - 28/11/04 01:56 AM

Thanks again Steve for all of the inormation. Everyone says if you go to Africa you'll be back again and again.
This being said the first hunt will be strictly a plains game hunt. Next time we come back my son would be older and Dangerous game would be the ticket then.

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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: foxfire]
      #21413 - 29/11/04 03:37 AM

A very dear friend of mine and his 16 year old son went on a hunt with me to SA in 2001.The son went as an observer and with the permission of the PH shot a couple of plainsgame animals out of the dozen that his father was to shoot.Two years later father and son went to Tanzania to hunt cape buff.with Shakari.This time the son went as a hunter and shot a cape while his father missed one.They were both very pleased to hunt with Shakari and came back very pleased.

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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: iqbal]
      #21415 - 29/11/04 05:40 AM

That sounds like a great time for father and son. My son is a little older but we are planning to do a plains game hunt as soon as we get the money saved to do so. I spent a lot of time hunting with him this year and think that this trip will be the best we have ever done. Good luck on it!!

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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: Taos]
      #21426 - 29/11/04 11:10 AM

Thanks for the responses and keep them coming as we'll need all the help we can get. I've been wanting to go to Africa for as long as I can remember. Going with my son will make it a memory for the both of us, for the rest of my life.

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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: foxfire]
      #21596 - 02/12/04 01:20 PM

My brother, his son, and I spend 15 days hunting in RSA. Ryan, his son was 16 years old.

First off, no problems and we had the time of our life. This was a plains game hunt with bird hunting thrown in. We bagged 23 animals with absolutely no glitches. My brother was trying to con his son into going to college rather than the military, first. Once Ryan realized the best way to keep coming to Africa hunting was to get a college degree, THEN seek employment. Needless to say the kid is tearing up the internet looking for grants, scholarships, and any other way to help defray college tutition so he can save his money for the Buffalo/Sable hunt this next year in Zimbabwe! This hunt really brought a very busy family back together. Go for it, it is the best money you will ever spend.

On a side note the PH's sons came along with us on the hunt. He told Ryan and his sons to "thin" out some impala. Needless to say the grins were ear to ear.

If you need any questions answered send me a PM and I'll let you know how we got the whole thing together.

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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: foxfire]
      #21666 - 04/12/04 06:52 AM

A few years ago I took my sons to Botswana for a plainsgame hunt. They where a little older than your son, but I wouldn't hesitate to take a 16 year old. Definately go 2X1 as you will enjoy watching him take his trophies even more than you will enjoy taking yours. The time together, on the truck and in the camp is priceless.
I suggest that you get him his own gun, I bought my boys 30-06s, and make sure that he practices enough to feel confident with the gun. Invest in a good camera with a telephoto lens and twice as much film as you think you need. Finally, give him a notebook and have him keep a daily journal, it will prove to be an invaluable keepsake.

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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: foxfire]
      #21732 - 05/12/04 04:37 PM

My son is now 18 and we hunt together all the time, though our time together has is not as much as it used to be now that he's off at college. The first out of town big game hunt I took him on was a bear and caribou hunt in Alaska when he was 12. He shot one of each on that trip.
Since then he has been on other trips with me, though mostly we hunt around Georgia, primarily at my farm.
As for Africa, I started dreaming of taking him there before he was born. Because of the great experience of a family friend, I decided I wanted to take my son there between high school and college. After researching the idea significantly for several months, I decided to take him with me to Tanzania, but the logistics of the trip (his projected college schedule, the availability of the hunt I wanted, ect) delayed the trip until the summer after his freshman year in college, which will be July of 2005. We'll be hunting lion, leopard, buffalo, ect on our hunt. And as things have worked out, I think I'm going to like the timing of this trip better than what I originally had in mind. Since he will have been off at school for a year by the time we take this trip, I think our time together will be even more appreciated.
One thing that I decided on that you may also consider are the 2x1 configuration issues. Since basically all of the trophies will be coming back to my house, I knew that I didn't need two bags of animals coming back to my home from a 21-day Tanzanian safari. Another issue was whether or not the two of us, hunting together at all times, would have the time to actually hunt for two full bags. I discussed this with the two safari companies that I was considering. They were Luke Samaras Safaris and Legendary Adventures (Tanzania Gametracker Safaris.) Luke said that I would have to buy the two full bag hunts. TGTS said that I could take my son as a "companion", pay less per day for having him along, and that we could each hunt and split the one bag. For us, the flexibility offered by TGTS made the deal and helped me finalize the trip.
I think you should do it!

