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Tentman
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Model B (?) in 9.3x62
#207817 - 29/04/12 06:36 AM

Hello Folks

I have just purchased (via auction)the rifle in the photos below, its not yet to hand for better pictures and confirmation but it sure looks like a Model B to me. I hope to make contact with the previous owner to establish a little provenance (?? which game in NZ would you really need a 9.3 for, so was it for use in Australia or Africa etc, did the owner move here to NZ with the rifle ??).

Cheers

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Southland, New Zealand

Edited by CptCurl (26/05/12 09:17 AM)

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Grenadier
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: Tentman]
#207818 - 29/04/12 07:37 AM

Nice find. That is a wonderful classic in a very nice caliber. You might get tempted to make alterations, especially with the sights, but I don't think changes could improve it one bit.

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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: Tentman]
#207819 - 29/04/12 07:37 AM

Looks like a well used Model B. I knew an old hunter up in the North Island who swore by the 9.3 for bush shooting deer. Would be a good Fiordland rifle on bigger animals in or out of the bush. Your find would be a good project to restore.

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kuduae
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: Tentman]
#207820 - 29/04/12 07:40 AM

Yes, IMHO it is a typical B Mauser. From the photos it is datable by stock, barrel shank ahape and the tangent rear sight to the 1912 to 1930 period. Knowledge of the serial number would allow a closer dating. As it lacks a double set trigger, it was most likely intended for export.

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Tentman
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: kuduae]
#207823 - 29/04/12 09:34 AM

Well I have just learnt that the serial no is 913xx , which puts it in the 1924-25 period I think (I don't have any original references).

I will post more detailed and copmlete photos once I receive the rifle.

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Southland, New Zealand

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Sarg
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: Tentman]
#207826 - 29/04/12 10:17 AM

I think you were lucky you took a fast punt on that one LoL

I hope the barrel works out good for you !

Cheers

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TilleyMan
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: Sarg]
#207836 - 29/04/12 11:36 AM

Nice pickup

Appears to be a Mauser Type B Pattern No 80... see images from original Mauser export catalogue:

Here's the Type A

And the Type B

Edited by CptCurl (26/05/12 09:18 AM)

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tophet1
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: TilleyMan]
#207840 - 29/04/12 11:55 AM

As an avid 9.3x62 owner I am very envious of your purchase.

The 9.3x62 was developed circa 1906 (before the .30-06) for German colonial African residents to have a cheap cartridge that was big enough to clear game from future farming and grazing land and put meat on the table for pioneering families.

Germanys colonial holdings in Africa were comparable in size to the english and portuguese empires in Africa and the production of Mauser '98's in this calibre made them available to all.

Just like the .375H&H, it was designed to kill any large soft skinned animal on the planet.

Edit: The various 9.3mm calibres are popular in europe, particularly Scandinavian (and Germanic) countrys. In the last ten years the 9.3x62 has become more accepted in NZ, Australia and the USA as it's effectiveness and availablity has become rcognised.

Conversion of standard length magazine rifles requires little more than a re-barrel.

Edited by tophet1 (29/04/12 12:01 PM)

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Tentman
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: tophet1]
#207848 - 29/04/12 08:57 PM

Well having spoken to the owner this is an interesting rifle.

He thinks it came into his family in the late 40's or early 50's, at the time his father was farming in Rhodesia. At that time there was still a bit of game passing through or close to their farm and his father took a few buffalo and possibly elephant with it (there were other rifles in the armory). In the 80's and 90's farming became untenable and the current owner moved to NZ in 2000. By this time the only game about was the odd pig and occasional hyena.

Sadly he is now moving on again to Australia and the difficulties of taking the rifle with him outweigh his desire to continue hunting and firearms ownership.

So changes the world, I wonder for the better !

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Southland, New Zealand

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mckinney
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: Tentman]
#207857 - 30/04/12 03:07 AM

I'd say it's definitely a Type B that looks to be complete and unaltered. If the barrel works out I'd leave it just like it is. Lots of character there. Enjoy!

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Tentman
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: mckinney]
#208124 - 07/05/12 04:44 PM

Hello Folks

Well the rifle is to hand, and is everything a totally honest and original Model B should be, complete down to a slightly chipped butt-plate as they all seem to have. The barrel is excellent (but very slim at the muzzle) and there are 49 rounds of ammo ranging from a box of Norma 232gn to what looks like 300gn solids. Some primers have a blue/violet dye ring - what does that mean?

It has several minor differences to any other Model B I've seen, I'll get photos and details up on the photos list ASAP.

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tophet1
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: Tentman]
#208125 - 07/05/12 05:28 PM

I've always understood the 'die ring" to indicate primers sealed against moisture ingress. I've only seen it on military issue ammo.

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Tentman
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: tophet1]
#208128 - 07/05/12 08:06 PM

And more mystery . . . the butt-stock has a tiny little "broad arrow" with a "T" above it in a little circle, and a 3 digit number beside it. The bolt is as far as I can tell is a commercial bolt with the BU proofs but is not numbered to the rifle.

The previous owner knew nothing about the arrow mark, but thought it just possible that the bolt may have been replaced after a house fire in the 1940's.

It does make one wonder though if some sort of agency once had the rifle and acting in the sloppy sort of way of the bureaucracy , mixed up some bolts and rifles. Any ideas folks ?

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mckinney
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: Tentman]
#208135 - 08/05/12 01:56 AM

Glad to hear the bore is good. That's usually the biggest issue.

As to the markings, this rifle might have been confiscated at some point by a government armory (particularly if it came from Africa) and marked by them. I have 3 type B's that came out of S. Africa with the Mauser serial numbers polished off and a new serial number applied. It could be something like that or it could be the identifying mark of a gun or shooting club or even the owner. If I had to guess, I would say one of the latter. It only adds to the character in my view.

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mckinney
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: mckinney]
#208136 - 08/05/12 01:59 AM

By the way, does the bolt number match the serial number of the rifle? If its original to the rifle it should be marked with the last 2 or more digits of the rifle's serial number.

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Tentman
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Re: Model B (?) in 9.3x62 [Re: mckinney]
#208148 - 08/05/12 12:55 PM

The bolt with the rifle is numbered, but is not a match to the reciever numbers, and there is a distinct variation between the patina of both. All part of the fun and games of being a low end Mauser sporting rifle collector (this one cost about US$480, the last one I got was US$360)- ya pays ya money and takes ya chances !!.

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