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Huvius
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Break Action Singles
#190050 - 17/09/11 11:09 AM

Seeing chapmen's Eckholdt makes me wonder what most folks out there think of break action singles.
I don't own any break action single shot rifles other than rook rifles (that is about to change though - more on that later).

It seems as though higher quality break action singles had a very short heyday, at least as far as those of British make. My guess is that the falling block rifles were less costly to make and maybe a bit more accurate.
Is this assumption correct? Is there a reason why their popularity lived on in Europe? Is it because much of the hunting there is in mountainous terrain and a klipplauf is easier to pack in the field?

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Huvius]
#190053 - 17/09/11 11:32 AM

I would love a Merkel single-shot. Someday, perhaps...

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
#190063 - 17/09/11 12:54 PM

Judging from the comments of Europeans I hunt with who use klipplaufs, the popularity stems from the attitude that they are the ultimate "gentlemans stalking rifle"

As for English break action rifles, could they compete with those utilising Franz Jäger's patents?

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Dr_Deer]
#190067 - 17/09/11 02:23 PM

I cant see a another break action that can compete with the Franz Jäger action and yes, this is the ultimate gentlemans rifle.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
#190069 - 17/09/11 03:55 PM

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I would love a Merkel single-shot. Someday, perhaps...

Here's an fine example, not an Merkel but an Sauer&Sohn Suhl...............

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3482455

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: chapmen]
#190083 - 17/09/11 08:34 PM

that a great example, think its better to save the pics
Sauer&Sohn 8x60R now 2100 euro and the action will go 22 days. wonder how much money this will bring but giving you a good imagination about the value of such an classic single shot rifle.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: lancaster]
#190089 - 17/09/11 10:43 PM

With that 1/2 pipe side-frame reinforcement, I have serious doubts that the sporting weapon was manufactured at the Sauer & Sohn facilities. But the tip-up singles were the pinnacle of stalking weapons and were peddled by most of the larger concerns including Remo and others. I think it is the juncture of art and application/functionality.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: ellenbr]
#190107 - 18/09/11 05:27 AM

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: chapmen]
#190110 - 18/09/11 07:01 AM

The rifle is an upgrade of the Sauer & Sohn, Suhl model 1936. A very similar rifle is shown in Jim Cate's S&S book, page 177.
Here are some photos of my own standard grade S&S M36 in 7x57R, proofed March 1937. Sure, it is not a collectors item any more, but a good break-open working rifle. My grandfather bought it when new. In 1945 he put it in a wooden box and buried it in a fox burrow out in the woods. When it was unearthed some years later, it showed some outside rusting on the left side and a ruined stock, a fate it shared with many guns that stayed in Germany post-WW2. Grandpa had it restocked by some local "gunsmith" and a scope fitted in some way to the existing bases, much too high and too far back. That "gunsmith" produced an awful stock shape, apparently influenced by then-current target rifle style, with a 3 by 3" beavertail foreend. After I inherited the rifle 35 years ago, in due time I trimmed down that clumsy stock to something at least resembling a proper single-shot stock. I replaced the defective ds trigger with a single one, the shaky claw mounts with old style Warne bases and rings and mounted a 1960s vintage 4x Hensoldt "Diasta" scope. No, it isn't for sale!

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: kuduae]
#190112 - 18/09/11 07:25 AM

So, please educate me. Today, other than Merkel, who is manufacturing break-action single-shots?

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
#190206 - 19/09/11 07:50 AM

Ben, definately not "higher end", but my son uses a pair of H&R handi rifles[ one is a 30-06, the other is a 44 mag]. He has taken deer, bear, wild boar, and in 2008 he used the 30-06 to take 7 head of plains game, in RSA with me. He hasn't used anything but single shot/rifles or shotguns, since he started hunting with me 20 yrs. ago. If ya wanna see them, I got pics!

Maddog

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
#190212 - 19/09/11 08:59 AM

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I would love a Merkel single-shot. Someday, perhaps...

In 18 years time....

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#190341 - 21/09/11 07:46 AM

After reading this thread I got to looking around and at the local Cabela's there is a Merkel K3,
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Gun-Libra...WTz_stype%3DGNP

I handled it and was aghast at the poor wood to metal fit, the buttstock was about .05" high in places. I expected better from Merkel and for any gun that cost nearly 4 grand.
I have a Savage 219 break single I paid $200 and the fit is better

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: MClark]
#190472 - 22/09/11 05:37 PM

Ben,
Krieghoff is making a fine single shot break open action with an excellent integral scope mounting system (not inexpensive) called the Hubertus- accuracy in an example I shot in 9.3x74R was exceptional.

