Fontainebleu
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Looking at the catalogue, seems like the Azur XA 9,3x74R kicks off from 5800 Euros, which is around 7500 Dollar. How does these guns compare to say, merkel 141s and chapuis ugex`es? Throw in the Heym 88B`s for good measure, even though its a bit out of my price range!
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Matt_Graham
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That price is for the U/O rifle I believe. The SxS rifles start around US$12,500 and they in my opinion are easily the match for Merkel, Chapuis and even Heym. They certainly look and handle better than the heym.... a more expensive gun. At that price the VC also comes with stock custom-fitted to the user.
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Kebco
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The AZUR XA is the SXS small frame, made in smaller calibers. The V-C guns are made to order, you choose the barrel length, stock dimensions, sights, engraving, weight, action finish, splinter forearm vs semi-beavertail, etc., it is a gun made the way you want it, not the way the factory wants to make it. The Chapuis and Merkel are production guns, they make a lot of them and with only a few options and they all look alike. The V-C is hand checkered, hand engraved, the UGEX and 141 are both laser checkered and engraved. You need to look at them side by side (and be sure to look and compare the lock up). Not sure who the dealers/distributor in Norway is but you should try and see a example V-C gun in person.
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DUGABOY1
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The AZUR XA is the SXS small frame, made in smaller calibers. The V-C guns are made to order, you choose the barrel length, stock dimensions, sights, engraving, weight, action finish, splinter forearm vs semi-beavertail, etc., it is a gun made the way you want it, not the way the factory wants to make it. The Chapuis and Merkel are production guns, they make a lot of them and with only a few options and they all look alike. The V-C is hand checkered, hand engraved, the UGEX and 141 are both laser checkered and engraved. You need to look at them side by side (and be sure to look and compare the lock up). Not sure who the dealers/distributor in Norway is but you should try and see a example V-C gun in person.
Kebco is correct on the options available on the VC rifles,however there are no flys on the other two, and there more than just a few perks to be had on Merkels as well, if you want to wait for them to be buiit.
The one thing is the Merkel and Chapuis are very servicable in the off-the-shelf rifles as well.and if reliability is a concern,all are good. All shoot very well.
All the rifles you list are good rifles,and you won't make a mistake no matter which you shoose! I think Kebco can get any of them for you!
What ever your choice they are all DOUBLE RIFLES,that shoot where they are aimed and are reliable, that is what counts more than anything else.
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Matt_Graham
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Personally I think the VC is in a whole other class, compared to Merkel & Chapuis....
Whats not to like about a bespoke gun for a very reasonable price??
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tinker
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There is such a wide selection of styles and options available with the VC line of rifles.
I had the pleasure of helping set up the VC table last year in Reno and got to uncrate, assemble, and handle about twenty distinctly different and unique guns and rifles from the VC shop.
Lots of gun for the money, and the fit/finish was consistently above what you typically see at the price range.
When it comes time to have a sweet little smallbore stalking rifle built, I'll be inviting Ken to the bid process!
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500Nitro
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Personally I think the VC is in a whole other class, compared to Merkel & Chapuis....
Whats not to like about a bespoke gun for a very reasonable price??
Agree, from what I have seen of VC''s and what they offer,
I think they are a cut above the other 3 (talking boxlock's here, not sidelocks).
I own 2 x Merkel's and have shot a couple of Chapuis's and a Heym.
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ccmdoc
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I have or have had all three in quite a variety of calibers. All are good but as others have said the Verney-Carron is at least a cut above if not a few cuts above either the Merkel or the Chapuis.
As mentioned by others, if at all possible try to see and handle all three side by side. The first thing you will notice is the V-C looks like the hand-built double it is, the other two look more like assembly-line productions.
All three are safe, well-built, accurate and functional double rifles. Verney-Carron doubles are all that and more.
Good luck and stay well
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Matt_Graham
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When it comes time to have a sweet little smallbore stalking rifle built, I'll be inviting Ken to the bid process!
Cheers
Tinker
You should see the new 303 he had built... ohhhh my Lordy! What a princess!! I dreamt about her the other night.... Sorry Ken 
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Fontainebleu
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I cannot speak for the US, but I was peeking at the V-C PDF Catalogue, and indeed the V-C azur demas XA is kicking off from 5800 euros in small calibers ( up to and including 9,3). The african which is the big bore S/S starts from 8100 euros, which should be around the 11.000 dollar mark you describe.
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VerneyCarron
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Hello to all,
First, I would like to confirm that all guns from L'Atelier Verney-Carron are BESPOKE !!!
There are no defined ranges and no two guns are the same (unless it is a pair ).
Our artisan gunsmiths make your rifle or shotgun according to your wishes and your morphology (BTW, I remind you that if you want to be gun fitted, see info below)... so that your gun is unique !!!
