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100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters
#203290 - 22/02/12 07:49 PM

Here ya go $14.900 per hunter for a 25 buffalo bang up.

http://www.huntineurope.com/us/p_Australia-buffalo-driven.htm

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: gryphon]
#203293 - 22/02/12 08:05 PM

It's not a bad offer. I reckon quite a few in Europe would jump at the chance.

"Between 400 and 500 shots are fired to bring down the 100 buffalo expected"

I would hope the ratio would be slightly better than that.

A lot of work in skinning 100 buffalo and taking the meat off the animal.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203295 - 22/02/12 08:48 PM

Jumping just now!!!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203297 - 22/02/12 08:50 PM

Nigel when guides/outfitters here want big bucks for just one I thought this was a really good offer for those inclined to do so and that have the 15 Bigs too.
Many would find it cheap as chips and a lot of fun..whoo hoo a Monteria in Oz eh!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: gryphon]
#203304 - 22/02/12 09:13 PM

Gryph

Yep, agree when you look what they charge for one, it is good value.

The thing is, you could get 2 or 3 or even more good trophy and semi trophy animals out of the one's you shoot. And to be honest, some of the cow horns aren't too shabby either - I have a couple of really nice sets.

I can tell you that high speed culling is fast and furious
and rapid accurate fire is required. I think the most we have put down on the ground at one time was 21 (Some bulls, mostly cows and some calves) and that was between 2 of us in just about a minute.

So anyone who is interested, it is good fun.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203305 - 22/02/12 09:45 PM

I'll ask, who is behind this ?

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: tophet1]
#203309 - 22/02/12 11:08 PM

Jeez, I would love to do that trip, whats 14k ozzie in sterling, about 10k ? last bit of July would work, kids on holiday so SWMBO might let me go, have to ask her next week

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: tophet1]
#203310 - 22/02/12 11:08 PM

I couldn't see who was behind it.

What was interesting in the text was they are quite happy to have 3000 buffalo n the place but need to cull 1000 - 1500 a year to keep it stable.

Considering it is a cattle property, 3000 Buffalo eat one hell of a lot of feed AND destroy a hell of a lot of land etc.

Would be interesting where the place is.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203311 - 22/02/12 11:11 PM

ammo weight restriction might be a problem ? best

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203312 - 22/02/12 11:20 PM

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Would be interesting where the place is.

I could guess but I won't.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#203313 - 22/02/12 11:22 PM

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ammo weight restriction might be a problem ? best

That is an understatement !!!

We had to reload at night to shoot the next day. I know I took I think 40 or 60 rounds on the place of 375H&H.

My thought are Bolt action 375H&H. That is what I found to be the best culling caliber. Larger, too much recoil, smaller doesn't have the shock value of slightly off target. That means you can easily buy ammo here in Aus quite cheaply.

BTW, the gun gets damn hot during culls.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
#203314 - 22/02/12 11:26 PM

$600 per buffalo. Including daily fees etc. But $5000 for a guest!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
#203317 - 22/02/12 11:56 PM

But could I buy flanged .375 ?? Maybe Graeme Wright could knock some up, flight is a bugger though, Seville-Madrid-London-Singapore-Darwin, best

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#203318 - 23/02/12 12:02 AM

tried to send them a contact message, get some weird Italian message telling me I haven´t put in all obligatory details but I have ?? best

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#203319 - 23/02/12 12:08 AM

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But could I buy flanged .375 ?? Maybe Graeme Wright could knock some up, flight is a bugger though, Seville-Madrid-London-Singapore-Darwin, best

What about going via Europe instead of London ?

I think someone flies from Frankfurt.

Flanged 375 double ?

Nice thought and I have often thought of taking mine but I could never load fast enough.

In a cull, I'd probably table my 9.3x74R if any but still prefer a bolt.

They can come thick and fast in a mob in those driven situations.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203328 - 23/02/12 02:51 AM

I don´t own a bolt rifle above 6.5 ! and that is in the UK ! best

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#203340 - 23/02/12 05:45 AM

That answered that question !