Mark,
Interesting notes on the Merkel, I had considered one (and now probably can forget it) and appreciate the feedback. Was the receiver made a an aluminum alloy or steel?

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: CWJ1898]
#190582 - 23/09/11 11:31 PM

Here are some more break action singles by FAIR on their 28Ga action I think !
Some nice combos on the site to .

Edited by CptCurl (12/10/11 11:05 AM)

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
#190667 - 25/09/11 07:38 AM

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So, please educate me. Today, other than Merkel, who is manufacturing break-action single-shots?

Available over here.
In the budget category ... Rossi, H&R, Baikal, Bergara.
Mid range ... Thompson-Contender.
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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Con]
#190677 - 25/09/11 10:53 AM

THere were a few at Mialls, Frankston. (tho overpriced)

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: kamilaroi]
#190679 - 25/09/11 11:06 AM

Max Ern makes the finest I know of.....

http://www.max-ern.com/english/galerie4-1.htm

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
#190745 - 26/09/11 10:32 AM

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So, please educate me. Today, other than Merkel, who is manufacturing break-action single-shots?

Blaser make the Jager locked K95 (in .22 hornet through to 9.3x74R and .300 Win Mag), wood to metal fit on even the poverty pack standard grade is excellent IMHO.

Spent the weekend in the sambar hills trying to convince a mate to sell his as he's now too busy hunting with his drilling but the bastard still wont sell

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Huvius]
#191554 - 10/10/11 12:47 PM

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Seeing chapmen's Eckholdt makes me wonder what most folks out there think of break action singles.
I don't own any break action single shot rifles other than rook rifles (that is about to change though - more on that later).

It seems as though higher quality break action singles had a very short heyday, at least as far as those of British make. My guess is that the falling block rifles were less costly to make and maybe a bit more accurate.
Is this assumption correct? Is there a reason why their popularity lived on in Europe? Is it because much of the hunting there is in mountainous terrain and a klipplauf is easier to pack in the field?

this one sold for 5.232,00 EURO
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3482455

giving you a good impression how valuable such a break action single shot rifle could be.
it comes close to a new merkel DR

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
#191603 - 11/10/11 06:27 AM

Best Kipplaufbuchse is close if not on par with best Continental double - pinacle of stalking rifles - every EU gunsmith worth his salt makes one (Ferlach, Merkel, Krieghoff...) - light, handy, pointable - as a rule those are probably the most accurate rifles out there and comply with make-one-shot-count mentality...

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So, please educate me. Today, other than Merkel, who is manufacturing break-action single-shots?

For instance look at this lovely K - Esencia:

Sells for 30K€

...or this one from Ferlach:

Starting price at 24K€...

Actually I am after one since my birth...

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: 93mouse]
#191608 - 11/10/11 07:21 AM

I imported this Italian Perugini & Visini barreled action in 7X65R a few years ago. I am now offering it for sale. Preferably for completion as a custom rifle from my shop, but? It has a very interesting blend of traditions look and features with some modern, patented items such as an ejector. Definitely not in the budget category.
For more info go to my website: http://www.finegunmaking.com/page41/page15/page15.html
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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: SDH]
#191613 - 11/10/11 11:15 AM

iam having one single shot build my german custom riflemaker,adamy gebruder in caliber 7x65r,i have some inages of rifle being built buyt not idea how to post photos,rifle is kipplauf,left han version,octagonal barell ,colour case hardening

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: LickiLovac]
#191616 - 11/10/11 12:51 PM

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iam having one single shot build my german custom riflemaker,adamy gebruder in caliber 7x65r,i have some inages of rifle being built buyt not idea how to post photos,rifle is kipplauf,left han version,octagonal barell ,colour case hardening

Mail, them to me and I'll post them for you.
You have a Private Message from me.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: DarylS]
#191630 - 11/10/11 07:20 PM

Fanzoj's round body with underlever...

One must handle one to appreciate it...first impression is they are tiny - one above weighs only 2kg

Source: http://www.fanzoj.com/en/gunroom/custom_built_weapons/single_shot_stalking_rifles/index.html

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: 93mouse]
#191631 - 11/10/11 07:41 PM

Absolutely exquisite!

