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ruffcountry
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Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First
#202209 - 11/02/12 05:12 PM

Do you fire right barrel or left barrel first ? Why ? Does it affect regulation ?

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: ruffcountry]
#202210 - 11/02/12 05:33 PM

If you're left handed a left handed DR shoots the LH tube with the front trigger.
RH shooter have the front trigger shooting the RH tube.

I shoot with the front trigger first.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: AkMike]
#202223 - 11/02/12 11:16 PM

If you're shooting an O/U, the front trigger fires the bottom barrel. I shoot the front trigger first.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: xausa]
#202244 - 12/02/12 03:29 AM

Which?: Front first for small to medium bores and rear first for the big guys to reduce the odds of doubling.

Why?: For me pulling the front first is a carry over from shooting shotguns (primarily SXSs) with the more open chokes on the right or bottom on O/Us. Of course all this has been thrown out the window with the introduction of choke tubes. Big bores noted above.

Affect Regulation?: Haven't found it to matter; can't see how it would.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: Buchsemann]
#202253 - 12/02/12 04:46 AM

An old argument but one I have strong feelings on.

Front first, always. If you have trouble with your finger slipping than you are not using the proper technique.

The rifle is designed to shoot front first. The rear trigger is offset to the center to allow for this. The trigger guard is designed to put your finger in the front first by having more space to put your finger in a hurry.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: mickey]
#202254 - 12/02/12 04:58 AM

Right first, front trigger...

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: tinker]
#202258 - 12/02/12 05:28 AM

My rifle shoots right barrel high if I shoot it first. If I shoot left barrel first it will reduce that right barrel high by about 50%, I'm left handed, at least that's what I've found.
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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: tinker]
#202259 - 12/02/12 05:38 AM

I will add that my rear trigger first on big bore guns comment is not from me personally having problems. It has been a suggestion from others that I know that regularly shoot big bore guns, I do not. I have seen others go back and forth on this subject. As shooting the right first or the left first doesn't change anything for all other purposes it shouldn't matter. I would think a SXS shotgun person would instinctively pull the front trigger first. With that I suspect under a pressure situation that would be the route I would go, naturally.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: Buchsemann]
#202263 - 12/02/12 06:14 AM

Front trigger first. Bore size has nothing to do with it. If your rifle doubles when you fire the front first, you have a problem with your rifle.

If you'll notice, your front trigger has a slightly lower trigger pull than the rear. This is so that you can more accurately place the first shot, with the rear trigger intended as a back up under duress. Also note, that on all double rifles that have a set trigger, it is always the front trigger that has the set feature.

Read the old African Ivory Hunters writings. They always talk about wearing out the right barrel. When purchasing a used double rifle, are you not instructed to pay particular attention to the wear of the right barrel?

Shoot it anyway you want but there is a proper way or at least an intended way. And that is front trigger first.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: HogPilot]
#202266 - 12/02/12 06:51 AM

Always? Hmmmm?

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: Buchsemann]
#202267 - 12/02/12 07:05 AM

My Purdey has set triggers front and rear too.

It's the only one I've ever seen so equipped, and I only know of one documented one besides mine.

They are rare.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: tinker]
#202269 - 12/02/12 08:00 AM

My mother and father blessed me with small hands for my six foot three, three hundred pound chassis. My shoulder can take all the recoil you can give it but I dread shooting the right barrel. On range days I have to wrap my second finger and it still has a calcium buildup. If you have small hands, a big recoil and shoot alot you'll switch to left barrel first.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: Smoke73]
#202270 - 12/02/12 08:05 AM

A good gunsmith guided me through a trigger job and with proper instruction it is not that difficult. My left barrel breaks at 4.5# while my right is 5.5#. Would like lighter like my bolt rifles but was told any lighter and doubling becomes a problem.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: tinker]
#202273 - 12/02/12 08:49 AM

I shoot front first. When it comes to double guns got to be careful when using "always and "never".
I have a paradox where the left barrel has more use than the right. In researching the gun it was originally owned by a fairly famous woman huntress. Evidently she went from left to right.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: mickey]
#202299 - 12/02/12 04:35 PM

Quote:

An old argument but one I have strong feelings on.

