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Double Rifle Grease
      #21207 - 23/11/04 03:19 PM

I've always used plain ole' Outer's gun greae on the bearing surfaces for my doubles... and I've read of the Britts using "whale oil/grease."

Just curious to find out what everyone else uses and what they recommend.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: new_guy]
      #21216 - 23/11/04 08:16 PM

I have been using Kilima n'jaro Grease for some time now, Keith tossed it in with the sale of a shotgun from MacDonalds Gunshop several years ago. That one small pot will probably see me out. The over-the-counter price seemed a bit steep at the time, but it works very well and I'd have no hesitation recommending it now.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: Marrakai]
      #21232 - 24/11/04 02:06 AM

briley's choke tube greese on bearing surfaces.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: bonanza]
      #21241 - 24/11/04 05:26 AM

What about plain automotive grease? Do you really need to get so fancy?

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: CptCurl]
      #21242 - 24/11/04 05:46 AM

I don't know... maybe automotive grease works fine. That's why I asked.

But given the comparative expense ratio of double gun prices to cost of grease... a little extra "premium" prevention wouldn't seem too expensive.



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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: new_guy]
      #21246 - 24/11/04 06:30 AM

Brileys choke tube grease has about twice the viscosity of car grease. Remember the hinge pin gets punished every shot. The grease cushions the blows as well as lubricates.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: bonanza]
      #21248 - 24/11/04 06:37 AM


Kilima n'jaro Grease

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: 500Nitro]
      #21252 - 24/11/04 06:47 AM

I know where to get Briley's.

But what about Kilimanjaro Grease - anyone know of a US supplier?

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: new_guy]
      #21253 - 24/11/04 06:51 AM

new_guy - you're not new anymore.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: bonanza]
      #21254 - 24/11/04 06:55 AM

i guess i didn't think about that when i registered...

i figured they wouldn't like what i had to say here, would ban me and my longevity on the forum would be short lived.



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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: new_guy]
      #21256 - 24/11/04 07:25 AM

As someone on this forum says "We band of brothers" - explains this group of gun nuts.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: new_guy]
      #21258 - 24/11/04 07:37 AM

Well, I've been using automotive grease without any problems. The heavy wheel bearing grease is pretty viscous and sticks like hell.

A buddy of mine has some special grease he ordered from somewhere. I don't see that it is a bit better, except that it came in something like a hypodermic syringe so you can squirt it into the recesses. He usually gets it all over everything. I just use a toothpick to dab a little on my guns.

Hope this isn't too much of a faux pas! Back in these Virginia hills we have to make do with what's on hand.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: CptCurl]
      #21260 - 24/11/04 09:03 AM

I use Koppers all weather lube, Shooters Choice, Tetra Gun Fluoropolymer penetrating heavy-duty grease lubricant, or RIG Grease.
Tetra Gun may be the "slickest", but I do not think it matters as long as you use Grease and keep your rifle "
Greased Up." I have a couple of thousand rounds through each of my doubles with no apparent wear. I do not spare the grease.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: CptCurl]
      #21263 - 24/11/04 09:49 AM

In reply to:

Well, I've been using automotive grease without any problems. The heavy wheel bearing grease is pretty viscous and sticks like hell.



I agree. Quality EP bearing grease, preferably of the "tacky" type is my first choice.


Hippo fat, whale oil, and vaselene all have their place but not anywhere near double rifle actions!

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: new_guy]
      #21270 - 24/11/04 12:57 PM

I've always used white grease and welcome any informed opinions regarding this.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: luv2safari]
      #21272 - 24/11/04 01:12 PM

Luv2 safari said:-
I've always used white grease and welcome any informed opinions regarding this.


