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grantc
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.416 ruger
#202946 - 19/02/12 04:51 PM

what are people's thought's on this caliber it's probably on here somewhere but i couldnt see it

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: grantc]
#202956 - 19/02/12 06:51 PM

Just had one built, but still waiting for it to get licensed! Fancied it mainly because it fitted a Win M70 CRF donor I could get hold of, and already have a 458WM!

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: JeffK]
#202959 - 19/02/12 07:06 PM

yeah it seem's to be a good thing havent had a chance to shoot one yet

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: grantc]
#202976 - 20/02/12 04:35 AM

Mine is a very nice rifle. That is, it's a very nice rifle after the gentlemen at Magnaport installed their muzzle brake. Recoil was a problem, not so much now. It still lets you know when it goes "Bang" though. Accurate way better than my eyes through the Leupold 1-4 on my Hawkeye. I've got it 1.5 inches high at 100 yards, and would use it out to 200 yards with little concern.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: poprivit]
#203023 - 20/02/12 06:12 PM

grantc There was a post last year comparing .416 Ruger with .416 Taylor, the author had both & Taylor was performing better....

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: poprivit]
#203034 - 20/02/12 08:08 PM

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Mine is a very nice rifle. That is, it's a very nice rifle after the gentlemen at Magnaport installed their muzzle brake. Recoil was a problem, not so much now. It still lets you know when it goes "Bang" though. Accurate way better than my eyes through the Leupold 1-4 on my Hawkeye. I've got it 1.5 inches high at 100 yards, and would use it out to 200 yards with little concern.

for you is the recoil a problem off the bench or is it the recoil is a problem period for you.i know im not a fan of shooting my 9.3*62 off the bench but love shooting it any other way

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: grantc]
#203072 - 21/02/12 05:36 AM

Shooting off sticks, on the bench, everywhere. Not that recoil in and of itself bothers me much. My last buffalo was taken with my Ruger M77 in .458 Lott. Very pleasant to shoot. The only real nasty I ever used was a Searcy underlever in .577 Nitro. I took an elephant with it in 1998, and I can still feel the recoil.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: poprivit]
#203249 - 22/02/12 02:41 PM

They are a great rifle and it is a fantastic cartridge. Too bad my feature to Rifle magazine got shelved.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: 458Win]
#205053 - 13/03/12 04:18 AM

That's a drag Phil. Do you think you'll be doing that article for anybody else at some point? I certainly look forward to reading it.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: Dave93]
#205056 - 13/03/12 04:59 AM

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That's a drag Phil. Do you think you'll be doing that article for anybody else at some point? I certainly look forward to reading it.

I would as well...personally I feel the .416 is a great caliber..whether that be Rigby, Remington or Ruger... but the little Ruger setup would be awesome in close quarters..

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: Ripp]
#205061 - 13/03/12 07:17 AM

I think that basic case is a wonderful addition to the ctg. lineup, in from 8mm and larger, right to .458.

Looking forward to that article, Phil.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: DarylS]
#211956 - 03/07/12 07:54 AM

I love my Alaskan model, handy, light, and shoots great. I use a 400 gr Hornady Round Nose over 72 grains of RL15 for 2150 fps/4100 ft/lb.
This should handle anything in Minnesota where I live

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: Dresden]
#215375 - 24/08/12 04:47 PM

I used a .375 Ruger in Kamchatka on a brown bear coming right at me at well under 20 paces. The short throw was a blessing. As Ripp said, the .416 Ruger should be a dandy in close quarters, and for smaller framed hunters. Not everyone can handle a magnum length action.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: albertan]
#215381 - 24/08/12 06:55 PM

There is a 416 Rigby on UG`s atm.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: gryphon]
#215382 - 24/08/12 07:49 PM

I know about the cartridge, but do not have a lot of knowledge on it. My big worry, and I do not have proof or answers yet, a lot of cartridges saw the light duplicating the 416 Rigby's performance. We all know of the pressure problems the 416Rem with factory loads in the Zim valley and in Moz. They down loaded the factory ammo in most casses to stop the pressure problems, therefore lower speeds and they do not duplicate the 416 Rigby anymore. The Taylor is 18% smaller than the Rem, Pressure?, must be higher than the Rem to duplicate the 416 Rigby.

What is the chances that you will pick up pressure problems in hotter parts of Africa? I am asking this out of a hunting perspective in Africa.

The problem I have with factory ammo is that manufacturers will in most cases use the fastest burning powder that will work for the specific cartridge, its a money thing, the lesser propelant they use the more money they make or they can offer their cartridghes at a lower price. But in warm climates, you can pick up pressure problems.

Maybe I am from the old school, I like the cartridges that proved themself in Africa, I know I will be safe with them.

When you are in a dangerous situation, I will not take a chance of having pressure problems. I do not have the full details of the Ruger's ballistics, for me the first check will be possible pressure problems.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: SAHUNT]
#215383 - 24/08/12 08:24 PM

I hear you SAHUNT, however many or all of the pressure spike problems have been solved with the use of the newer ADI powders like 2208 (I think that's Varget) and 2206H (H4895) Hodgdon Extreme powders.