Front first, always. If you have trouble with your finger slipping than you are not using the proper technique.

The rifle is designed to shoot front first. The rear trigger is offset to the center to allow for this. The trigger guard is designed to put your finger in the front first by having more space to put your finger in a hurry.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: Smoke73]
#202310 - 12/02/12 08:43 PM

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My mother and father blessed me with small hands for my six foot three, three hundred pound chassis. My shoulder can take all the recoil you can give it but I dread shooting the right barrel. On range days I have to wrap my second finger and it still has a calcium buildup. If you have small hands, a big recoil and shoot alot you'll switch to left barrel first.

I too have small hands and my middle finger often gets hit by the trigger guard when I fire the RH barrel. I was down the range today with my double and tried a glove with the trigger finger part cut off. I though the glove would protect my middle finger (and the glove looks better than what a a bandaid would). I use a glove on the left hand anyway to protect against the hot barrel, so I may as well wear the 2nd half of the pair I bought. I thought is was working since I felt no pain, but after 5 shots per barrel, I took the glove off and my middle finger was swollen! It looked like a bee sting without the redness but it didn't hurt at all (I also checked to make sure it wasn't broken - I broke a little toe once and there was no pain then either, anyway that's another story).

It's gone down now and is a little tender with a small hard lump on the bone - is this the "calcium" you talk about?

I'll still continue to shoot RH barrel first. I thought the logic was that it is quicker to move to the rear trigger after the first shot, but can't see why really.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: mauserand9mm]
#202324 - 12/02/12 11:22 PM

On any rifle it should be front trigger first, without regard to bore size. The hand movements become so automatic it would be disasterous to use one method with large bores and another method with small bores.

In an analogous situation, this is the reason I cannot own a rifle or shotgun with a single trigger. Every time I try to shoot a single trigger gun, on a follow-up shot I find myself pulling the rear of the trigger guard and wondering why the gun won't go off.

If the shooter is doubling a large rifle because his finger is slipping off the front trigger he needs to improve his technique. That shooter certainly isn't up to the task of hunting dangerous game, and switching to rear trigger first is not an improvement of his shooting ability.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: CptCurl]
#202327 - 13/02/12 12:29 AM

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If the shooter is doubling a large rifle because his finger is slipping off the front trigger he needs to improve his technique. That shooter certainly isn't up to the task of hunting dangerous game, and switching to rear trigger first is not an improvement of his shooting ability.

Curl

I can shoot single trigger DRs fine, double trigger shotguns, double trigger double rifles, and even managed to shoot elephant and buffalo using the rear trigger first on occasion.

To me, placing the first proper bullet in the right place, is the highest priority.

Think through that statement. It would also imply no one should use a single shot either for dangerous game. Reading Selous at the moment, don't know how these game old timers survived more than a day, let alone for decades shooting hundreds of elephant, rhino, buffalo, lion etc so handicapped ...

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: NitroX]
#202346 - 13/02/12 05:00 AM

ruffcountry,

Glad you asked?

The subject pops up every once in a while and is always rather ... colorful

It's like anything else when there is a choice of more than one way to do things; varying opinions are sure to follow. One thing for sure is NE has an experienced bunch of members to offer you food for thought.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: Buchsemann]
#202353 - 13/02/12 06:12 AM

On an open-sighted medium to large bore double rifle regulation may be not influenced by r-l(u-o) or l-r (o-u) firing sequence, but on a dr regulated for scope use it certainly is. Reason: When the first shot is fired, the barrel heats up and expands slightly. This will bend the barrels in the direction of the still cold second barrel.On an open-sighted dr this movement is compensated for by the front sight moving in the same direction. A scope will not move with the muzzles. It is a well-known fact in Germany that a scoped double rifle must be regulated by firing the barrels not only in the same sequence every time, but for best grouping they must be shot within the same timing the regulator used. And, between "l-r pairs" you must allow for a complete cooling down of a dr.
Set triggers to both barrels were quite common on German-Austrian dr's pre-WW1. But be warned: never,never set both triggers! Doing so will make the rifle double all the time.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: kuduae]
#202377 - 13/02/12 12:55 PM

Well, I guess what I meant to say was on DR's with only one set trigger it is always on the front. I'm sure there are some exceptions to this as well, so maybe the word "always" is not proper. But I would be comfortable saying that the vast majority of doubles with only one set trigger have it on the front trigger to the point that anything else would be a very rare bird indeed.

