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Break Action Singles
      #190050 - 17/09/11 11:09 AM

Seeing chapmen's Eckholdt makes me wonder what most folks out there think of break action singles.
I don't own any break action single shot rifles other than rook rifles (that is about to change though - more on that later).

It seems as though higher quality break action singles had a very short heyday, at least as far as those of British make. My guess is that the falling block rifles were less costly to make and maybe a bit more accurate.
Is this assumption correct? Is there a reason why their popularity lived on in Europe? Is it because much of the hunting there is in mountainous terrain and a klipplauf is easier to pack in the field?

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Huvius]
      #190053 - 17/09/11 11:32 AM

I would love a Merkel single-shot. Someday, perhaps...

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
      #190063 - 17/09/11 12:54 PM

Judging from the comments of Europeans I hunt with who use klipplaufs, the popularity stems from the attitude that they are the ultimate "gentlemans stalking rifle"

As for English break action rifles, could they compete with those utilising Franz Jäger's patents?

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Dr_Deer]
      #190067 - 17/09/11 02:23 PM

I cant see a another break action that can compete with the Franz Jäger action and yes, this is the ultimate gentlemans rifle.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
      #190069 - 17/09/11 03:55 PM

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I would love a Merkel single-shot. Someday, perhaps...



Here's an fine example, not an Merkel but an Sauer&Sohn Suhl...............

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3482455

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: chapmen]
      #190083 - 17/09/11 08:34 PM

that a great example, think its better to save the pics
Sauer&Sohn 8x60R now 2100 euro and the action will go 22 days. wonder how much money this will bring but giving you a good imagination about the value of such an classic single shot rifle.












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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: lancaster]
      #190089 - 17/09/11 10:43 PM

With that 1/2 pipe side-frame reinforcement, I have serious doubts that the sporting weapon was manufactured at the Sauer & Sohn facilities. But the tip-up singles were the pinnacle of stalking weapons and were peddled by most of the larger concerns including Remo and others. I think it is the juncture of art and application/functionality.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: ellenbr]
      #190107 - 18/09/11 05:27 AM





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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: chapmen]
      #190110 - 18/09/11 07:01 AM

The rifle is an upgrade of the Sauer & Sohn, Suhl model 1936. A very similar rifle is shown in Jim Cate's S&S book, page 177.
Here are some photos of my own standard grade S&S M36 in 7x57R, proofed March 1937. Sure, it is not a collectors item any more, but a good break-open working rifle. My grandfather bought it when new. In 1945 he put it in a wooden box and buried it in a fox burrow out in the woods. When it was unearthed some years later, it showed some outside rusting on the left side and a ruined stock, a fate it shared with many guns that stayed in Germany post-WW2. Grandpa had it restocked by some local "gunsmith" and a scope fitted in some way to the existing bases, much too high and too far back. That "gunsmith" produced an awful stock shape, apparently influenced by then-current target rifle style, with a 3 by 3" beavertail foreend. After I inherited the rifle 35 years ago, in due time I trimmed down that clumsy stock to something at least resembling a proper single-shot stock. I replaced the defective ds trigger with a single one, the shaky claw mounts with old style Warne bases and rings and mounted a 1960s vintage 4x Hensoldt "Diasta" scope. No, it isn't for sale!









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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: kuduae]
      #190112 - 18/09/11 07:25 AM

So, please educate me. Today, other than Merkel, who is manufacturing break-action single-shots?

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
      #190206 - 19/09/11 07:50 AM

Ben, definately not "higher end", but my son uses a pair of H&R handi rifles[ one is a 30-06, the other is a 44 mag]. He has taken deer, bear, wild boar, and in 2008 he used the 30-06 to take 7 head of plains game, in RSA with me. He hasn't used anything but single shot/rifles or shotguns, since he started hunting with me 20 yrs. ago. If ya wanna see them, I got pics!


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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
      #190212 - 19/09/11 08:59 AM



Quote:

I would love a Merkel single-shot. Someday, perhaps...



In 18 years time....

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #190341 - 21/09/11 07:46 AM

After reading this thread I got to looking around and at the local Cabela's there is a Merkel K3,
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Gun-Libra...WTz_stype%3DGNP

I handled it and was aghast at the poor wood to metal fit, the buttstock was about .05" high in places. I expected better from Merkel and for any gun that cost nearly 4 grand.
I have a Savage 219 break single I paid $200 and the fit is better

Shocked

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: MClark]
      #190472 - 22/09/11 05:37 PM

Ben,
Krieghoff is making a fine single shot break open action with an excellent integral scope mounting system (not inexpensive) called the Hubertus- accuracy in an example I shot in 9.3x74R was exceptional.