Marrakai was looking for some white grease some time ago when I asked the question about protective coatings in the tropics.
He told me he couldnt find a supplier anymore.
Might be worth contacting him.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #21283 - 24/11/04 03:05 PM

Here's Napier's (London) White Gun Grease... I've never used it though.

www.napierusa.com



VP90 Gun Grease
Gun Grease Tube 25ml (1.05 Oz)

Supplied in a new easy to dispense plastic tube with large non-slip cap. This WHITE grease is highly water resistant (to DIN 51807). VP90 operates effectively in temperatures of -20c to +120c.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: new_guy]
      #21297 - 25/11/04 01:27 AM

Ok stupid question. I just purchased a Searcy 470 NE and they never mentioned anything about "greasing" the gun. What is this all about?

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: crl]
      #21298 - 25/11/04 01:37 AM

THEY SHOULD HAVE!!! Surely Butch knows better than that.

The area that receives the most wear on your double is the area where the barrel hook meets the hinge pin... In theory, each time you open and close it, a little wear takes place (you've got metal sliding against metal). You've also typically got a "hardened" hing pin sliding against an "unhardened" barrel hook.

This same are is also where the most stress is placed on the gun during firing, as the barrel lump exerts pressure on the hinge pin each time the gun is fired.

You should always put a little greas on the barrel hook & hinge pin to help eliminate the wear of metal sliding against metal (think of an ungreased wheel bearing).

I also put a little on the side of the barrel hook (where it slides against the receiver) and the front of the receiver where the forearm iron meets.

Get some greasey for that Searcy

PS - remove and replace the greae everytime you shoot/clean the gun.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: new_guy]
      #21320 - 25/11/04 02:36 PM

New...

Thanks for the info. I just ordered three tubes. I've been using white grease from an auto parts and auto body supply store. It is probably the same thing, but I like the idea of buying from the gun trade instead...people who supply what we all like and search out.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: luv2safari]
      #21330 - 26/11/04 03:14 AM


The Napier VP90 Gun Grease Tube 25ml ( 1.05 oz)
is available in Australia and NZ as I import and Distribute
Napier products in Australia and NZ.

Cost is about $12.

The VP90 is corrosion protection.


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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: 500Nitro]
      #23095 - 01/01/05 04:07 PM

I suppose grease is OK if your going to keep the gun in a closet or gun cabinet....but for hunting on Safari, I dab a little transmission oil on my finger and rub the contact surfaces and wipe that off with a dry finger...the action won't get gritty and gauld that way..I use about any kind of good quality grease when the gun is not in use.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: atkinson6]
      #23169 - 02/01/05 01:40 PM

STOS !

= "SLICKER THAN OWL SHIT"

Made by Ponsness Warren the shotgun reloader folks.

Many competitive shotgunners are using STOS on the hinge pins of their competion guns. Works very well and all you need is a tiny amount. I learnt of it 5 years ago from the trap shooters and have since been using only this.

What is nice about it is that it does not gall in the very cold or over time



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PONSNESS/WARREN STOS LUBRICANT
SLICKER THAN OWL #@&*!! Over twenty years ago, Ponsness/Warren developed a special, moisture resistant, non-petroleum lubricant, called STOS. Quickly everyone realized that STOS was the best all-around grease on the market. We apply STOS on every reloader we build to ensure long- lasting, friction-free performance, use it on all our high grade and every day firearms, along with all the machining equipment at Ponsness/Warren. STOS is also ideal for case re-sizing, fishing reels, automotive parts, gear and cam surfaces, or anywhere that requires lubrication.

STOS PIN-POINT APPLICATOR



This applicator is filled with our special STOS grease. Itąs equipped with a one inch, hollow, steel tip for those hard-to-reach places. Ideal for trigger assemblies, fishing reels, household needs, etc. 1 lb

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: 500Nitro]
      #23246 - 03/01/05 01:14 PM

500Nitro,

I got the Napier grease and like it very much. I'll order several more, now that I have used it a bit.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: new_guy]
      #23317 - 04/01/05 12:16 AM

I was talking with Butch Searcy the other day in reference to my 'Searcy Deluxe .500 NE 3"' and I mentioned the grease question. He said that they use 'Tetra' grease which is a fluropolymer that becomes dry to the touch.

