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Dr_Deer
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Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS
      #190838 - 27/09/11 10:03 AM

Posted on behalf of Rolf, the double discussed in the 8x75RS thread http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=64958&Main=64168

Manufacturer: master gunsmith Scheiring, Ferlach, Austria

Rifle: Double barrel underlever rifle in .375 H&H with additional set of barrels in 8x75 RS

Price: ca. 70.000 € (price for a new rifle: between 100.000 and 120.000 €)

Ammunition used for regulation and supplied with the gun:
.375 H&H: 270grs Hirtenberger ABC with Moly-coating
8x75 RS: 220grs Sierra SPBT Gameking with Moly-coating



























Edited by CptCurl (27/09/11 08:08 PM)

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: Dr_Deer]
      #190839 - 27/09/11 02:09 PM

I certainly wouldn't kick it out of bed...

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: kamilaroi]
      #190840 - 27/09/11 02:14 PM

Magic, one could easily sell one's sole for that beautiful rifle.

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #190841 - 27/09/11 02:40 PM

Beautiful craftsmanship!

I'd be tempted to sell my soul.. even my soles or the whole boot.. Gott`cha back Jeff!

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: AkMike]
      #190843 - 27/09/11 03:28 PM


That is awesome. I love push levers.

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: 500Nitro]
      #190846 - 27/09/11 06:28 PM

I have a single shot in 7x65R by this maker and to see a double like this made me catch my breath.
You blokes could be right about the God thing, for he sure is punishing me now !!

Edited by underlever (27/09/11 06:30 PM)

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: AkMike]
      #190855 - 27/09/11 10:18 PM

Quote:

Beautiful craftsmanship!

I'd be tempted to sell my soul.. even my ARsole or the whole boDY.. Gott`cha back Jeff!



Sure Did, Sort of....

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #190863 - 28/09/11 12:10 AM

Very nice. I think 8mm and 375 as the barrel choices will prove very useful.

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: Dr_Deer]
      #190913 - 28/09/11 01:31 PM

If I was Mr Scheiring, I would be pissed at the proof house for bungling the proof marks so badly.
I could probably do better than they did.
I hate to be a kill joy, but my personal taste simply does not agree with the Austrian style (nor Bavarian for that matter).
Springer is a different story, however.
No matter what, the gun sure looks to be extremely well made.
Best regards,
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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: WildCattle]
      #190914 - 28/09/11 01:33 PM


WildCattle

What is wrong with the proof marks ?

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: 500Nitro]
      #190919 - 28/09/11 05:15 PM

What a beautiful rifle and two great calibres.

I suppose one could question the similar 'power' levels of a 270 gr .375 and a 220 gr 8x75RS, but the 8mm would be so ideal for European hunting of boar and stag, while the 270 gr .375 would make a dandy driven game loading as well, in addition to being adequate for a lot of African hunting.

A German style double rifle, and very nice.

Can anyone tell me, what is the purpose for the two round "holes" machined out of the "hood"? And the correct terms for these features?



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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: NitroX]
      #190929 - 28/09/11 08:19 PM

Gentlemen,

let me first thank Fritz W. The ownder of this fine gun of allowing me to handle the rifle and to make photos for the NE forum and Brett/DR. Deer for the work of inserting the pictures here.

more pictures from Scheiring:
http://www.jagdwaffen-scheiring.at/

John: I thought the two holes on the hood are recesses for an additional locking mechanism.

best regards
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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: Rolf]
      #190940 - 29/09/11 12:27 AM

Quote:

John: I thought the two holes on the hood are recesses for an additional locking mechanism.



Thanks for the answer. I guessed that must be the case. Any particular name for that form of lockup? (anyone?)

Rolf and DrD,

Thanks for posting.

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Edited by NitroX (29/09/11 12:27 AM)

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: 500Nitro]
      #190943 - 29/09/11 01:25 AM

They are badly misaligned...
I hate when they do that on a very expensive gun.
WC

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: WildCattle]
      #190958 - 29/09/11 08:02 AM



Quote:
Don't know if its got " jagerverschluss " as I don't know what that is.