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: 93mouse]
#191637 - 11/10/11 09:10 PM

Yep! What Rick said.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: LickiLovac]
#191638 - 11/10/11 09:12 PM

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iam having one single shot build my german custom riflemaker,adamy gebruder in caliber 7x65r,i have some inages of rifle being built buyt not idea how to post photos,rifle is kipplauf,left han version,octagonal barell ,colour case hardening

like this one?
http://www.adamy-jagdwaffen.de/kipplaufbuechse.php

gebrüder adamy is one of the oldest firms still in business today in suhl. I get an 16 bore double gun from gebrüder adamy end of the month

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: lancaster]
#191641 - 11/10/11 09:33 PM

This sort of single shot is not very common in Oz and still consider myself more then fortunate to have one in the safe. Its the ONLY rifle I own that is either in the safe or in my sight. I dote over it and will be the last to go if I ever I have to sell up. It was made by Scheiring of Austria and is a 7x65R. It weights little and makes one feel like a real dandy when out hunting.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: underlever]
#191643 - 11/10/11 09:48 PM

Wunderbar!

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Ben]
#191659 - 12/10/11 12:28 AM

Very nice - excellent round, too.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: DarylS]
#191661 - 12/10/11 01:08 AM

Some beautiful probably extremely well balanced rifles.

The Fanzoj is absolutely exquisite.

One day I would love a light weight single in a long range calibre for mountain hunting.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: NitroX]
#191664 - 12/10/11 01:18 AM

While we are on the subject I must bring up a question that has been nagging me. Has anyone ever seen in the flesh a a H&H Royal sidelock single? If so was it a bar action or back action lock? here is one of Max Ern's ....

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: bouldersmith]
#191668 - 12/10/11 02:32 AM

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...was it a bar action or back action lock?

If I am not mistaken, the need for a single to have a back action lock would not be as great as it is in a double. There would be plenty of bar strength on the off side, right?
Do bar actions have an inherently more powerful spring or a more reliable spring than a back action?

BTW, the item which sparked my original post should arrive today

Clearly, that Max guy doesn't know what a good gun is supposed to look like! Geeeeez...

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Huvius]
#191669 - 12/10/11 02:47 AM

I believe it to be true that bar action locks should suffice on a single. The only good picture of a British single best quality Nitro sidelock I have found is of a Purdey with a bar action lock chambered in .246 on page 33 of Tate's British Gun Engraving. An good book if you don't have it.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: bouldersmith]
#191684 - 12/10/11 09:29 AM

From memory the early break action BP guns were predominantly back action.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: 93mouse]
#191724 - 13/10/11 01:50 AM

LikiLovac's pictures of the single shot rifle he is having built:

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Huvius]
#191728 - 13/10/11 04:17 AM

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Clearly, that Max guy doesn't know what a good gun is supposed to look like! Geeeeez...

Huvius, what is your compaint against the Ernst's workmanship? Their's are the only new rising bite actions I have seen in completed form. And they are completely built in-house, or better yet "in-family": Max Ern and his son Max jun. do all the gunsmithing including barrel rifling and colour case hardening, while his wife Evelyn Ern does the engraving. I recommend you take a look at their homepage, in English:
http://www.max-ern.com/english/home.htm
At least, I do not know any other shop or family with comparable capbilities in gunmaking.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: kuduae]
#191729 - 13/10/11 04:31 AM

I believe Mr. Huvius was being sarcastic.....there is nothing not to like on Mr. Ern's guns from my point of view. Max Ern is absolutely at the top of his game. He is truly an inspiration.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: bouldersmith]
#191734 - 13/10/11 10:15 AM

Maybe I need to get just a little bit heavier with the tongue in cheek comments. I can't believe anybody took me seriously!
I stand before you, hand on heart, and affirm that Max Ern does in fact know what a best gun should look like.
And he (they) nailed it on that one.
The ONLY thing I would want different is that I like to see the third bite come up through the loop on the rib extension as done on a Rigby double. Just looks neat with the black of the barrel, the steel of the action and the fire blue (?) of the bite. Nice contrast of colors that way.
I was all excited about my Rigby break action, now I might feel too ashamed to show it...

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Huvius]
#191736 - 13/10/11 10:55 AM

Oh, I would like to see the Rigby.....

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: bouldersmith]
#191748 - 13/10/11 02:41 PM

Crummy indoor pictures, but a start. I will get some good outdoor pics this weekend if the weather cooperates.
This Rigby began life as a 303 British. Like so many 303's, it had a poor bore but lots of meat in the barrel so was rebored/chambered by Rigby in 400/350.
The scope is original and numbered to the gun. Overall, a pretty nice gun and one you don't come across that often.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Huvius]
#191752 - 13/10/11 04:06 PM

Huvius,

Interesting rifle and a nice useful calibre in .350.

