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GroovyMike
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Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale
#202503 - 14/02/12 11:58 PM

Thomas Bland Double Rifle used by Karamojo Bell 318 Westley Richards.

http://www.gunsamerica.com//969931280/Gu...ichard.htm?wl=1

Listing ID: 969931280

This is the famous double rifle used by W.D.M.Bell on his 1912 safari. It is written um in Wanderings of an Elepahnt hunter as his 318 Westley Richards. I have the factory letter giving all provinance, and Col Baker of Thomas Bland and Sons personally...
Seller: J C Gunsmiting [ PA ] Price: $55,000.00

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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: GroovyMike]
#202517 - 15/02/12 06:05 AM

I know bugger all on values but @ $55 bigs I would have thought that it would have brought far more due to the name associated with it. What a piece of history!

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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: gryphon]
#202519 - 15/02/12 06:33 AM

link doesn´t work for me

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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: gryphon]
#202520 - 15/02/12 06:51 AM

I think that is quite a mark up on that gun due solely to ownership. A lot of these older guns were owned by some very interesting individuals who accomplished some amazing feats but add no mark up to the firearm save an interesting side note.

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500Nitro
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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: gatsby]
#202521 - 15/02/12 07:00 AM

Link doesn't work for me and still doesn't.

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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: 500Nitro]
#202529 - 15/02/12 08:50 AM

I'd rather put the money into a bunch of trips to Africa and make my own history.

I liken the buying of such provenance to buying another man's trophy.

Buchseman

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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: GroovyMike]
#202538 - 15/02/12 02:46 PM

Can you refresh the link as it is still going to

Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage

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gatsby
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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: VonGruff]
#202541 - 15/02/12 03:20 PM

This is the famous double rifle used by W.D.M.Bell on his 1912 safari. It is written um in Wanderings of an Elepahnt hunter as his 318 Westley Richards. I have the factory letter giving all provinance, and Col Baker of Thomas Bland and Sons personally handled the gun and critiqued it. It has been valued at 100,000 dollars by him, if restored. It is in the condition I received it, that is worn as by being used extensivly on Safari. It is regulated for 250 grain bullets. It fires, and is in excellent condition, other than the ejectors were removed by someone in the past. Bell may have done it, as he was not a fan of ejectors, as they made noise. THis is a wonderful gun, untouched other than the ejectors, since it was made in August 1911.

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500Nitro
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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: gatsby]
#202543 - 15/02/12 03:51 PM

$10,000 for the gun and $45,000 for the provenance !!!

Since I cant see the description, I don't know condition / ejector / extractor but I can't see that gun being worth any more than a MAXIMUM $18,000 if it didn't have the link with Bell.

What are other people's thoughts ?

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gatsby
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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: 500Nitro]
#202544 - 15/02/12 04:05 PM

I think it is a lot for the provenance. If the seller thinks there is a big following of Bell collectors, he should go to auction. As to restoring the gun doubling the value well....

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500Nitro
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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: gatsby]
#202545 - 15/02/12 04:09 PM

Well, to be honest, I wouldn't want it restored, I'd want it exactly as it is, nicks, dents, scratches and all.

100,000 ? I find that hard to believe.

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gatsby
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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: 500Nitro]
#202546 - 15/02/12 04:16 PM

12 or 13k without the link to Bell.

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500Nitro
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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: gatsby]
#202547 - 15/02/12 04:19 PM

Yep, about that. I'd go maybe 15k depending on the bores.

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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: 500Nitro]
#202549 - 15/02/12 04:40 PM

Link works for me.

http://www.gunsamerica.com//969931280/Gu...ichard.htm?wl=1

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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: tophet1]
#202550 - 15/02/12 05:08 PM

I can't connect either, I get an error:

"Gateway Timeout
Server error - server 66.115.56.251 is unreachable at this moment.

Please retry the request or contact your adminstrator."

but I guess all has now been posted in this thread?

Edited by mauserand9mm (15/02/12 05:10 PM)

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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: mauserand9mm]
#202551 - 15/02/12 05:30 PM

There is the serial#

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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: gatsby]
#202561 - 15/02/12 06:48 PM

35K Pounds at best unless a fool bids it OTT.

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Mike_Bailey
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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: kamilaroi]
#202566 - 15/02/12 07:15 PM

kamilaroi, I think you are maybe a bit high. $35k maybe. Finch Hattons double was up for sale at Holts a while back, didn´t make the reserve but that was because the chap who put it up for sale had paid far too high a price for it in the first place and was trying to get his money back, he failed and a deal was done after I believe at a considerably lower price. "valued at 100k $" Ask him for his bid

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500Nitro
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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#202567 - 15/02/12 07:47 PM

Kam

35K Pounds is US$55,000 !!!!

Are you being serious ?

Mike
The auction of Finch Hatton's double was a joke that first time around - I was on the other end of the phone bidding - up to a point, it was crazy how it took off between the two bidders.

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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#202569 - 15/02/12 07:52 PM

Mike,

I put it "at best" as it's perhaps a basic toughened A&D for "high pressure" as the WR catalogues and others of the time noted. As many know provenance is for the "cunning sewer" hoping to boost their margin.

FWIW I never have a dog in the fight.

regards

K.

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500Nitro
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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: kamilaroi]
#202572 - 15/02/12 08:08 PM

Jesus Kam, you like embellishing it up.

I call it a Plain Jane Boxlock ejector with probably a hidden third bite if it doesn't have a Greener cross bolt.

Plain wood, little engraving - just a good, solid working gun of the period.

You say toughened, metal might be but it has no bolsters.

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Re: Karamojo Bell's 318 Westley Richards double is for sale [Re: Buchsemann]
#202581 - 15/02/12 11:54 PM

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I'd rather put the money into a bunch of trips to Africa and make my own history.

I liken the buying of such provenance to buying another man's trophy.

Buchseman

Well said!

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