Well, if you go, have fun.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
#203352 - 23/02/12 08:14 AM

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Would be interesting where the place is.

I could guess but I won't.

Conways Station?????

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
#203355 - 23/02/12 08:24 AM

I have a fair idea. The photos, if from the place all seem to be dry country, no flood plains.

Quite a few properties are bounded on most sides by National parks, Though 3000 Buffalo is one hell of a population to sustain. We culled a property that held about 1000, maybe more down to 400 and that was because of lack of feed in a dry season that was really dry.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#203359 - 23/02/12 08:37 AM

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I don´t own a bolt rifle above 6.5 ! and that is in the UK ! best

Mike - stop off for a visit on the way over, and borrow one of mine - a 9.3 or my little .375/06IMP would work just fine. I could pick you up at Vancouver International AP - only an 8 1/2 hour drive from here.

I can have 50 rounds of 270gr. TSX at 2,600fps ready for you if you want - more if needed. The 9.3, well, not too many good bullets in stock - but will get what you need.

HA! - probably a LOT easier to borrow or rent one there from 'one of the boys' 'over there'.

The offer for the pick-up and visit is still open.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203361 - 23/02/12 08:38 AM

The site shows it's a 600,000 hectare cattle station. That's quite a chunk of real estate! How many stations are that large?

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
#203364 - 23/02/12 08:46 AM

Quite a few. More so in WA than the NT.
You have to remember that even though Australia looks small on a map, the state of WA would cover HALF of the US 48 if laid over the top of it. So it is a bit bigger than Texas !!!

Here is a bit of info I found.

NT Wide Pastoral Survey 2006 - Executive Summary

This survey, conducted in 2004, is the first complete survey of the Northern Territory (NT) pastoral industry.

Three regions were surveyed more than 20 years ago - Alice Springs in 1979, the Barkly in 1980 and Katherine in 1982 - but the Top End pastoral region was not included. This survey reflects the results of interviews with 149 cattle producers across the four regions, accounting for 71% of producers in the NT.

The average size of a cattle station in the NT is 3122km2. On the stations surveyed across the NT there were approximately 1.4 million head. The predominant breed of cattle in the NT is Brahman but British breeds are the most prevalent in the Alice Springs Region, due to a less tropical environment.

The most common ownership structures of stations in the NT are owner/manager (32% of producers), private owned/manager employed (25%) and company/manager (25%). Six per cent of pastoral properties surveyed were Indigenous-owned land.

The majority of properties in the NT have a total herd size between 2000 and 5000 head (20% of properties) and more than 20,000 head (18%). The most common breeder herd size in the NT is that of 2000-5000 head (22%

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203365 - 23/02/12 08:49 AM

Have a look here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ranches_and_stations#Northern_Territory

Gives you some idea.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203368 - 23/02/12 08:57 AM

Wow! There is a lot of big stations dow there!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
#203372 - 23/02/12 09:50 AM

600000 hectares is 6000 km2.

So very big.

I spent a few weeks at various time here over a couple of years and I considered that big.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Plains_Station

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203377 - 23/02/12 10:34 AM

Wonderful that so much land is in private control there. Here most of the state is owned by the federal and state gov't and isn't available for private use. BUT we can hunt on it IF you figure out who's in control..

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
#203386 - 23/02/12 11:13 AM

The Gov't over here is trying to get it's hands on more and more land by declaring National Parks etc.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203395 - 23/02/12 02:57 PM

I know where the property is. This property is over-sold on this hunt, apparently, and the European agent listed here cannot book any more hunts.

Out of respect to the agent I cannot post the exact details - but he came to see me at SCI show this year.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203396 - 23/02/12 03:01 PM

I'm not surprised it is oversold. It's a good deal.