That's straight from the 'horses' mouth.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: Sam_Clemmons]
      #23385 - 04/01/05 05:22 AM

Good call Sam, grease atracts sand and dirt...so when I hunt I clean the action and use tetra or mostly I use a dab of tranmission oil on my finger and rub it on the surfaces...

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: 4seventy]
      #23411 - 04/01/05 07:28 AM

I think you are pretty close 4 seventy,

My career spanned over three decades with a major oil company with responsibilities for major million dollar equipment and the correct lubrication of such.

The EP you mentioned means "extreme pressure". This is what you want on a hinge pin as it is a VERY HEAVILY LOADED part upon firing. One needs film strength here for the best of wear/shockload capabilities.

It matters not whether the lube is snow white with "purity" or smells of the essense of rose or even what someone (including gun manufacturers) necessarily passes on as good.

E.P. lubricants worth their salt have a test in the manufacturer's lab called "Timken O.K. load" The number will be in pounds. 50 is good but 70 is way better and few lubes reach 70. That is what I use a NLGI #1 grease E.P. with a Timken O.K. load of 70 or more.......... This will buy you all the lubrication and protection a lubricant can provide.

One should stay away from light oils as hinge pin replacement is not cheap, and that is where the no-shock load capability oils will take you.....

Some of the newer Auto trans fluid have some E.P. additives but not to the numbers mentioned above. If I just had to have oil I would use one of these.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: BigRx]
      #23654 - 07/01/05 03:29 PM

BigRx and 4seventy,

The grease I use is Lucas X-tra Heavy Duty Grease.

After reading your post I did a search on the internet to find out its specs. Here is a link for the specs.

Lucas X-tra Heavy Duty Grease

From what you have said, this ought to handle the task. And it doesn't stink too much, either.

Thanks for the info,
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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: CptCurl]
      #23692 - 08/01/05 07:17 AM

CptCurl,

It appears your Lucas product has good Timken O.K. load numbers as well as good 4-ball test numbers. I think you will be fine with it.

Clean throughly and lightly re-lube often. Even light oils will carry abrasives where they are not wanted........ So clean and lube everytime the barrels are off or everytime the double sees dusty conditions is my opinion. With the small amount of grease (or elbow grease) needed it is cheap insurance over the long haul and can be done anywhere.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: BigRx]
      #23715 - 08/01/05 02:16 PM

BigRx,

I thank you for your informed input. I can almost afford buying a DR toy or so in my lifetime and have several better quality sxs shotguns and a bevy of beloved drillings. I want to protect them as much as possible and feel you have set me straight!

I believe I speak for many here...

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: BigRx]
      #23835 - 10/01/05 12:32 PM

BigRx,

I too thank you for your knowledgible input.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: CptCurl]
      #23846 - 10/01/05 03:14 PM

Your welcome fellas! It pleases me something once my job can now be a benefit to fellow shooters! BigRx

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: BigRx]
      #23872 - 11/01/05 02:49 AM

Automotive products will contain additives you don't want and lack ones you do want. In particular motor oil will not inhibit rust as well as a good gun oil.

Not an Earth shaking difference, wheel grease is certainly better than no grease, but I still hold to the idea that for the purpose lubricants are a little better.

As for the grease cushioning the hinge pin hook interface, it bothers me a little that working the action a few times tends to wipe the grease away from the area where it is most needed. No easy answer for that one I guess, except that I regrease before each shooting session. (Clean away the previous grease, dust or no dust, so you don't end up over lubed.)

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: unspellable]
      #23884 - 11/01/05 06:29 AM

Unspellable,

Do you have a recommendation of what to use on the hinge?

I can say that rust protection is not my purpose in greasing the hinge. My practice is to apply a small amount of grease when I put the rifle into service - either to shoot or to hunt. At the end of the session or the end of the day I disassemble the rifle and thoroughly clean off the grease, along with cleaning the rest of the rifle.

The next day's hunt or next shooting session I follow the same procedure.

I rely on other products for cleaning and rust protection.

On the issue of "cushioning" of the hinge pin, I defer to the expertise of others. However, I did some cursory research after BigRx made mention of the "Timken ok load rating" because I had never heard of the term. A google search turned up lots of information about this test, including specifics on the Timken website. I learned that the test does give a measure of how the extreme pressure additives add to the mix.

