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dearmer
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Paradox or Explora?
      #207220 - 17/04/12 08:18 AM

If you had the choice of buying either a Paradox or an Explora which would you say is more desirable, or which would you buy? Lets assume both are in good condition and priced accordingly.

Why would you make your choice? Ease of loading, Sidelock vs Boxlock etc.

Thanks

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Re: Paradox or Explora? [Re: dearmer]
      #207222 - 17/04/12 08:23 AM

Tough one, it'd depend on the actual rifles.
I've seen some pretty beautiful Exploras and Super Exploras.
If that would be a Super Explora with drop locks I'd likely go with the WR.

I can't imagine one being more or less easy or difficult to load.
I'd expect both rifles to shoot about the same.
I'd also be in fast contact with a few fellows who'd owned both and get their opinion..!

Hang in there, such guys will likely soon chime in...





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Re: Paradox or Explora? [Re: tinker]
      #207232 - 17/04/12 09:41 AM


Solely depends on the gun.

I would take a better quality William Evans over an H&H Dominion Paradox but that is me.

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Re: Paradox or Explora? [Re: dearmer]
      #207237 - 17/04/12 11:48 AM

The Holland may have more loading options and therefor easier to load for but a best engraved Westley droplock rifled choke gun......

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Re: Paradox or Explora? [Re: gatsby]
      #207271 - 18/04/12 06:48 AM

Thanks for the replies. Since so many have stated that the main consideration would be the individual guns I'll tell you what I know (very little at this time).

The Westley is NOT a droplock. It is however fully engraved and stated to be in very good to excellent condition with original untouched bores needing nothing.

The H&H is a 2nd gen Royal with hand detachable locks and strap over comb. It is also supposed to have original untouched bores. It is being restocked in England as the original stock is "broken." Everything else is supposed to be in very good to excellent condition.

Both guns have little coloring left but have not been brushed. Neither is a Magnum.

I know it's not much to go on. I haven't even seen photos yet. Just trying to get an idea of which way people would lean, while I await more info.

Thanks again.

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Re: Paradox or Explora? [Re: dearmer]
      #207272 - 18/04/12 07:04 AM



What do you mean by 2nd gen ? (H&H)


With the Westley, what shape is the Action ?
Does it have straight lines or curved / sculpted ?

Reason for asking is this may be a higher grade gun
if sculpted.

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Re: Paradox or Explora? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #207275 - 18/04/12 07:41 AM

2nd generation meaning NOT one of the original Royals with the dipped-edge locks. Also not a dominion or climax. Basically the action everyone thinks of when referring to an H&H.

As to the Westley, I know what you're asking. I just don't know the answers.

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Re: Paradox or Explora? [Re: dearmer]
      #207276 - 18/04/12 09:33 AM

Is it possible to get bore measurements on these two guns? We would be very interested in anything you can get. Bore diameters, chamber lengths, choke constriction, weight, barrel length, etc.

I'd recommend the Paradox if you want to actually use it as a slug gun. H&H even has Paradox ammunition loaded that may work in the gun you are considering. Holland should test it if they are doing the restocking job. As a last resort, it can be reregulated to the current ammunition. I highly recommend you load for it. Slight variations in original loadings limit the usefulness of the current factory stuff - It is not a one-size-fits-all situation. There are people here in the US that can do the load workup if you like.

The explora required a special projectile to work as origianlly advertised. Unfortunately, the slugs are not available. I have seen targets shot with an Explora, custom loaded using standard fosbery slugs, that looked very good at 50 yards. Heavier, usually running 7 1/2-8 lbs (can someone confirm this?)

From an investment perspective condition is key.

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Re: Paradox or Explora? [Re: CommandCar]
      #207278 - 18/04/12 10:17 AM


Understand what you mean by 2nd Gen.

I call them AB Actions but not sure that is totally correct
but current shape is another way I maybe should describe them.

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Re: Paradox or Explora? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #207352 - 19/04/12 09:05 AM

Sorry. No other info at this time. I wouldn't buy without getting bore measurements though.

I can and do load my own ammo, but prefer it to be easier rather than harder. For that reason I think I'm leaning towards an H&H. I don't really need the velocity the Explora gives and I'm not convinced the trajectory would be much better without the LT slugs.

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Re: Paradox or Explora? [Re: dearmer]
      #207355 - 19/04/12 09:17 AM


Go the H&H for ease of reloading then if you are going to shoot it.

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Re: Paradox or Explora? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #207357 - 19/04/12 10:11 AM

I suggest that for a gun that will be shot exclusively as a rifle, get a rifle.

For a gun that will be shot exclusively as a shotgun, get a shotgun.

For a gun that will be shot as a rifle and as a shotgun, get an H&H Paradox gun.

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