Good luck to him.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203397 - 23/02/12 03:05 PM

Well shall I say oversold and overestimated... I have experience of this property (not first hand but close) and things are rarely as they appear/told.

Is a monterria with a helicopter... really a monterria??

We offer a very simmilar deal - but a foot hunt, no helicopter needed, if anyone is interested. That is a cow hunt only however - a cull.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203398 - 23/02/12 03:07 PM

Aaaahh, yes, well .......

4000 - 4500 is a lot of Buffalo to hold on one station,
even if it is big.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203399 - 23/02/12 03:08 PM

Oh by the way - it is not Conways either I dont want that inference left here. The Stewart family are very good people...

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203400 - 23/02/12 03:08 PM

That agent is coming to hunt Sambar with me Matty,his son also,the son lives in Brisvegas.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: gryphon]
#203402 - 23/02/12 03:13 PM

Cool - do you know him? He seems like a good guy. Im not sure if I am going to be able to help him out (with the buff) but I offered.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203406 - 23/02/12 04:13 PM

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Oh by the way - it is not Conways either I dont want that inference left here. The Stewart family are very good people...

That's good to hear from another source! Thanks!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
#203408 - 23/02/12 04:41 PM

are you going hunting with them Mike?

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
#203411 - 23/02/12 04:54 PM

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Wonderful that so much land is in private control there. Here most of the state is owned by the federal and state gov't and isn't available for private use. BUT we can hunt on it IF you figure out who's in control..

Unfortunately not private owned. These stations are all owned by the Gov't and only leased to private individuals or companies. Except probably for 'traditional owners' who probably get to own the land for ever. Colour of skin seems to be important for land ownership.

When a lease runs out, the "traditional owners" step up the lobbying for changes of status and ownership. Same as pushes to make stations national parks etc.

From memory leases are often 50 years or 99 years.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
#203417 - 23/02/12 05:22 PM

It's a con.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
#203421 - 23/02/12 05:33 PM

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Quote:

Wonderful that so much land is in private control there. Here most of the state is owned by the federal and state gov't and isn't available for private use. BUT we can hunt on it IF you figure out who's in control..

Unfortunately not private owned. These stations are all owned by the Gov't and only leased to private individuals or companies. Except probably for 'traditional owners' who probably get to own the land for ever. Colour of skin seems to be important for land ownership.

When a lease runs out, the "traditional owners" step up the lobbying for changes of status and ownership. Same as pushes to make stations national parks etc.

From memory leases are often 50 years or 99 years.

A lease yes but not a lease in the traditional sense. The 'pastoral leases' can be bought, sold and renewed relatively easily and are close to being freehold status... just not quite!! They are effectively perpetual - with only improvements and structural changes needing approval. This stability is reflected in the prices attained for the sale of these very large properties (leases). I know you know all this stuff already JH - just for the benefit of others....

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203425 - 23/02/12 05:38 PM

Sorry I meant to add that it (leasehold) is stable - if the leasee follows the condition of the lease!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203428 - 23/02/12 05:49 PM

I believe the rationale behind having leases verses freehold, is the old one about not wanting to give such huge areas of land to individuals.

Freehold land in Australia is also not what people believe it to be. Look at a title, it might say "Tenants in Common" or "Joint Tenants". Why "tenants"? Because the Crown actually owns and controls the land. The reason the gov't can do virtually whatever it wants with your land, but with some compensation (due to the Commonwealth Constitution).

Had a very interesting half hour chat on the phone on all this once, even going back to the Magna Carta, with an "expert", a NT Cattle Station owner. I knew some of it already, but due to the "issues" these guys have with everyone wanting to control, own, share, give, loan, etc something (ie land) that is not theirs, this guy for one had become an expert.

Off topic. Sorry.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
#203429 - 23/02/12 05:51 PM

Off topic ?

I don't think anyone cares anymore, Tophet1's post summed up in B&W what I was hinting at.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203430 - 23/02/12 05:55 PM

A$7K deposit into a swiss bank account before details are released. Pleeeez. I sent out an email this morning and that is the feedback i got.

