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shamus
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Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle
#192463 - 25/10/11 10:51 AM

Hi there,

Can anyone shed some light on a rifle that I’ve just purchased, Halger 7mm Magnum?
I can't seem to find too much info about it except some ballistics, seems to be very rare.
Any info would be much appreciated

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192474 - 25/10/11 02:40 PM

There's a bit of info on the web about the 280 Halger (HV) Magnum round - not sure if this is one and the same as what you have.

What brand rifle is it?

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192475 - 25/10/11 02:43 PM

Shamus, welcome to NitroExpress.
The 280 Halger rifles were built up by Halbe and Gerlich (Hal-Ger) between the wars.
I think there were fewer than 200 built up. I owned #120 for a while and my brother had #105 as well. The numbers on ours were engraved on the top of the action wall.
They used magnum length Mauser actions.
Word has it that the 280 Halger case is derived from the 280 Ross but I would have to measure both of them up to see for sure.
Please post some pictures if you can.

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Edited by Huvius (25/10/11 02:46 PM)

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shamus
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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: mauserand9mm]
#192476 - 25/10/11 03:03 PM

Hi, It's a Halger 280 HV Magnum, pic's below, cheers

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#192477 - 25/10/11 03:07 PM

Cheers Huvius,

My one is numbered 72 and I got some ammo with.
How do you load photos on this site?

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192479 - 25/10/11 03:46 PM

Quote:

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How do you load photos on this site?

You'll need to link them from an image hosting site (eg "photobucket" is a free host site).

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shamus
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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: mauserand9mm]
#192481 - 25/10/11 04:00 PM

Try this link, there's also picture of the original ammo
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a...mp;l=83efe6361e
Cheers

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192487 - 25/10/11 06:06 PM

a treasure

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#192492 - 25/10/11 10:02 PM

A real treasure! It would benefit from a sympathetic restoration. BTW I'd suggest you look at minimum 280 Rem mag loads in slow powders for starters then work backwards to those a bit faster. Of course proportional density of powder charge to volume is some guideline and here our Euro respondents might assist.
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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: kamilaroi]
#192500 - 25/10/11 11:35 PM

I have a box of the same ammunition. All with cracked necks too.
Your gun looks to be built to the standard Halger pattern with variations here and there. I will post some pictures of mine if I have any.
Do you plan on shooting the Halger?

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#192503 - 25/10/11 11:52 PM

Not only an interesting find concerning the rifle.

The Scope also shows a development of low mounting objective , today advertised by Leupold using the same idea.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6563/ajack.jpg

Edited by justcurious (25/10/11 11:55 PM)

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: justcurious]
#192504 - 25/10/11 11:59 PM

the ajack is very valuable alone

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#192506 - 26/10/11 12:04 AM

I should ad , that the article above was released in June 1925 .

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#192522 - 26/10/11 05:09 AM

would be great to see them, looks like the cases haven't been annealed, any idea of value?

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: kamilaroi]
#192523 - 26/10/11 05:11 AM

Quote:

A real treasure! It would benefit from a sympathetic restoration. BTW I'd suggest you look at minimum 280 Rem mag loads in slow powders for starters then work backwards to those a bit faster. Of course proportional density of powder charge to volume is some guideline and here our Euro respondents might assist.
(no liability or absolute terms implied nor inferred)

I've got some 280 Ross and Halger dies so might have a wee play.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192524 - 26/10/11 05:15 AM

It's hard to get a gauge on its value, any ideas

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192528 - 26/10/11 08:29 AM

I think these cases have a higher copper composition than usual. Not sure if that has anything to do with the neck splits or if they split because they originally had a higher neck tension than normal because the bullets have no cannelure thus no crimp.
I can tell you that I sold my Halger for $4600 which looking back I feel was too low. I should have kept it really although it was quite heavy and impossibly long by today's standards. Long barrel, long action, long forend, and a long length of pull. Often wondered just who ordered it that way. Guy must have been 6'5"...

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#192534 - 26/10/11 12:54 PM

Yep it's one for the giants, cheers for the info.
I'm looking at selling it as I've found an original cased 416 Rigby in lovely condition but can't afford to keep both at the moment.
You don’t get many chances to get your hands on Rigby.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192538 - 26/10/11 03:13 PM

Quote:

...I've found an original cased 416 Rigby in lovely condition but can't afford to keep both at the moment.
You don’t get many chances to get your hands on Rigby.

Can I hear an "AMEN"
IMO, the Halger is a very cool gun in its own right, but an original cased Rigby is a different matter altogether!

Like I said, I wish I had not sold mine but at the time I was getting into Brit guns and the Halger just didn't fit in with what I was wanting in the collection.
The buyer of my gun had some connection to some descendants of the Halbe and Gerlich concern so I was a bit pleased that it was going back home so to speak.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#192540 - 26/10/11 03:21 PM

AMEN!!!!
When I get my grubby little mitts on it, I'll post some pics.
It's always good to see good gear go to someone that appreciates it.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#196357 - 11/12/11 05:00 AM

Hmmm the case certainly looks like the .280 Ross and if so it uses 0.287" bullets and not the commonly used today 0.284".

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Brithunter]
#196365 - 11/12/11 05:24 AM

Wasn't it Halger who offered squeeze bore rifles in an early attempt at extracting maximum velocities out of their rifles? Probably OT, or may be not, if this is one of those . . .

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: mehulkamdar]
#206546 - 05/04/12 08:46 AM

Are the bullets .284 or .287 like the Ross? Harold

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: mbogo3]
#206558 - 05/04/12 01:18 PM

Article not so long ago on the round and the rifle in Handloader or Rifle - either/or. It was noted the .280 Halger is nothing less nor more than a .280 Ross round.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: DarylS]
#206562 - 05/04/12 03:29 PM

139 grain bullet @ 3510 Ft/sec!!!. THat thing must have been pumped with fastburning riflepowder to really achieve such performance. I do suspect the pressure issue is way above of what I would load it for. My .270Wea has pushed a 140grain bullet to 3380 Ft/Sec but to add an additional 130 Feet would destroy brass and wear down the rifle.

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