I still stand by my comment that if you are doubling your rifle by firing the front trigger first, there is a problem with your rifle. There is also the possibility that your technique is improper, causing the finger to slip off the front and strum the rear. I also stand by the comment that when contemplating the purchase of a double rifle, one should pay particular attention to the right barrel condition as most shoot the front trigger first.

I suppose there are left handed gun exceptions to this.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: Buchsemann]
#202399 - 13/02/12 05:58 PM

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ruffcountry,

Glad you asked?

The subject pops up every once in a while and is always rather ... colorful

It's like anything else when there is a choice of more than one way to do things; varying opinions are sure to follow. One thing for sure is NE has an experienced bunch of members to offer you food for thought.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: ruffcountry]
#202412 - 13/02/12 08:29 PM

With my .450 Jeffery, shooting either barrel first works the same for regulation and groups.

There was a problem with the triggers when a reputable gunsmith looked at them. They were set extremely heavy and whatever else he felt needed changing to adjust them for better use.

I try to use the left barrel, rear trigger first. Even if that is not ideal. Yep the front trigger, right barrel should be first but ...

I noticed a video not long ago where the shooter was shooting the rear trigger first.

The thing is, if the rifle regulates OK with either barrel, only test shooting it will provide this information, if shooting say an elephant, and using the front trigger and you double, your rifle is empty and it is more dangerous than shooting the rear trigger, and having a back up round.

YES I know, it is supposed to be front trigger/right barrel first, but ..... I also know that a LOT of clients DOUBLE their rifles, but FEW admit it.

Also there are examples of some double rifles where the left barrel was designed to be shot with precision at longer ranges. Correct or crap? Don't know, just armchair reading from the net. Maybe someone can say Yay or Nay?

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: NitroX]
#202421 - 13/02/12 10:32 PM

I think the important thing is to operate your DR consistently each time.

If a shooter does best by firing the rear trigger first each time, that's ok because he knows the second shot is forward and not behind the trigger he just fired, and he will instinctively reach forward.

My point above was that my poor brain is hard-wired to reach to the rear immediately upon firing the front trigger, so it would be trouble for me to fire the rear first. Likewise, my poor brain can't handle a single trigger, so I avoid them altogether. I have heard some shotgunners say they can switch back and forth between double trigger and single trigger guns. Still, something has to register in their minds on each occasion. For me, I don't have to think. The finger just moves.

So I'm not meaning to be dogmatic. My point is to do it the same way each time; whichever works best.

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Re: Poll : Right Barrel or Left Barrel First [Re: CptCurl]
#202476 - 14/02/12 02:57 PM

Thanks all for commenting .
I agree that consistency is important , it develops muscle memory . Thats why CptCurl is "hard wired " to shoot the way he does . I dont think I am "hard-wired" yet , although in my limited hunting situations I have seemed to find the front trigger first . One of the reasons I asked this question is because I dont feel my follow up shot is as fast as it could be , after I fire the first shot I have to think to move my finger for second shot . I think I could learn to shoot rear first "if" it offered any advantage for quicker second shot. So far I read nothing to convince me to try and change what I've been doing , probaly just need more practice to develop that " hard-wired" muscle memory . Maybe a trip to West Texas to hunt Jackalope would help the matter .

As for the talk of the rifles doubling , are you talking about the shooters finger slipping off the front trigger and catching the rear trigger during recoil ? I dont think the recoil from my 9.3 is enough to cause that to happen . But if it is a common problem with heavier doubles , then I suppose that could be a reason to try and learn a different way .

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