Edited by tophet1 (23/02/12 05:55 PM)

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203434 - 23/02/12 06:13 PM

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are you going hunting with them Mike?

Yes Sir! 3 of us from Alaska and 2 from Arizona will be ther the end of June.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203435 - 23/02/12 06:20 PM

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Off topic ?

I don't think anyone cares anymore, Tophet1's post summed up in B&W what I was hinting at.

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So why is it a "con"? Just because people won't release the info to 'tyre kickers'? (no offence meant by that term, but sellers use it a lot)

Nothing unusual about that.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: tophet1]
#203437 - 23/02/12 06:32 PM

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A$7K deposit into a swiss bank account before details are released. Pleeeez. I sent out an email this morning and that is the feedback i got.

I am VERY surprised that that is the reply you got!!!!!!!! Hmmmmm.....

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
#203438 - 23/02/12 06:33 PM

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I believe the rationale behind having leases verses freehold, is the old one about not wanting to give such huge areas of land to individuals.

Freehold land in Australia is also not what people believe it to be. Look at a title, it might say "Tenants in Common" or "Joint Tenants". Why "tenants"? Because the Crown actually owns and controls the land. The reason the gov't can do virtually whatever it wants with your land, but with some compensation (due to the Commonwealth Constitution).

Had a very interesting half hour chat on the phone on all this once, even going back to the Magna Carta, with an "expert", a NT Cattle Station owner. I knew some of it already, but due to the "issues" these guys have with everyone wanting to control, own, share, give, loan, etc something (ie land) that is not theirs, this guy for one had become an expert.

Off topic. Sorry.

hehehe - yes I know that owner I think!! That is his favourite topic of all!!! hahaha

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
#203439 - 23/02/12 06:35 PM

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are you going hunting with them Mike?

Yes Sir! 3 of us from Alaska and 2 from Arizona will be ther the end of June.

You will have a good time I am sure - George is a lot of fun.

I am curious though why you chose that hunt over an Arnhem L hunt - was it a cull?? Just wondering...

Or are you going with Scottys group? If so no explaination required!!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203441 - 23/02/12 06:58 PM

LMAO!!! You know of Scotty too?

Yep we're in that group.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: AkMike]
#203443 - 23/02/12 07:20 PM

I only know him from AR and met him at SCI a few times and knew he was going to George's. I just put 2 and 2 together!!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203445 - 23/02/12 07:43 PM

You'd make a great tracker!

Oh wait a minute...

You already are!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: tophet1]
#203448 - 23/02/12 08:02 PM

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It's a con.

Is it a con? Really? How do you know with such authority?
I dont know at all, however the home page as below seems to lend some credence to whats been previously posted.Plus they were at SCI,must have passed muster to get in there eh!

http://www.huntineurope.com/us/index.php

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: gryphon]
#203450 - 23/02/12 08:46 PM

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It's a con.

Is it a con? Really? How do you know with such authority?
I dont know at all, however the home page as below seems to lend some credence to whats been previously posted.Plus they were at SCI,must have passed muster to get in there eh!

http://www.huntineurope.com/us/index.php

See Us at SCI

January 26, 27, 28 and 29, 2011.

Booths 853 and 855

He was saying it is a con because they asked for a deposit straight up. That does sound a little weird. I certainly didnt get that impression at SCI - they were coming to me for help to fulfil some hunts.

I dont know anything about the company itself, my first meeting with them.

You mentioned passing muster to get into SCI?? Hmmmm that doesnt have to occur!! There are sellers of illegal product in those halls! I am not suggesting this is one though.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203451 - 23/02/12 08:47 PM

By the way those SCI dates were last years...

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203452 - 23/02/12 08:54 PM

The reply sounded like a flippant reply to me. Depends on the question and how it was asked.

I find agents are always reluctant to say who an outfitter actually is until they work out if the enquirer is serious.