Here is the blurb on Timken's website:

Timken website

Here is a graphic explanation of the test:

Timken load test

And yet another discussion of that test:

EP testing

Anyway, I'm not an engineer, but I did find this interesting. I then searched for and found the specifications for the automotive grease I have been using, just for the sake of curiosity.

I remain open to trying other products that have better characteristics and would welcome your suggestions.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: unspellable]
      #23908 - 11/01/05 10:04 AM

My post was related to industrial lubricants, but one shouldn't say "automotive" grease like it is a bad word because THEY ARE SOME OF THE BEST lubricants for shock load. Many E.P. greases fit either in the finest machinery or your old car.

The hinge pin seems to wipe all lube away, but a thin film stays with a quality EP lubricant. Just a few thousandths of an inch or even less........ What we want to prevent is metal to metal contact! Oil will not do this adequately; especially light viscosity oil. Even more for our case is the angular, even torsional load the hinge pin sees in a side x side double firing first one barrel than the other. This has a tendency to "wallow" the pin fit rather than wear it evenly. We are talking clearance amounts one may see or not see with the naked eye. But a good E.P. will protect these high load spots. That is what our goal is!

Some greases are better than others for "staying put" or remaining where you want them, where the action is.

I have a rather un-scientific test for this "clinging" ability. Stick a finger into the grease a quarter inch or so. Pull away from the grease slowly and the grease should try to "string out" from the container to your finger.

The best I have seen in this "clinging test" is a Chevron product called "Ultra-Duty EP" It is red in color and I have had it "string out" three feet or more in little red threads of grease! Chevron advertises that it "stays where you put it". I will say this is a true statement.

Not only that, it has a Timken O.K. load of 70 . . . . .

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: BigRx]
      #23910 - 11/01/05 11:13 AM

Info sheet on Chevron Ultra-Duty Grease EP
CHEVRON ULTRA-DUTY GREASES EP
Link points to a file in Adobe Acrobat format (a pdf file).

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: BFaucett]
      #23911 - 11/01/05 11:20 AM

where do you find this EP grease?

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: Rusty]
      #23940 - 12/01/05 05:07 AM

Rusty,

You may try one of the several Chevron distributors there in the Houston area if the Ultra-Duty mentioned is what you want. This thread has info to check for good "numbers" for another product if you wanted to as well.

I have used the Ultra-Duty in number 1 grade for years for hinge pins and even in old Winchesters with sliding dovetail fits on parts that cannot be replaced. (except used parts) I have seen no wear over the years, only polish in all applications......... So it is a product that has worked for me with a good track record.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: BigRx]
      #24720 - 21/01/05 07:34 AM

Here's another that seems to meet BigRx's criteria by Citgo.

Mystic JT-6

Has a Timken Load of 80.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: BigRx]
      #24763 - 21/01/05 01:24 PM

bigrx,

...would you also consider kroil as a potential hinge pin lubricant, given its molecular size characteristics and non-attractive properties in respect of dirt and dust?...

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: ThomasEdwards]
      #24808 - 22/01/05 03:31 AM

Hi Thomas,

Kroil is probably the best penetrant I have seen. Put a little on a rusted bolt and nut and usually quite quickly the nut will turn off with the rust now a redish-brown mixed with the oil.........

Humm? I can't quite understand why the general opinion is that light oil doesn't carry abrasives with it at times. Maybe sand will not stay in suspension, but sand shouldn't get into the tight fit of our hinge pin and lug in a double in good shape. It is the grit in micron size that becomes lapping compound and oil MAY CARRY IT IN EASIER! Grease actually catches small particles like a shield somewhat in the small amount forming a "bead" around our greased fit. A lot of operation may "blend" it in eventually; but I contend oil will do it faster and easier.
One shouldn't confuse the cleaning, flushing, filtering benefits of a pressure lubrication system with oil that is dribbled on with no new supply for a period. Dribbled oil no way has shock load like 50 psi pressure lubrication as well.
I have thought which machinery I have seen that sees some of the worst conditions. Rock and mining type crushing operations are among the worst for dust, grit, and HEAVY load. Oil lubrication if there is pressurized and well filtered. But by far and large the bearings exposed to this constant grit are GREASED with an E.P. quality grease. Engineers like equipment that can be greased often to flush and renew the grease and any contaminants within.
The very best protection on a double hinge pin IMHO is the same with the joint being cleaned thoroughly and re-lubed often.
I suppose one will use what they want as a lube on their hinge pin. I have only expressed what I use with many details as to why it is my choice.