"Yes, it is the Ferlach iteration of old Franz Jaeger's "Kippblockverschluss" DRPatent Nr.209113 of 1906. Some Ferlach gunmakers build guns on such actions since about 1970, of course without mentioning Jaeger. They usually build them as snap-action underlevers and use a round boss, visible in the photos, instead of F. Jaeger's flange, to lock the tilting breechblock into the top-rib extension. Blaser reinvented this action and even managed to patent it to use it on their K95 and several others, and consequently Merkel feared legal troubles when they introduced a similar action. Following an advice from GGCA circles, they expressly advertized their K and B series as having a "Jaeger-Kippblock-Verschluss" and never heard a thing from Blaser. Jaeger's breech design is regarded as the strongest break-open breech, as there is no pressure to be taken by the action bar. You may even disassemble such a gun, load the barrel, slip on the breechblock, tape it in place and fire the cartridge by hitting the firing pin/striker with a hammer. That breechblock, if properly fitted, will not move the slightest."

Kuduae posted this in regard to my Scheiring single shot which has the same locking arrangement.

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: NitroX]
      #190967 - 29/09/11 09:32 AM

Quote:

Quote:

John: I thought the two holes on the hood are recesses for an additional locking mechanism.



Thanks for the answer. I guessed that must be the case. Any particular name for that form of lockup? (anyone?)

Rolf and DrD,

Thanks for posting.



It looks like a version of "Der Jägersche Vertikalblock-Verschluss" to my eyes but I'm an ecologist not an engineer

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS *DELETED* [Re: Dr_Deer]
      #190989 - 29/09/11 01:38 PM

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: kamilaroi]
      #191061 - 30/09/11 06:00 PM

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^ You're too subtle by far, mate.



At least Dr Deer posts good informative constructive posts, rather than continual snide BS one liners.

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: NitroX]
      #191064 - 30/09/11 06:17 PM

Nice rifle Col.

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      #191082 - 30/09/11 09:23 PM

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: Dr_Deer]
      #191129 - 01/10/11 04:34 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

John: I thought the two holes on the hood are recesses for an additional locking mechanism.



Thanks for the answer. I guessed that must be the case. Any particular name for that form of lockup? (anyone?)

Rolf and DrD,

Thanks for posting.



It looks like a version of "Der Jägersche Vertikalblock-Verschluss" to my eyes but I'm an ecologist not an engineer



DD

Thanks for that. So that translates into the "Hunters Vertical Block Lock".

I'm surprised by the amount of metal above the chambers, similar to the Blaser doubles. Surely it makes the reloading of these doubles problematic in a hurry. At least slower?

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: NitroX]
      #191130 - 01/10/11 05:55 PM

Not quite, it's Jäger's vertical block lock, as it was first patented by Franz Jäger in 1906. So AFAIK what we are seeing here is a Ferlach version of the lock (now) most commonly seen used in Merkel and Blaser Kipplauf's (K1, K3 & K4, & K95) and Blaser's SxS double rifle (S2) and drilling (D99).

Norbert Klupps take on it can be found here http://www.st-hubertus.at/?id=2500%2C1014198%2C%2C

As for the metal hanging over, it's probably the price you pay for running a .300Win Mag and similar in a 2.5kg Aluminium framed Kipplauf.

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: Dr_Deer]
      #191293 - 04/10/11 09:59 PM

Danke.

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: NitroX]
      #196408 - 11/12/11 03:51 PM

Im old with poor eyesight but I cant see any checquering.

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Re: Scheiring double barrel underlever rifle .375H&H & 8x75RS [Re: Hubert]
      #196473 - 12/12/11 03:57 AM

I'm not seeing any either, Hubert - even enlarged the pictures, but the quality wasn't very good.(CTRL +) and didn't show any nor any what might have been checkering borders. could be my monitor or my eyes, too.

I like the rifle. Was thinking those projections over the chambers might act as a guide or at least not hinder laoding too much if any.

Handling the gun would be the only way to find out, now if only the owner would send it post haste - I'll do the testing and report straight back to the forum.

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