Hey Matt, ie Australian Shikar, otherwise a lot of them try to book direct and cut out the middleman.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203453 - 23/02/12 09:23 PM

And you think i didn't notice that date,did it make it bad that the website wasn't updated...I must check that yours is up to date too Matty.

You seem to be miffed that this has been posted Matty in opposition to your mob..going by your posts you seem to want to denigrate this mob.

BTW didn't one of the big names get his invite rescinded to the SCI convention Mark Sullivan ????

He didn't pass muster is that right?

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
#203454 - 23/02/12 09:27 PM

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The reply sounded like a flippant reply to me. Depends on the question and how it was asked.

I find agents are always reluctant to say who an outfitter actually is until they work out if the enquirer is serious.

Hey Matt, ie Australian Shikar, otherwise a lot of them try to book direct and cut out the middleman.

I know a lot of agents who do tell - they dont advertise the fact of course but if a client asks they tell, that is being honest. Most of the better US agents do. from an agency pov it is very easy to cover yourself in that respect with your trusted outfitters - when you get a serious enquiry that you handle yourself you just shoot the outfitter a note to say 'hey I have been talking to this (named)guy' - if the client goes direct then he is an ass (he doesnt like the agent but still takes his advice??) or the outfitter is not trusted. I ask my agents the same thing when they enquire - I want to know if I am speaking to the same people and I want to be upfront. If the agent wont tell they wont be my agent for much longer!!

In this case the service provider is not really an outfitter as such anyway - really just a landowner with a helo and some accomm....

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: gryphon]
#203455 - 23/02/12 09:33 PM

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And you think i didn't notice that date,did it make it bad that the website wasn't updated...I must check that yours is up to date too Matty.

You seem to be miffed that this has been posted Matty in opposition to your mob..going by your posts you seem to want to denigrate this mob.

BTW didn't one of the big names get his invite rescinded to the SCI convention Mark Sullivan ????

He didn't pass muster is that right?

Oh do grow up John!! I was just commenting on the date...

I am not miffed about anything.... like I said I offered to help the guy out. I do think it a little weird though that the hunts are still being offered online, when they are all sold. Maybe it is for the future hunts after 2012??

Lot's of outfitters have been asked to leave the convention for different reasons. I believe Mark had several warnings before he was shafted. Do they check everyone? No how can they know all the dealings of 1200+ companies?

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203456 - 23/02/12 09:33 PM

they were coming to me for help to fulfil some hunts.

So you know the name of the principal then ?

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203457 - 23/02/12 09:37 PM

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3000 Buffalo eat one hell of a lot of feed AND destroy a hell of a lot of land etc.

Would be interesting where the place is.

Buffalo in numbers dont necessarily 'destroy' land...

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: tophet1]
#203466 - 23/02/12 11:10 PM

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they were coming to me for help to fulfil some hunts.

So you know the name of the principal then ?

The principal of the agency? yes I guess so... I met him at the show, only one and I have his business card in my hand now but it only gives a name, not a position.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203490 - 24/02/12 05:24 AM

I can only add that the pics of my contact and his son with trophies of Bezeite Ibex,Roebuck,Desert Ram (Sonoran) and Mouflon accompanying the emails have all been received warmly and testify that there is a real kosher factor to the hunt swaps we are arranging.

To the huntineurope buff stuff well I will have to leave that to you Matty,you da man it seems.

Now to your line of "Buffalo in numbers dont necessarily 'destroy' land... "

Every introduced cloven hoofed animal in Australia has a deleterious effect on our fragile landscape,including the Angus steers we run here.