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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: Spring]
      #21734 - 05/12/04 04:53 PM

A Tanzanian 21 day hunt is a fabulous experience and a shared Father & Son 21 day hunt will be really spectacular for you both, and I honestly can't think of a nicer hunting experience.

We've just expanded our Tanzanian operation for next year which has meant we have a bigger quota and we can offer a wider selection of options (and better prices) and despite the economic situation they've been very popular indeed.

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Spring
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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: shakari]
      #21735 - 05/12/04 05:34 PM

Yes, we are really looking forward to it, Steve. Since I've been there before, the dream of going back is an almost constant thing with me; my son is excited too, but since I've done all the planning, I don't think he realizes just how special it can be!
The family friend that I mentioned in my other note actually took his son on their trip in 1964. The got a lion, ele, and the standard variety of plains game in areas that are now known as Tanzania. My friend is now in his mid 80's, but to this day, whenever he and his son get together, the topic of their great trip back when his son was 18 always seems to come up. The stories that they share together have impacted their lives probably more than is imaginable. Other members of his family later visited Africa after being inspired by this original trip. And last Christmas, his daughter secretly found the old slides they took, had them made into photographs, hand-wrote many of the stories she had heard her father tell almost all of her life, and made for him a photo album telling all about their great adventure. It was a stunning gift, given in love, that I think probably shows how important a trip like this with a son or daughter can truly be.....

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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: Spring]
      #21739 - 05/12/04 08:54 PM

Vic,

64......was in the time of the big tuskers, so that must have been a wonderful experience I'm sure, and the album is a nice thought, I'd bet it bought tears to his eyes.

Things probably aren't as good as they must have been in the 60s, but even now I'm sure your son will have a great trip......he might not appreciate how wonderful at the moment, but just wait till he gets back!

Where in Tanzania are you hunting?

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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: shakari]
      #21748 - 06/12/04 12:25 AM

Steve,
We'll be hunting in two areas of Tanzania: Moyowosi and Kizigo. Are you familiar with them?

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shakari
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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: Spring]
      #21750 - 06/12/04 12:37 AM

KIzigo doesn't ring a bell with me I'm afraid, (where is it?) but I know Moyowasi slightly.

We've just expanded our Selous operation from 1 block to 4 for next year and our Masailand operation from 1 area to 2 and we've dropped the Burigi area completely due to the poaching.

Can I also ask who you're hunting with?

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Edited by shakari (06/12/04 12:38 AM)

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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: shakari]
      #21753 - 06/12/04 12:52 AM

Steve,
Here are the hunting area TGTS has available. I think we might be missing the chance to hunt things like a gerenuk and the gazelles, while we'll also need to come back for an ele and maybe a sitatunga (not a high priority)...Guess we'll have to plan another trip!



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Re: Father and Son going to Africa [Re: Spring]
      #21760 - 06/12/04 02:08 AM

Vic,

They're a good company with good areas, so I'm sure you'll both have a ball and I look forward to seeing the pictures here.

I guess from your post the Elephant situation is the same as in Masailand......as you say, you'll have to book a seperate trip.

Burigi is currently a good area for sitatunga but not so good for other species due to the poaching......but things change quickly in Africa.

If it's of any interst for the future, Botswana has started to issue additional Elephant quota which will make it easier to get a hunt there without having to book 3 or 4 years ahead. For 2005 at least, they've gone from 4 Elephants a year to 8. don't know if it will continue for 2006 and beyond, but I have high hopes it will.

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Kuduland Safaris (Africa) Ltd
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Edited by shakari (06/12/04 02:10 AM)

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