Best, BigRx

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: BigRx]
      #24849 - 22/01/05 01:49 PM

bigrx,

...appreciate your thoughts...have also heard that automotive lubricants ('pre-fuel injection' carburetor cleaners, transmission oil, etc.) are amongst the best available...

...good shooting/hunting...

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: ThomasEdwards]
      #25275 - 28/01/05 02:56 AM

Impressive this BigRx!!!

I don’t know how to thank You all.
I ever cleaned my guns thoroughly and thought I was smart.
WD40 everywhere save 1) chokes smeared with Beretta choke grease 2) hidden part of the barrel pasted with Silicone Grease 3) bluing smeared with Silicone Grease because this grease doesn’t easily wear off.
I was pulling the leg of a friend who smeared his lugs and hinges with “ Tacky chainsaw grease”, he is not wrong.
I am convinced and I’ll do my best to dig Timken and Mystic products out.

Funny thing RUSTY involved in oiling advices . No mockery intended.


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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: larcher]
      #25504 - 01/02/05 09:43 AM

larcher,

I'm probably wading into deep water by making this comment.

I'll preface by declaring before the Creator and everyone who cares to read this post, that I have no expertise with lubricants. Furthermore, I'm not an engineer or otherwise educated in the physical sciences.

Now, having made that disclaimer I will make my comment:

WD40 has to be the WORST product I know of to put ANYWHERE on a firearm. I mean it. It cruds up anything. If used often enough it will cause any firearm to malfunction. On triggers and other small parts it is a disaster. It is made to leave a gummy film, and that film builds and builds. After several years it is hard to remove even with strong solvents.

The only thing WD40 is good for is removing road tar from the fender of your automobile.

Having given you my adamently negative opinion, let me say something positive:

For a rust preservative use RIG. It is an age-old product made specifically for that purpose. It is sold by Brownells and is available in many sporting goods stores. A little goes a long way, and if you are like me a small can of it will last you for years.

I don't own stock in, work for, or have any interest in Brownells or whoever makes WD40.

Just my $0.02 worth!!!

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: CptCurl]
      #29294 - 11/04/05 07:25 AM

I have been using the Krieghoff
gun glide. I shot about 25 rounds
Saturday and noticed the grease
was pushed out and almost a liquid.
I cleaned it up and reapplied.Today
I shot another 25 rounds. Same results
with fresh grease. I will go to a high
pressure grease from now on. The temp
was only 86F. During the summer here
another 20 degrees would be very common.

Ken
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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: BFaucett]
      #120297 - 04/12/08 12:49 PM

The Chevron grease is marketed in Australia as Caltex Ultra Duty Grease No1 and No2 but will this grease affect the stock in any way?

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: RLI]
      #120352 - 05/12/08 04:02 AM

The Lucas grease is available here in the UK but I don't know about the Chevron (Texaco?). Good tip and far cheaper than gunmaker grease (like Perazzi).

Somebody mentioned Kroil above - that is great stuff for bores but I hesitate to use it anywhere else and beware how much it 'creeps' because you don't want it draining into the stock. It is also hard to find in the UK (Midway UK used to have it but now only has Kano Microil, but its not the same thing; Livens stocks it too). I have started trying 3-in-1 High Performance Penetrant http://www.3inone.com/products/penetrant-drip-spray/ - seems ok so far but I'm not sure how much I trust it and i haven't used it long enough to notice whether there is any residue build up (I think it is silicone based). Kroil has the best reputation. Still, Parker Hale Express gun oil is good stuff too.