Hence the concerted efforts to reduce huge numbers of AWB by the authorities in the top end when they were at their peak.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: gryphon]
#203501 - 24/02/12 06:08 AM

Gryph et al, I can only say (just INMHO) I wish we down in SW Spain had your "problems" with 1000´s of buff walking around, 1000´s of scrub bulls that all needed culling, tons of salt water crocs that need sorting, 10´s of 000 of roo and 1000´s of camels also need sorting and rivers full of barramundi that need catching

Were it up to me as Spain is still 67% national park I´d bring in 200k Cape Buff as bulls do well here) If I were you chaps I think I´d be living in heaven ! best, wistfully, Mike

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#203511 - 24/02/12 07:23 AM

Mike - you going hunting and fishing in Australia with me in a couple years?

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#203515 - 24/02/12 07:49 AM

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Gryph et al, I can only say (just INMHO) I wish we down in SW Spain had your "problems" with 1000´s of buff walking around, 1000´s of scrub bulls that all needed culling, tons of salt water crocs that need sorting, 10´s of 000 of roo and 1000´s of camels also need sorting and rivers full of barramundi that need catching Were it up to me as Spain is still 67% national park I´d bring in 200k Cape Buff as bulls do well here) If I were you chaps I think I´d be living in heaven ! best, wistfully, Mike

Yes, it can seem like we live in a land with plenty of destructive feral introduced species that need culling but we also face the tyranny of distance. For me to hunt free range camels I have to drive 1,700km ONE WAY. I could find them closer but I would have to share the location with others. The costs to do all this while relatively small compared to say a PG overseas hunts, are equal to trips to New Zealand for self guided hunts on Govt.land.

You make your choices and you pay your money. Mind you it is also hell of fun......

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: gryphon]
#203519 - 24/02/12 08:05 AM

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Now to your line of "Buffalo in numbers dont necessarily 'destroy' land... "

Every introduced cloven hoofed animal in Australia has a deleterious effect on our fragile landscape,including the Angus steers we run here.

Well my statement is true - like I said they dont necessarily 'destroy' the land. Of course they will have some effect - as any introduced animal will but properly managed, just like the angus steers, they will not actually destroy the environment.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#203522 - 24/02/12 08:10 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Now to your line of "Buffalo in numbers dont necessarily 'destroy' land... "

Every introduced cloven hoofed animal in Australia has a deleterious effect on our fragile landscape,including the Angus steers we run here.

Well my statement is true - like I said they dont necessarily 'destroy' the land. Of course they will have some effect - as any introduced animal will but properly managed, just like the angus steers, they will not actually destroy the environment.

So how come some Buffalo literally starved themselves to death because of over population pre BTEC and in the process destroyed the landscape / ecosystem (flood plains) by opening up channels that allowed sea water to enter, thereby changing the environment and in some cases destroying it.

Afraid I don't have photos to post.

The same effect that Buffalo had on the wetlands in the north of Australia will also occur with any rise in sea levels (due to ?global warming?). Fresh water becomes sea water, grasses die off, fish die off, Magpie geese will move on.

I will say that I believe they are less likely to destroy the land in the drier areas than in the flood plain areas.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203527 - 24/02/12 08:46 AM

Daryl S, I would love to, if you haven´t fished the NT you haven´t lived, off the planet as they say

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#203528 - 24/02/12 09:30 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Now to your line of "Buffalo in numbers dont necessarily 'destroy' land... "

Every introduced cloven hoofed animal in Australia has a deleterious effect on our fragile landscape,including the Angus steers we run here.

Well my statement is true - like I said they dont necessarily 'destroy' the land. Of course they will have some effect - as any introduced animal will but properly managed, just like the angus steers, they will not actually destroy the environment.

So how come some Buffalo literally starved themselves to death because of over population pre BTEC and in the process destroyed the landscape / ecosystem (flood plains) by opening up channels that allowed sea water to enter, thereby changing the environment and in some cases destroying it.

Afraid I don't have photos to post.

The same effect that Buffalo had on the wetlands in the north of Australia will also occur with any rise in sea levels (due to ?global warming?). Fresh water becomes sea water, grasses die off, fish die off, Magpie geese will move on.

I will say that I believe they are less likely to destroy the land in the drier areas than in the flood plain areas.