Mark,
Interesting notes on the Merkel, I had considered one (and now probably can forget it) and appreciate the feedback. Was the receiver made a an aluminum alloy or steel?

Best Regards

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: CWJ1898]
      #190582 - 23/09/11 11:31 PM

Here are some more break action singles by FAIR on their 28Ga action I think !
Some nice combos on the site to .





Edited by CptCurl (12/10/11 11:05 AM)

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
      #190667 - 25/09/11 07:38 AM

Quote:

So, please educate me. Today, other than Merkel, who is manufacturing break-action single-shots?



Available over here.
In the budget category ... Rossi, H&R, Baikal, Bergara.
Mid range ... Thompson-Contender.
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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Con]
      #190677 - 25/09/11 10:53 AM

THere were a few at Mialls, Frankston. (tho overpriced)

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: kamilaroi]
      #190679 - 25/09/11 11:06 AM

Max Ern makes the finest I know of.....

http://www.max-ern.com/english/galerie4-1.htm

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
      #190745 - 26/09/11 10:32 AM

Quote:

So, please educate me. Today, other than Merkel, who is manufacturing break-action single-shots?



Blaser make the Jager locked K95 (in .22 hornet through to 9.3x74R and .300 Win Mag), wood to metal fit on even the poverty pack standard grade is excellent IMHO.

Spent the weekend in the sambar hills trying to convince a mate to sell his as he's now too busy hunting with his drilling but the bastard still wont sell

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Huvius]
      #191554 - 10/10/11 12:47 PM

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Seeing chapmen's Eckholdt makes me wonder what most folks out there think of break action singles.
I don't own any break action single shot rifles other than rook rifles (that is about to change though - more on that later).

It seems as though higher quality break action singles had a very short heyday, at least as far as those of British make. My guess is that the falling block rifles were less costly to make and maybe a bit more accurate.
Is this assumption correct? Is there a reason why their popularity lived on in Europe? Is it because much of the hunting there is in mountainous terrain and a klipplauf is easier to pack in the field?



this one sold for 5.232,00 EURO
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3482455

giving you a good impression how valuable such a break action single shot rifle could be.
it comes close to a new merkel DR

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
      #191603 - 11/10/11 06:27 AM

Best Kipplaufbuchse is close if not on par with best Continental double - pinacle of stalking rifles - every EU gunsmith worth his salt makes one (Ferlach, Merkel, Krieghoff...) - light, handy, pointable - as a rule those are probably the most accurate rifles out there and comply with make-one-shot-count mentality...

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So, please educate me. Today, other than Merkel, who is manufacturing break-action single-shots?



For instance look at this lovely K - Esencia:



Sells for 30K€

...or this one from Ferlach:





Starting price at 24K€...

Actually I am after one since my birth...

Edited by CptCurl (12/10/11 11:06 AM)

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: 93mouse]
      #191608 - 11/10/11 07:21 AM

I imported this Italian Perugini & Visini barreled action in 7X65R a few years ago. I am now offering it for sale. Preferably for completion as a custom rifle from my shop, but? It has a very interesting blend of traditions look and features with some modern, patented items such as an ejector. Definitely not in the budget category.
For more info go to my website: http://www.finegunmaking.com/page41/page15/page15.html
Or contact me.



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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: SDH]
      #191613 - 11/10/11 11:15 AM

iam having one single shot build my german custom riflemaker,adamy gebruder in caliber 7x65r,i have some inages of rifle being built buyt not idea how to post photos,rifle is kipplauf,left han version,octagonal barell ,colour case hardening

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: LickiLovac]
      #191616 - 11/10/11 12:51 PM

Quote:

iam having one single shot build my german custom riflemaker,adamy gebruder in caliber 7x65r,i have some inages of rifle being built buyt not idea how to post photos,rifle is kipplauf,left han version,octagonal barell ,colour case hardening



Mail, them to me and I'll post them for you.
You have a Private Message from me.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: DarylS]
      #191630 - 11/10/11 07:20 PM

Fanzoj's round body with underlever...







One must handle one to appreciate it...first impression is they are tiny - one above weighs only 2kg

Source: http://www.fanzoj.com/en/gunroom/custom_built_weapons/single_shot_stalking_rifles/index.html

Edited by CptCurl (12/10/11 11:08 AM)

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