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casper50
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Nice WR falling block for sale
#201766 - 06/02/12 01:04 AM

I wish I had the extra money. Seems real nice. Don't know anything about the caliber though. 5th one down. I guess it's a rook rifle. Shame, it'd be so much more in a larger caliber. A very expensive rook rifle.

http://www.oldguns.co.uk/list.html

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A .255 Jefferies obsolete calibre Westley Richards falling block rook rifle. This gun appears un-fired and retains all its original finish and has ebony drop points to the stock with fully engraved and case hardened action. It has a mint, un-fired bore and the woodwork is as new.
£5,800
Stock No. 4342

Edited by CptCurl (06/03/12 11:20 PM)

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Huvius
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: casper50]
#201770 - 06/02/12 02:02 AM

Does look to be a nice rifle but surely would be over $10K US all in. But, if the condition report is accurrate and it is really that good, maybe it is not too far out of line.
I have my eye on the Westley '97 in the upcoming Julias auction. What a beauty that is...

http://jamesdjulia.com/auctions/catalog_detail_shots.asp?Details=45061x100&sale=320

Edited by CptCurl (06/03/12 11:29 PM)

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casper50
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: Huvius]
#201773 - 06/02/12 02:25 AM

That one looks even nicer. But I'd excect it to go for high dollar also.

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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: casper50]
#201774 - 06/02/12 02:39 AM

here is an alex.henry falling block in 577(snider?)

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3694704

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tinker
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: casper50]
#201775 - 06/02/12 02:48 AM

Expensive rook rifle for sure, but if actually is in the stated *unfired original* condition I can understand the price.
I have yet to find such a thing though.
Exactly how does someone "un-fire" a rifle anyway..?

The 16bore carbine at the bottom of the first linked page is awfully cool.

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TH44
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: tinker]
#201795 - 06/02/12 09:36 AM

I have been admiring it for some time but a touch too much - if it was larger calibre or a George Gibbs in .461....................

If he has it at the upcoming Arms Fair I will see if I can take some pics

TH44

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TH44
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: TH44]
#203226 - 22/02/12 10:00 AM

As promised, sorry for the poor pics, there were lots of people about & I rushed a bit!

The dealer said he thought there had never been the other leaves

It is as good as it looks, appearing (to me)as original and untouched, if it had been completely refurbished I could not tell
The bore looked very good but I only had a quick look

TH44

Edited by CptCurl (06/03/12 11:30 PM)

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500Nitro
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: TH44]
#203228 - 22/02/12 10:35 AM

"The dealer said he thought there had never been the other leaves"

So what he is saying is he thinks they were never installed and it left the factory like that.

I hate to say it but I find that hard to believe.

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gatsby
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: 500Nitro]
#203235 - 22/02/12 12:08 PM

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"The dealer said he thought there had never been the other leaves"

So what he is saying is he thinks they were never installed and it left the factory like that.

I hate to say it but I find that hard to believe.

Doesn't seem plausible at all.

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500Nitro
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: gatsby]
#203236 - 22/02/12 12:11 PM

Well, we all know that in the English gun trade their are exceptions to the general rules, but considering that Single leaf sights were available ....... you know what I mean.

.461 isn't exactly a short range calibre !!!

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TH44
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: 500Nitro]
#203387 - 23/02/12 11:15 AM

I also wondered when he made the comment, he tends to sell military and muzzle loaders, I believe he was trying to work out why the leaf was missing.

I would imagine he bought it in as it is, thought it was always like that and did not know for sure. It is an anomaly but there was nothing else that concerned me at all although I do not know of any provenance

The calibre is .255 Jeffery which may be relevant - I made the comment about a Gibbs .461 as the ideal rifle I would pay that sort of money for!

TH44

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500Nitro
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: TH44]
#203390 - 23/02/12 11:17 AM

OK

Thanks for the clarification re calibre.

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CptCurl
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: casper50]
#204621 - 06/03/12 11:56 PM

Quote:

I wish I had the extra money. Seems real nice. Don't know anything about the caliber though. 5th one down. I guess it's a rook rifle. Shame, it'd be so much more in a larger caliber. A very expensive rook rifle.

http://www.oldguns.co.uk/list.html

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A .255 Jefferies obsolete calibre Westley Richards falling block rook rifle. This gun appears un-fired and retains all its original finish and has ebony drop points to the stock with fully engraved and case hardened action. It has a mint, un-fired bore and the woodwork is as new.
£5,800
Stock No. 4342

I just went to the books out of curiosity as I never had heard of the round either. Here's what I found:

This scan is from the ever most helpful reference, George A. Hoyem, The History and Development of Small Arms Ammunition, Vol. 3, Armory Publications, 2005, page 157.

Anyone who does not have Mr. Hoyem's work should get it.

This should be a superlative round for shooting rats, if you can find brass for it!

Curl

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casper50
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: CptCurl]
#204633 - 07/03/12 01:40 AM

Pretty expensive rat rifle. But classy.

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Huvius
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: casper50]
#204677 - 07/03/12 12:49 PM

Colin Greenwood says the brass can be made from 32/20 and 25cal pistol bullets can be used.
Pretty little cartridge.

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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: Huvius]
#204678 - 07/03/12 12:52 PM

Do you think it is .25 caliber or 6.5mm? Under the Brit. system I would think a .255 designation would be the bore. Their normal designation for 6.5mm is .256".

Curl

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Huvius
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: CptCurl]
#204687 - 07/03/12 03:22 PM

He notes that the bullet is .255".
The .25ACP bullets are normally .251" but I dont know what a cast 25cal bullet would measure up as.

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georgegibbs505
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: Huvius]
#204749 - 08/03/12 10:00 PM

Looks like to me that theres a pretty good gap between the action and top of the stock and also the lever has a big gap where it locks up and the release is.

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500Boswell
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: georgegibbs505]
#204810 - 09/03/12 05:08 PM

Wal Winfer still had two WR [repro] 600 NE barreled actions for sale [if he still has them ]and extra barrels for them .

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kamilaroi
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: 500Boswell]
#204817 - 09/03/12 07:21 PM

FWIW some of the repro actions vary significantly in dims. Underlever and Rockdoc might care to comment.

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tinker
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: kamilaroi]
#204829 - 10/03/12 02:40 AM

So it's a 25-20 at half throttle.
A parlor rifle.

I saw the gaps too, wonder about the condition report.

Neat anyway.

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pacecars
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: tinker]
#204844 - 10/03/12 05:30 AM

I know it would be sacrilage but if it was not in "unfired" condition would it be capable of handling a more potent round? If it is .25 cal could it safely be rechambered to .25-35?

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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: pacecars]
#204978 - 12/03/12 03:19 AM

unfired....HA.....not likely with the issues noted. It could be re-barreled to many other cartridges.

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Huvius
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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: bouldersmith]
#205070 - 13/03/12 10:23 AM

Funny I didn't notice...
This gun is pictured on p.221 in Winfer's Westley Richards book and noted as coming from the Winfer collection!
I need to figure out how to "unfire" my own guns!
Maybe start with some Scotts "Rifle-Grow" for the bores! Or is that "Barrel Booster"?

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Re: Nice WR falling block for sale [Re: Huvius]
#205072 - 13/03/12 11:45 AM

Trust me, Wal used every one had had in the collection.

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