Of course, we need guns to show at exhibitions or to visiting customers, so some guns are made without instructions or measurements from customers.
BUT since they are made to show/present what we can do, every one of those guns is unique and features different aspects of our capabilities !!!
This leads me to the prices Fontainebleu is writing about.
They are in our French catalog where the guns are organized according to those artificial (because no 2 guns are identical) ranges in order to help potential French customers have a general idea of the MINIMUM amount they would need to buy one of these guns.
They are starting prices (à partir de) and calculated for France and therefore do not take into account any of the costs associated with the export of those guns (whether to Norway or the US).
They are needed because in France, Verney-Carron is much more known for its production range => the guns NOT MADE by L'Atelier Verney-Carron and that can be found there
I hope that things are clearer now, and I invite those that can to get to the SCI in Las Vegas to be gun fitted... and to become fan of the Facebook page to stay informed about Verney-Carron (posts are in French or in English depending on the subjects...)
=> GUN FITTING <=
As it was done at the Dallas Safari Club Convention and Expo 2012, you also can be "gun fitted" by Jérôme Lanoue, the Master Gunsmith of L'Atelier Verney-Carron (our Bespoke workshop), and get your "Gun fit measurements" card which will then be useful should you decide to order a Bespoke shotgun or rifle from us !!!
=> NEXT CHANCE TO BE "GUN FITTED"
SCI | LAS VEGAS, NV | February 1-4, 2012
Booth #3447- Mandalay Bay Convention Center
More Info : CLICK HERE
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Fontainebleu
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Great reply and thanks for the insight! I did write " kick off from" so I believe I am home safe!
Since I have you here, what kind of spesification would you recommend for driven hunts on deer and elk? I am thinking ejectors obviously, are there different sight options if you dont want a scope?
I would like to try out the express sights classic style 
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VerneyCarron
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Fontainebleu,
I strongly recommend that you address your request for recommendations directly to Jérôme Lanoue (l.atelier@verney-carron.fr) who is the best person for good advice in relation with our bespoke guns.
And FYI, our Importer for Denmark, Sweden and Norway is SCAN-HORSE A/S | Langebjerg 29 - Box 312 | 4000 ROSKILDE | Phone +45 46 74 04 00 | Fax +45 46 74 04 01 | s-h@scan-horse.com
Best regards,
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Fontainebleu
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Great, thank you! I wouldnt mind paying an extra thousand dollars or two if in return we swapped the prices for new cars! A base-spec Chevrolet Corvette is 250.000 dollars here in Norway!
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500Nitro
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Great, thank you! I wouldnt mind paying an extra thousand dollars or two if in return we swapped the prices for new cars! A base-spec Chevrolet Corvette is 250.000 dollars here in Norway!
Apologise for the thread drift.
Is that 250 thousand dollars, as in $250,000 ?
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Fontainebleu
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Yes. Ridicilous isnt it. Everything with more than 100 horsepowers gets taxed to hell and back upon importing them here in Norway.
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Fontainebleu
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New Chevy Tahoe 7-seater with the 5.7 L petrol engine. That`ll be 200.000 US dollars, cash or card sir?
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500Nitro
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Yes. Ridicilous isnt it. Everything with more than 100 horsepowers gets taxed to hell and back upon importing them here in Norway.
As I am finding out exporting things there, the taxes on import to the EU are, let me say, ridiculous.
A guy emailed me the other day listing the taxes he had to pay on import, it certainly added up.
No wonder things are so expensive.
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500grains
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Those import duties are one of the many side effects of a bloated social welfare state.
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AkMike
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We're headed rapidly towards that same thing!
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I cannot speak for the US, but I was peeking at the V-C PDF Catalogue, and indeed the V-C azur demas XA is kicking off from 5800 euros in small calibers ( up to and including 9,3). The african which is the big bore S/S starts from 8100 euros, which should be around the 11.000 dollar mark you describe.
These prices in France are so very reasonable.
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Fontainebleu
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Serves you right for getting brand new corvettes for what we have to pay for a bloody chevy matiz here in norway.. 
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Mike_Bailey
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If you think that´s bad check out Singapore !! I think just a tax disc is about GBP40k then you have to buy the car ! best, Mike
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Fontainebleu
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jesus! haha.
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NitroX
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Ha ha all this talk about ridiculously expensive cars reminds me of a thread in 2004 where we were joking about matching number plates to calibres eg I said I would need to get a Ferrari to put the number plate "6.5x68" on ...
... and one slow member had a hissy fit about guys "spending thousands of dollars on a single gun" then "buying a Ferrari to put a gun number on ...."
Guess he didn't understand humour, irony, sarcasm, or other means of laughing at ourselves in his little envy hissy fit.
But 6.5x68 just wouldn't do on a 20 year old diesel slow clunker Landcruiser!
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=21783&an=&page=0&vc=1
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