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twalker
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Von Lengerke & Antione M-1903
#203525 - 24/02/12 08:39 AM

I've got a well used full stock rifle (23 inch barrel) imported through Von Lengerke & Antoine, Chicago in 1920. Is there still some demand for the rifle length 6.5x54?

I've been thinking of letting it go, but after each afternoon at the range it goes back into the safe.

Edited by CptCurl (16/03/12 11:17 PM)

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twalker
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Re: Von Lengerke & Antione M-1903 [Re: twalker]
#203630 - 25/02/12 04:25 AM

Maybe I should rephrase this one...

Does anyone else have experience with the rifle vs carbine model 1903 and is there a preference for one over the other?

As always, thanks for any insights you may have.

Terry

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Re: Von Lengerke & Antione M-1903 [Re: twalker]
#203693 - 25/02/12 06:53 PM

The full stock rifles are not common. Most rifles (23") are half stock. I've seen one or two others over the years. I have seen no increased interest in the rifles with the full stocks. Most prefer the full stock carbines as they are light, handy and pleasing to the eye.

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Re: Von Lengerke & Antione M-1903 [Re: A10ACN]
#203959 - 28/02/12 05:13 AM

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Does anyone else have experience with the rifle vs carbine model 1903 and is there a preference for one over the other?

I have both a M1903 carbine with 18" barrel and a half-stocked rifle by Gibbs with a 22" barrel. The difference is in the ballistics: The 10.3g = 159grs RWS standard factory load is listed with a MV of 670 m/sec = 2198 fps from a 45cm = 18" barrel. This velocity makes it barely illegal for use on any hoofed game except roe deer, as a minimum energy of 2000 joule at 100 m is required. From my 18" barrel it does slightly better, averaging 680 = 2230 fps over my chrony, but still illegal. From the 22" barrel of my Gibbs it clocks at 705 m/s = 2312 fps, making it legal. BTW my handloads with the 160gr Hornady do 735 m/s = 2400fps from the 22" barrel, duplicating the prewar #9 RWS load.
These results conform quite well to the old table "velocity vs. barrel length, 6.5mm", page 225 of the 1940 RWS handbook.

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Re: Von Lengerke & Antione M-1903 [Re: kuduae]
#203970 - 28/02/12 09:48 AM

Thanks Kuduae & A10ACN. This one is so trim and light already it's hard to imagine how the carbine would feel. Wouldn't mind finding out though.

Take care,

tw

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Re: Von Lengerke & Antione M-1903 [Re: twalker]
#205182 - 15/03/12 04:38 AM

I can see why it keeps coming home with you. I have a carbine, which is indeed very light and handy, and accurate as well. I have never seen a full-stocked rifle. All the British retailers fitted conventional shorter stocks, occasionally as take-downs. Why don't you telephone one of the auction houses like Julia's and see what they say?

I usually shoot the 140 grain bullets but they do not feed as smoothly as the 160 grs. I have been trying to find some 160 gr. solids, but without luck so far. It is rumoured that they exist in Austria - any ideas??

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Re: Von Lengerke & Antione M-1903 [Re: twalker]
#205211 - 15/03/12 03:38 PM

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I've got a well used full stock rifle (23 inch barrel) imported through Von Lengerke & Antoine, Chicago in 1920. Is there still some demand for the rifle length 6.5x54?

A simple answer. Yes. There is demand for the quintessential Mannlicher Schoenauer, the full wood carbine.

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Re: Von Lengerke & Antione M-1903 [Re: NitroX]
#205236 - 16/03/12 02:24 AM

Now THAT is a rifle I'd like to own - however it's ownership is not in the cards for me, of that, I'm quite certain.

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Re: Von Lengerke & Antione M-1903 [Re: DarylS]
#205238 - 16/03/12 02:51 AM

That's a really nice rifle.
I would love to own it.
Message me if it ever comes for sale.

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Re: Von Lengerke & Antione M-1903 [Re: HistoricBore]
#205800 - 23/03/12 08:48 AM

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I usually shoot the 140 grain bullets but they do not feed as smoothly as the 160 grs. I have been trying to find some 160 gr. solids, but without luck so far. It is rumoured that they exist in Austria - any ideas??

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