What do you use it for? Collection or also hunting? Thanks.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: NitroX]
#191772 - 14/10/11 12:10 AM

NitroX, just got it two days ago, so nothing to report yet.
I could see using this for Elk hunting. That would be nice.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Huvius]
#191777 - 14/10/11 01:27 AM

What a lovely 'stalking rifle'.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: DarylS]
#191784 - 14/10/11 03:57 AM

Nice, I like it!

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: bouldersmith]
#192009 - 17/10/11 02:00 PM

At this time Bailey Bradshaw is working on a break open side lever single shot rifle in 7x65r for me it is going to be a light weight stalking rifle of the old school, I have seen the starting photos and it looks to be a outstanding design.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: rnb]
#194926 - 26/11/11 12:56 PM

I see Ceska Zbrojovka Brno is back as a separate entity to CZ, retained all the logos etc.

They offer the Brno Effect... while the base level ones seem rather plain and a bit agricultural, they do offer a custom engraving service, a Lux, and a fullwood version.

http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/105-zbrane-brno-rifles/OUBR/BRNO_EFFECT.aspx

I believe these are being sold into the US market but not Australia... anyone handled one?

One in 7x64R could be interesting...

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: TilleyMan]
#194970 - 27/11/11 03:02 AM

Hmmm Chapuis of France used to offer a nice looking break action single rifle.. Cannot find it on their web site now though.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Brithunter]
#195074 - 28/11/11 08:15 AM

Here is mine, not quite on the same level, but it shoots straight and only cost $130.00.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Photog]
#195102 - 28/11/11 11:29 AM

Photog - that rifle of yours, could have cost another $100.00 and had a nicer looking action, almost identical to the next one up, if a larger chunk of steel was used and a bit of milling done to it. The internals work and with a bit of thought, any single shot rifle maker of these cheaper guns, would have a ready market, if the LOOKED nicer. The receiver could even be plain, or with some fine line cast-in engraving as is normal these days for some guns.

If I could buy one plain, non-engraved, that looked like the Rigby or Sheiring above, for $300.00 or even #400.00 but with the NEF Centre Fire or H&A Centre Fire guts, I would. I'm dang sure there is a market.

Imagine, nicley tapered, 26" bl. in 7x57 or 7x65 - wouldn't need much in the way of cosmetic change, either, a little scuplting as-cast. Afterall, these rifles are chambered for .270's, .253's and other rounds which run 63,000psi or more.

All that's missing, for some people, is cosmetics.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: DarylS]
#195108 - 28/11/11 12:44 PM

The bad thing is they do cost $100 more, even more than that actually, and they aren't even as good as this old one. I agree though, if only they would put some time into how they look they could sell much better. I have a file of single shot break action photos that I save trying to pick out the details that change them from pallet wood and pipe into art. Still no luck on what I can change on one of these to make one of those.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Photog]
#195110 - 28/11/11 12:48 PM

Here is one that came close, too bad they don't make it anymore. This one happened to have around a 10LB trigger so I traded it for a custom long bow.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Photog]
#220304 - 26/11/12 10:31 PM

As Huvius said in his original post, the English tip open single shot rifles are rare, rare, rare. The Contintentals are not common, but certainly more so than the Brits.

His Rigby is the only Brit rifle on this thread so far. Now let me present its older brother:

The brother has his own thread at this link:

John Rigby & Co. 40-70 Bottle Neck Single Shot Rifle #15130

These truly are magic!

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Borovnik Hahn Ischler Kipplaufstutzen [Re: CptCurl]
#220497 - 29/11/12 07:32 AM

A break open single shot rifle made in Ferlach by Ludwig BOROVNIK, finished and scoped by DORLEAC.
That kind of rifle originated in the Bad Ischl area, in upper Austria, Province of Salsburg.
For a continental chamois hunter it's the epitome of the light and handy mountain rifle.
The rebounding hammer sidelock is the safest system for a rifle that is carried loaded during long stalk and cocked only before the shot.
That one, in stuzen form (stocked to the muzzle) sports a Bölher "Super Blitz" 23" monobloc barrel, chambered for the 6,5x57R cartridge and fitted to a typical rounded Ischler action. The bolting is by means of two Purdey type under lugs with a sort of doll head.
The classic stock was made from a very dense piece of French walnut and the traditional Austrian engraving is from the hands of OBILTSCHNIG.
We have finished the in the white barrel, fitting the sights and the Swarovski scope on special reduced "Ferlacher Art" hand made claw mounts.
Hubert DAMPERAT, a young talented French engraver, did the rib engraving in the same style, then all parts were slow rust blued.
That rifle weights only 6lb 8oz and prints cloverleaves with RWS 8,2g KS.
Sorry for by bad English…hope you will enjoy.

