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fuhrmann
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Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions...
#189588 - 10/09/11 05:21 PM

just found this in e-gun:

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3237808&PHPSESSID=5602ce5c960dda517c441f26722eb628

I think this is a nice English lady that has been raped.

Fuhrmann

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CHAPUISARMES
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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: fuhrmann]
#189589 - 10/09/11 05:54 PM

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'I think this is a nice English lady that has been raped.'

and pillaged as well but a re-stock would help, fancy doing that to a butt stock....

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#189591 - 10/09/11 06:19 PM

there's no accounting for taste

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: kamilaroi]
#189593 - 10/09/11 07:05 PM

Every time I see that pic I'm left pondering who owns the patent rights to the pop-up cheekpiece found on scoped Mannlicher-Schoenauers

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: Dr_Deer]
#189595 - 10/09/11 07:35 PM

I see nothing about that stock which couldn't be set right by a clever stockmaker with a wood rasp and draw knife.

What concerns me is the extra barrel set in .375 H&H (Flanged?). How was it made? Chopper lump, like the originals, or some other method?

Will it be possible to remove traces of that awful scope and mount? This is a classic outfit for shooting boar from a Hochsitz by moonlight, but useless for anything else.

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: xausa]
#189607 - 10/09/11 10:06 PM

Didn´t see the price but a full restock should see her right as well as getting rid of the scope mounts on the .470 barrels (JMHO), best, Mike

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#189608 - 10/09/11 10:08 PM

Sorry, guess the scope is on the .375 barrels so probably leave it there ?, best

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#189611 - 10/09/11 10:32 PM

who ever did the stock work

put him in a large rocket

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: lancaster]
#189614 - 10/09/11 11:18 PM

That is an awful stock.

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: Ben]
#189621 - 11/09/11 04:00 AM

Quite seriously I would love to know the story behind this one.

From start to The End.

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: 9.3x57]
#189629 - 11/09/11 08:48 AM

That is goddam awful but rectifiable (if such a word exists).

It's only a few hundred numbers from mine so 1906/07/08.

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: xausa]
#189630 - 11/09/11 08:51 AM

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What concerns me is the extra barrel set in .375 H&H (Flanged?). How was it made? Chopper lump, like the originals, or some other method?

Why the concern ?

Unless they were original with the gun (where putting the scope on could be called bastardising), the fact it has another set of barrels in 375 is good.

And being in Europe, someone who makes barrels would have done them and proofed them. It wouldn't worry me how they were made.

If it was done in the US, then I would have a problem with them.

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: 500Nitro]
#189633 - 11/09/11 10:15 AM

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If it was done in the US, then I would have a problem with them.

Is this a theoretical concern only? I am not aware of barrels made in the USA splitting. The only double rifle barrels that I have heard of splitting are H&H from pre-WW II.

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: 500grains]
#189634 - 11/09/11 10:42 AM

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If it was done in the US, then I would have a problem with them.

Is this a theoretical concern only? I am not aware of barrels made in the USA splitting. The only double rifle barrels that I have heard of splitting are H&H from pre-WW II.

Their have been others from other makers.

My concern with US is based on the way US Gunsmiths re chambered 375 guns to FL Magnum, espcially those Cogswell & Harrison's without any regard for strength etc.

I don't like putting my head next to things like that which haven't had any semblance of testing done on them.

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Edited by 500Nitro (11/09/11 12:33 PM)

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: 500Nitro]
#189654 - 11/09/11 12:30 PM

It's not just .375s. They ream out 38 Specials to .357 Mag, they ream out 12 ga. 2 3/4" to 3", etc.

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: 500Nitro]
#189668 - 11/09/11 01:57 PM

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...Unless they were original with the gun (where putting the scope on could be called bastardising), the fact it has another set of barrels in 375 is good.

Come on at least it is a set of Suhler claw mounts, if they'd teck screwed a set of weaver bases on the rib I'd declare it bastardised/bubberised

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: 500Nitro]
#189672 - 11/09/11 02:14 PM

It appears rectumfied but can be rectified..

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: Dr_Deer]
#189674 - 11/09/11 02:20 PM

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Come on at least it is a set of Suhler claw mounts, if they'd teck screwed a set of weaver bases on the rib I'd declare it bastardised/bubberised

True, and if the 375 aren't original, I wouldn't be too worried as they are good mounts.

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: 9.3x57]
#189708 - 11/09/11 06:49 PM

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Quite seriously I would love to know the story behind this one.

From start to The End.

I'll give it a try.
This is the description in Egun, translated:

"John Rigby sidelock double rifle
Ser.Nr. 17459
Kal. .470 NE with 2nd barrels in .375 H&H
with RISING BITE
in a leather case
double triggers
length of pull 37cm, barrel length 470 71cm, barrel length 375er 65cm
The exchange barrel in .375H&H was made for the previous owner by Waffen Krausser, Munich, and was proofed in 1971.
With Suhl claw mounts and a Schmidt & Bender 4x36 Abs.4
Escutcheon in the stock without any engraving
Gun comes from German high nobility.
The original stock was raised by 3,5cm."

So, once upon a time before WWI somebody with money, taste and knowledge has the rifle made.
...
Big gap, records from Rigby and information by the seller might yield some detail...
...
In 1971 the owner (either degenerate nobility or some newly-rich) discovers that there is no .470 ammunition to be found, and has the .375 barrels made. The scope is not for night use (not in fashion then in Germany), its actually a sensible allround option. I expect the new barrels, mounts and scope to be technically sound and useful. And because with the scope the original stock had too much drop and because so much money was already spent (my estimate is around 4000 german marks back in 1971), a cheap way to corerct this was used.
At least they did not throw away the original .470 barrels ........

By the way asking price is Euro 29500.

fuhrmann

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: fuhrmann]
#189715 - 11/09/11 08:01 PM

What do people think of the price ?

And how do you re stock it to shoot both lots of barrels ?

I can't quite the rod but t me it looks like an Extractor.

Would be nice if it was a Selective Ejector model (the one with the switch on the forend.

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: 500Nitro]
#190060 - 17/09/11 12:14 PM

Fix the comb on the stock, change the scope to a straight tube (1-4x Schmidt & Bender) to bring it closer to the rib. Add a strap-on buttstock leather cartridge holder to use with the 375 bbls (to raise the comb) and go to town. Check regulation before purchase. If it is on with both bbls, seems fairly reasonable, even for a project gun.

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Mike_Bailey
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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: CommandCar]
#190074 - 17/09/11 05:33 PM

29500 euros....that is 26k GBP give or take, I think that is a bit toppy, best, Mike

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#193865 - 16/11/11 10:44 AM

If the rifle was made as it is now, I would hope that the new owner keeps it as it was originally made. And this despite the fact that I agree with every view on how awful it is - just feel that old and rare guns need to be preserved as they were originally made. If, however, it was modified, then a second modification is well in order.

I wouldn't be surprised, though, if it came this way from the factory. All of the Brits did turn out unusual configurations on order - that was what the whole idea of "bespoke" was about.

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: mehulkamdar]
#193870 - 16/11/11 11:34 AM

Dead right re bespoke.

If you wanted it an paid for it, they would make it.

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Re: Rigby double rifle, rising bite, with germanic additions... [Re: 500Nitro]
#242237 - 12/02/14 01:06 AM

just for your info. the previous owner of this rifle
was fürst zu sayn-wittgenstein- berleburg (1917-2010)
he died in th age of 93. due to a war injury he changed
many of his rifles to a cripple stock. he even had, guns
his gunroom wih much more extem stockshapes.

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