Well you answered this yourself Nigel - overpopulation!!!

Yes you are correct that the inland areas are more durable than the wetlands . Salt-water intrusion is the biggest issue, as you suggested. How big a problem I cannot say - the areas that become salty are old sea beds themselves anyhow... and it varies from area to area - not all floodplains are the same. It seems the Mary River and nearby and extended floodplains were hardest hit - perhaps not just because of the numbers of buffalo but the structure of the floodplain and tidal areas.

Interestingly - over on the country west of Darwin, buffalo are being re-introduced to combat the imbalance created on the floodplains there. The landscaped was changed by buffalo and domestic cattle and they need the buffalo back there to control the grass!!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#204081 - 29/02/12 02:30 PM

So if you reckon it is such a good deal then who wants to do the same hunt but with no helicopter involved?? Same hunt,as in numbers of animals... cull animals only though.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#204091 - 29/02/12 03:48 PM

Took you longer than i thought to come up with this Matty.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: gryphon]
#204109 - 01/03/12 12:21 AM

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Took you longer than i thought to come up with this Matty.

Didnt take you long though eh??

and why not, plenty said it was a great offer!!

you are a laugh a minute JH!!

Im happy to offer a hunt that doesnt rely on a helicopter (which wouldnt be a hunt at all the eh. I thought you would appreciate that actually!!

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#204111 - 01/03/12 12:51 AM

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you are a laugh a minute JH!!

Wrong John.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: NitroX]
#204127 - 01/03/12 04:30 AM

Matt, is this serious, I wouldn´t mind trying to line it up for 2013, my 50th birthday, you say only cull animals, might that include 1 or 2 big bulls ?. If this is all a joke sorry to have swallowed the bait, best, Mike

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#204139 - 01/03/12 07:04 AM

Odder by the minute ! I am flying to UK tommorow and phoned a friend who PHéd in OZ for 5 or 6 years as we are meeting in London tommorow (he is a case maker as well) I thought he might have an idea, he has been asked to "back up" on this 100 buff deal which has been sold to 4 Russians, a helicopter buff drive !! at least I know where it is now. best, Mike

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#204151 - 01/03/12 12:14 PM

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Odder by the minute ! I am flying to UK tommorow and phoned a friend who PHéd in OZ for 5 or 6 years as we are meeting in London tommorow (he is a case maker as well) I thought he might have an idea, he has been asked to "back up" on this 100 buff deal which has been sold to 4 Russians, a helicopter buff drive !! at least I know where it is now. best, Mike

Yeah Mike - that all sounds correct and I was asked not to 'back up' but to actually provide the hunts, as they were apparently sold to someone else by the property owner. I made them an offer 'to help' but they did not take it, as it (my offer) is for cull buffalo only - cows - and they only want to offer this helicopter-driven deal, which includes (unknown) bulls as well. Where all those buffalo come from, every year is a matter for speculation...

Yes, I am serious mate - we put these cow hunts together all the time. Management bulls are $1500 apiece and very good value at that - as most of them are nice trophies in their own right!

btw - I would have happily told you the property name (in private) I didnt think it correct to publish it here...

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#204153 - 01/03/12 12:20 PM

Matt

I reckon you might get a few Aussies taking up that offer.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: 500Nitro]
#204166 - 01/03/12 02:45 PM

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Matt

I reckon you might get a few Aussies taking up that offer.

for an actual group of 4 I would include one management bull per hunter as part of the deal.... at the price that was being quoted above.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: Matt_Graham]
#204924 - 11/03/12 02:35 PM

What happens with all the meat from the cull animals? There's only so much you could handle yourself. Do you have any other details Matt? Not that I'd be able to go, I'm just curious is all.

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Re: 100 buff`s 25 buff ea for 4 shooters [Re: gundog]
#204954 - 11/03/12 09:16 PM

Where we hunt mate (very remote) we have no possible way to deal with the meat at all - so it is left for the forest critters.

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