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Re: Borovnik Hahn Ischler Kipplaufstutzen [Re: DORLEAC]
#220503 - 29/11/12 08:52 AM

Just magnificent..

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: bakposten]
#220505 - 29/11/12 09:33 AM

That's one beautiful rifle. Thanks for sharing the photos.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: CptCurl]
#220510 - 29/11/12 11:04 AM

How we perseived a rifle is a personal 'thing'.

I find the 'rosette' on the forend of that Ferlach rifle, an interesting use of horn, but I do not like it, however, it's interesting, none the less.

I feel it detracts from an otherwise excellent rifle's, 'work' and lines.

Sorry, but I find it quite ugly, along with that weird schnable 1/2 way down the forend - a really nice looking rifle would have been escalated to a MOST BEAUTIFUL Rifle, without those uhg, features - imho.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: DarylS]
#220512 - 29/11/12 11:42 AM

Beauty is most certainly in the "Eye of the beholder" The schnable 1/2 way down the forend is classic, as seen in the Oberndorf Mauser S carbine.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: FrankFarmer]
#220564 - 30/11/12 12:20 AM

Beautiful, love the work, like the schnable actually. Do agree with Daryl about the rosette, not my cup of tea but I am sure the lucky owner will love it.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Photog]
#220565 - 30/11/12 12:24 AM

Quote:

Here is one that came close, too bad they don't make it anymore. This one happened to have around a 10LB trigger so I traded it for a custom long bow.

This Savage 219 is the same vintage as the one in caliber .22 Hornet I bought from a friend in 1958. I ended up having it rechambered in .219 Zipper and it accounted for its share of crows and groundhogs. I bought another .22 Hornet and had it rechambered to K Hornet, my first experience with an "improved" cartridge. At that point I was introduced to the world of falling block single shot rifles, and with my first Winchester High Wall my interest in break action single shots waned. I do have a sadly mutilated H&H rook rifle awaiting resurrection, but that's another story.

(Incidentally, the trigger on the Savage 219 was capable of a very nice pull, if worked over by a gunsmith who knew how to do it.)

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: DarylS]
#220566 - 30/11/12 12:35 AM

Quote:

I find the 'rosette' on the forend of that Ferlach rifle, an interesting use of horn, but I do not like it, however, it's interesting, none the less.

I feel it detracts from an otherwise excellent rifle's, 'work' and lines.

Sorry, but I find it quite ugly, along with that weird schnable 1/2 way down the forend - a really nice looking rifle would have been escalated to a MOST BEAUTIFUL Rifle, without those uhg, features - imho.

The "rosette" is a nod to the traditional which would be more in keeping with a horn grip cap, butt plate and a Bavarian cheekpiece. On this rifle, it reminds me of someone wearing cowboy boots with white tie and tails. It is otherwise a beautiful piece of workmanship and I have no objection to the secondary schnabel on the fore end, seeing that all three of my Oberndorf Model S carbines have the same feature.

I have a hard time imagining that rifle being taken along on a really arduous mountain hunt.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: xausa]
#220588 - 30/11/12 03:01 AM

About that Hahn Ischler Kipplaufstutzen by Borovnik, you must consider that it’s a “traditional” rifle and even if it could be disliked, the front schnabel made of a roe deer antler base is as old as that kind of rifle, its function being to hook the barrel to the loden backpack when aiming upward in an steeply slope.
The middle schnabel is of use to the same function, on the middle of the two parts forearm, and on that kipplauf it ends the removable forend that is finished with an slanted slim slab of black horn.
Relating to the stock, the cheekpiece shape know as “Bavarian” is German, not Austrian, and to my knowledge, with its egg shaped cheekpiece, the overall rendering of the stock is truly “Ischler” styled, all the fittings, grip cap and butt plate, being made in black horn.
Also, having worked on and shot it, it’s an extremely well balanced light rifle, and contrarily to what could think of someone’s, it will be used without special care to hunt in mountain…it has been made for hunt and it must be used for hunt, not for show!
When I look at a rifle I try to understand what in its origins conducts to its shape. Even if I’m not too fond of lever rifles I kindly recognize the value of a good pre-war Winchester, Marlin or Savage but I will never compare the later to a Schöenauer.
Now I owe to the true to admit that I prefer the clean lines of a pre-war English rifle…those who have seen the kind of rifles we make know that we are on the severely classic side… !