Another useful product that was recommended to me is Mercury/Quicksilver Power Tune which is great for flushing carbon residue and other rubbish out of barrels and far more effective and cheaper than other 'gun cleaners'.

I still favour so-called "abrasive" compounds for removing copper, something that doesn't actually need doing very often, currently Montana Extreme Copper Cream http://www.montanaxtreme.com/products/copper_cream.php

If I use anything on the locks/trigger etc then it is sewing machine oil or watch oil. Hornby model train oil works too but at a higher cost.

Exterior metal care is generally a very lightly oiled rag. I'd like to know if anyone had tried Eezox on blued barrels as it has a good rust proofing reputation on 'unfinished' match barrels. Leaves a 'dry' finish which is fine for my stainless/synthetic rifles.

Of course, before shooting the bore is wiped out with Iso Propanol (rubbing alcohol 99.7%+) (used for cleaning electonic circuit boards etc) - very good degreaser that evaporates and leaves no residue or lighter fluid if I run out! Makes the first shot a bit high and right, but thereafter no problems!

Edited by JabaliHunter (06/12/08 12:52 AM)

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #120357 - 05/12/08 05:20 AM

Gentlemens:

While not a lubricant expert, I thought I would toss in a couple of pennies...

Being an machinist type, I have always used center lube on hinge pins. Center lube is the lubricant used between a dead (stationary) center and a revolving part in a lathe or cylindrical grinder. It is designed to maintain a boundary layer of lubricant under extreme pressure and rotational movement between the center and the moving work. I figured if it would hold up under these conditions it would do so on a hinge pin. Good stuff.

Back longer ago than I care to remember when I was a pup, I was told by someone who was then an old timer that center lube used to be a whale oil product, but they had now found ways to make petroleum product hold up to the pressure. Perhaps this explains the reference to the Brits using whale oil on their hinge pins.

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: Glenn_Fewless]
      #120442 - 06/12/08 04:27 AM

Hi all,

For what it's worth, here is my two cents worth.

I have been using Mobil 1 synthetic grease on my guns and rifles, and every one that goes out the shop door.

I stress to customers, that quite a few are trap shooters and shoot in hot weather and shoot many rounds, to apply this grease on the bearing points I instruct them on.

One main point I stress is to completely wipe off all old grease/oil /dirt, and apply fresh grease before putting the firearm together before use.

Remember, if not cleaned, you have lapping compound! Dust dirt and whatever in the case and air mixed with old gease just causes problems. I am amazed at the amount of folks that don't lube the hinge on the action and forend hanger. I get too many trap shooter's guns that have excessive wear and gauling one their actions.

Mobil 1 is hard to find in some places. I have a friend pick it up for me, and drop it off while passing though. One tube should last the average guy 2 lifetimes!

I have used the old Birmingham trade lube ( 3 in 1 oil and vasaline ) , for years, but this is just not good enough. It runs in hot weather and the oil varnishes up. Another suggestion is to throw any 3-1 oil away. This stuff turns to gummy varnish, and fast!

I have done some testing in my shop on oils and lubes, and this is what I now use.

Mobil 1 synthetic is red in color, and that is the only thing I do not care for.

There again, just my two cents worth.

Mark

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: new_guy]
      #120446 - 06/12/08 05:19 AM

Quote:

I've always used plain ole' Outer's gun greae on the bearing surfaces for my doubles... and I've read of the Britts using "whale oil/grease."



I have a small bottle of sperm whale oil that came with my sextant. Besides being almost impossible to get these days because of the endangered status of whales, it is an extremely light, thin oil. I would think that it would not offer much protection in hard use, when heavy parts are moving against each other, or during recoil. It works well in a sextant, because we handle it gently and move it slowly. Lives can depend on the sextant or the double rifle, but the uses are so different.

Take care, Tom

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Re: Double Rifle Grease [Re: new_guy]
      #120983 - 12/12/08 09:04 AM

Kilamanjaro grease.

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