I know that here, if I work up a load in the freezing temps of Winter, they are still useable in 110 degree temps shooting gophers in the Summer. or loads worked up in the heat, shoot identically in the cold of late fall and winter.

Ripp here used a .416 in Africa with facgory-type loads of 2,400fps with 400gr. bullets without trouble - as did John Whooters with a .416 Taylor on buffalo in Zim, I think, same ballistics. Neither of these two, that I know of, used the more modern powders that are available today, at least not J. Whooters.

It will be interesting to see what the fallout happens to be on these new rounds.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: DarylS]
#215400 - 24/08/12 10:43 PM

Thanks Daryl, You have very valid point about the propelants. Unfortuneately we have limmited supply of propellants in RSA. I personally haven't used factory ammo in the last 10 years +, I prefer reloading, then I know I have no problems.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: DarylS]
#215405 - 24/08/12 11:37 PM

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I hear you SAHUNT, however many or all of the pressure spike problems have been solved with the use of the newer ADI powders like 2208 (I think that's Varget) and 2206H (H4895) Hodgdon Extreme powders.
Ripp here used a .416 in Africa with facgory-type loads of 2,400fps with 400gr. bullets without trouble - as did John Whooters with a .416 Taylor on buffalo in Zim, I think, same ballistics. Neither of these two, that I know of, used the more modern powders that are available today, at least not J. Whooters.

It will be interesting to see what the fallout happens to be on these new rounds.

I did use my .416 Rem in a custom shop Remington 700 Rifle on 4 hunts in Africa..used both factory loads and handloads for solids..used RL 15---chron'd them at the 2400 fps range...have never had any problems of any kind, including excessive pressures from heat...and have hunted in some very high temps...excess of 100F....the factory loads where 400 gr A-Frames--the solids I reloaded were 400 GR Barnes Solids...another interesting part to all this is the softs and solids at 100yds were basically hitting the same point of impact..which doesnt happen all that often..

Perhaps a bit excessive but also have a toally custom built .416 as well with a Mauser action and have recently purchased a new Winchester model 70 in .416 Rem caliber..so yes, I do like the .416..

Have a great one..

Ripp

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: Ripp]
#215413 - 25/08/12 01:21 AM

I live in Las Vegas. Lately temps have been 105-110. I shoot in the AM when temps are only 100. I'm not using a strain gauge on my Ruger 416, but I have zero extraction problems, and no other obvious signs of overpressure. I had the rifle in Botswana and it went bang as advertised.

if I don't have heat-related problems in the gentle air of Las Vegas (like a convection oven), I don't expect any problems from my Hornady ammo anywhere else.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: 458Win]
#215415 - 25/08/12 01:44 AM

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Theyarea great rifleand it isa fantastic cartridge. Too bad my feature to Rifle magazine got shelved.

that is a great looking rig..I really do plan to get on in the Ruger cart. as well..think it would be great in Africa chasing buff or anything else over there...

Ripp

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: Ripp]
#215483 - 25/08/12 06:52 PM

I based my remarks on the 416 Remington on reports by Don Heath and on Pierre vd Walts book Big Bore Cartridge Load Data Collection. I think that modern heat insensitive propelants did sort out the problems.

One of the benefits of this forum is all the information that is available from the members. I keep on getting valuable info here.

Hopefully my 416 Rigby will be completed in the next few weeks.

Anybody have experience with a 416 Weatherby Magnum?

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: SAHUNT]
#215505 - 26/08/12 08:23 AM

What info on the 416 Weatherby are you looking for...have a good friend who is a weatherby dealer for the past 40 years..on my first trip to Zim he was along using a .460...impressive results on whatever he shot..have read conflicting reports however on using Weatherby's on DG...some feel they are too fast ..

anyway...let me know what you are looking for and I will check into it..

thx

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: Ripp]
#215533 - 26/08/12 05:58 PM

Ripp, I am only asking out of curiosity. I am not a big Weatherby fan after shooting a 378 weatherby magnum a couple of years ago. I was declared "Holy" thereafter as it kicked the living hell out of me. I am not recoil shy, I have shot a 450 NE no 2, a 458 lott and a 470, on all of them the perceived recoil was less than my 375 . My 375 is a Sako and as we know it is a very light rifle. But that Weatherby really had a go at me.

I do not know any people in RSA that own a Weatherby and mostly have to rely on books to get information. I have also learned over the years that authors etc have their own ideas, likes and dislikes.

As proved in this post hunters often have different experiences than what are written in books.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: SAHUNT]
#215542 - 26/08/12 08:05 PM

Grantc.

I have the Ruger Alaskan in 416 Ruger with about 150 rounds through it now. Love it. It is easier to use (BGRC Competition) and shoot, great to reload for and not savage on the shoulder like some other rifle I have used (458win Mag). I have carried it on a couple of Sambar hunts but no shots yet.

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Re: .416 ruger [Re: SAHUNT]
#215543 - 26/08/12 08:09 PM

I have a 416 Rigby and love it. I have fired the 416 Ruger in a Ruger. If i was to buy another 416 it would be the Ruger. It is lighter than my CZ550, shorter, quicker on target and felt recoil was less than with the CZ.

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