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: DORLEAC]
#220697 - 01/12/12 11:59 AM

That is a beautiful rifle, my friend! To be expected when it comes from your atelier, of course!

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: mehulkamdar]
#220763 - 02/12/12 11:41 AM

I have to agree that the antler burr on the muzzle end is not my cup of tea, even if it has a purpose. The overall rifle is magnificant though.
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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: aromakr]
#220890 - 04/12/12 01:12 PM

Luxus is a new company in Ohio building very accurate break action rifles with outstanding wood.
I used one last month on an Ibex in Kyrgyzstan and was quite pleased. Hope to take a caribou this month around our cabin at Circle Hot springs.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Viking338]
#220908 - 04/12/12 08:50 PM

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Beautiful, love the work, like the schnable actually. Do agree with Daryl about the rosette, not my cup of tea but I am sure the lucky owner will love it.

I am tempted to compare this new rifle with my Austrian rifle built in 1896:
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post177726

An "Ischler Stutzen" or anything made to imitate one simply has to have the horn rosette.....

About the "half-stock schnabel" I think this also is a citation or a memory from days gone by: this is where the first ramrod pipe used to be on a muzzleloader.
Or the lever you see on my rifle, for the latch fastening the forend to the barrel.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: fuhrmann]
#220919 - 05/12/12 02:36 AM

Good picture there Phil, and a good looking rifle too. Boy, your practical and commonsense writing is sorely missed these days in the publications! Too many writers are lacking in both departments.

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: 458Win]
#253432 - 11/09/14 06:18 AM

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Luxus is a new company in Ohio building very accurate break action rifles with outstanding wood.
I used one last month on an Ibex in Kyrgyzstan and was quite pleased. Hope to take a caribou this month around our cabin at Circle Hot springs.

Fantastic ibex! I enjoyed your article on that rifle which coincidentally is available on the preview for Rifle #273 (March 2014) here http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/pdf/ri273partial.pdf

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: JabaliHunter]
#253433 - 11/09/14 06:30 AM

Johan Fanzoj latest incarnation of the single shot - complete with integral rib and rib extension, kippblock mechanism, thumb cocking safety and underlever opening. Almost like a hybrid Rigby-Bissel rising bite and k95 tilting block! A real beauty...

http://www.fanzoj.com/en/gunroom/custom_..._rifle_new.html

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: JabaliHunter]
#253449 - 11/09/14 05:16 PM

Love the Dorleac but again I am no fan of the horn tip, lovely otherwise though, best, Mike

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Re: Break Action Singles [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#253454 - 11/09/14 11:43 PM

Here is another one, showing the sorry fate of so many German guns after WW2. It is a simple break-open underlever single shot of the “Tell type”, called so after such a model offered by Sauer & Sohn, Suhl. These simple rifles were a staple of the Zella – Mehlis guntrade, coming in many grades from many different makers. Mine was made in Zella – Mehlis and proofed there in 1926. It was signed and retailed by G.L. Rasch in Brunswick, the last of the Rasch gunmaking dynasty there until bombed out in 1944. (BTW, Heinrich Ludwig Rasch, Langer Hof, Brunswick about 1830 made rifle barrels to Captain Berner’s two-groove design for British army tests, hence the designation “Brunswick Rifle”). The full octagonal barrel is chambered for the 6.5x52R aka .25-35 Winchester cartridge. The action shows some border engraving and the G.L.Rasch, Braunschweig address. In 1945 it was smashed by some GI, stock and underlever broken and the muzzle heavily damaged. The next 40 years the parts spent in a dark corner of a barn, rusting and rotting away. In 1987 the sorry remains fell into my hands. I took pity with the poor junk and repaired it to working condition. Because of the hopeless muzzle the barrel was shortened to 55 cm = 22” and restraightened. I welded a new handle to the underlever and repaired the broken stock. As you see, I over-reinforced it, but I did not know better then. A small, 22 mm = 7/8” tube, 4x Wetzlar scope was mounted. Last I reblued and refinished it, but without trying to file out the rust pits. Weight now, with scope, is exactly 3 kg = 6.7 pounds. With it’s pet load, 87gr Hornady or Speer in front of 26gr VV N140, it shoots inside 5 cm = 2” at 100m all day, if I do my job. Shot a few roe deer and several foxes with it, but use it mostly for fun on targets.