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Jaguarhunter
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Heym, Blackpowder gun, from 1840 - 1880, I search ...
      #212258 - 08/07/12 04:18 AM

Hallo zusammen,

seit einigen Tagen habe ich diesen seltenen/wertvollen Vorderlader.

Heym, Vorläuder der jetzigen Jagdwaffenfirma
GL: 126,0 cm
Lauf-Länge ohne Schweifteil der Schwanzschraube gemessen 82,0 cm
Kaliber ca. 18,0 mm
Alles, Schloss, etc. voll funktionstüchtig
Hat einige interessante Details, wie z. B. einen Stecher (der heute noch glas-trocken steht), eine Sicherung
Baujahr (laut einem der Vorbesitzer) zwischen 1840 und 1880

Interessant:
Hatte einige berühmt/berüchtigte Vorbesitzer und wurde auch als Jagdwaffe in Afrika eingesetzt

FRAGE:
Wer kann mal eine Einschätzung zu dieser Waffe geben, wie:
- Baujahr
- Stil und Technik
- etc

FRAGE II:
Auch Literaturhinweise wären sehr interessant.
Wo kann ich dazu "was lesen"?

Danke und Gruß

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Re: Heym, Blackpowder gun, from 1840 - 1880, I search ... [Re: Jaguarhunter]
      #212260 - 08/07/12 04:21 AM

This gun is an old Heym blackpowder gun.

126,0 cm long (include the stock)
82,0 cm long barrel
Caliber ca. 18,0 mm

This is an very interessting gun, with special details...
:-)

It was used as an competition gun and an hunting gun for Africa.

In the moment we search for more details in old german archives, old european gun museums, pp.

PLEASE:
Who can post some ideas and details (because Im not an expert in old guns)??
Internetlinks to similar guns, pp?


Thank you and best wishes.


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Re: Heym, Blackpowder gun, from 1840 - 1880, I search ... [Re: Jaguarhunter]
      #212261 - 08/07/12 04:24 AM



The rifle complete.








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Re: Heym, Blackpowder gun, from 1840 - 1880, I search ... [Re: Jaguarhunter]
      #212275 - 08/07/12 09:47 AM

Which "Heym"? There are no less than 59 gunmakers named Heym and ten Heims listed in the Suhl and Zella Mehlis guntrade during the last 150 years! The initials of the Heym who signed your gun may help in pinning down the maker.

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Re: Heym, Blackpowder gun, from 1840 - 1880, I search ... [Re: kuduae]
      #212320 - 08/07/12 10:35 PM

It was N. Heym, maybe Norbert Heym.

From witch book did you have the info:
59 gunmakers with the name Heym
???

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      #212411 - 10/07/12 05:09 AM

I counted the "Heym's" and "Heim's" in the data collection of Kellner & Pape, until now published only in a small number as a private printing. The only Heym with an N mentioned is a Johann Nicolaus Heym, documented for 1852 in Suhl. Sorry, but more info is not available, but the time fits your rifle, which is certainly pre-1870. For that period the books by Heer:"Der Neue Stöckl" may provide more info. K&P list several more Suhl Heyms from the 1852 directory: Gottlieb, Jacob, Stephan, Friedrich Wilhelm, Johann Ernst, Friedrich August, Conrad, Wilhelm.
H.J.Fritze: "Suhl - Heimat der Büchsenmacher" has a listing of the Suhl guntrade, prepared by the US Army after they took Suhl, dated April 13, 1945. It still has two competing Heym "factories":
"Friedrich Wilhelm Heym" at Schillingstr 7 and Mauerstr. 3. This is the predecessor of the today Heym GmbH, Gleichamberg. Founded 1865 by the brothers Christoph and Adolf Heym. Since 1937 "Friedrich Wilhelm Heym".
And "Gebrüder Heym", Schlageterstr. 43, founded 1913 by Richard and Bruno Heym.
In the 1930s there were additional independent Heyms: Max Heym, Drusselstr.31, and Wilhelm Heym, who made the Heym Heeren action falling block rifles. How all these Heyms and Heims (Spelling often changed) were related is beyond my knowledge.

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