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another M 88 sporter for the archive
      #188673 - 27/08/11 05:02 AM

a Suhl made M 88 sporter in 8x57 marked with "Paul Mossiers Breslau", octagonal barrel














http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3457990

found Paul Mossiers in the 1914 Teschner Collath dealer's list


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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #188749 - 28/08/11 07:34 PM

see it just now that Paul Mossiers in Breslau Junkernstr.20 is alles listed in Ellenbr scan
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=188742&Main=188502#Post188742



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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #189165 - 04/09/11 05:16 AM

there isn't a rifle more teutonic and less british then a fine M 88
sporter and you see that the guy at holts was not realy familar with this:

MUN. & WAFFENFABR SOMMERDA
A 7.9mm BOLT-MAGAZINE SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 37531,
24in. octagonal to round nitro barrel with ramp-mounted blade
fore-sight, rear-sight of one standing and one folding leaf, fitted with
a 6x42 telescopic sight in quickly-detachable mounts, set triggers,
retaining some original colour-hardening and finish, semi-pistolgrip
stock (cracked and pinned at head) with schnabel fore-end tip,
cheekpiece, ammunition trap, leather sling, 14 1/4in. pull
Estimate £300-500



http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...no=&image=0

this one is a M 88 , the caliber will be the 8x57 I and the ammunition trap is a clip trap. you can remove the ammunition only on the top of the magazin.
Munition und Waffenfabrik Sömmerda AG is a interesting detail. I dont know that this name was used before the dead of Franz von Dreyse in 1894. when Rheinmetall bought the former Dreyse factory in 1901 it was becoming Rheinmetall Sömmerda( you will find collector cartridges with the "RMS" headstamp). Heinrich Ehrhardt, the founder of Rheinmetall had learned the gun business once from Nikolaus von Dreyse, the inventor of the brecch loading rifle.
this M 88 looks like a Suhl made sporter but the Dreyse factory in Sömmerda is close enough to the Suhl area that I dont see a problem why they dont have made this also. style and quality of Dreyse sporting rifles is very close to other Suhl rifles and everything I have seen from Dreyse was allways of top quality.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #189182 - 04/09/11 08:11 AM

Very nice, Lancaster, you find some amazing and rare rifles!

Thanks for sharing pictures and good hunting!

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #193122 - 06/11/11 05:45 AM

very nice condition
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=193121&Main=193078#Post193121













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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #195286 - 29/11/11 06:23 PM

a H. Scherping Hofbüchsenmacher Hannover, Kal. 8x57I with englisch stock and horn pistol grib. two holes on the left side of the receive so there was probably a scope mount once. with a bullet hole on the sideand I wonder what happen.














http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3588376

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #195287 - 29/11/11 06:29 PM

Chr. Schilling Suhl Kal. 8x57I
engravings silver, peep sight













http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3589373

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #195343 - 30/11/11 09:41 AM

Quote:

a H. Scherping Hofbüchsenmacher Hannover, Kal. 8x57I with englisch stock and horn pistol grib. two holes on the left side of the receive so there was probably a scope mount once. with a bullet hole on the sideand I wonder what happen.



A bullet hole and a broken trigger? Looks as if it had an interesting history

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: Dr_Deer]
      #196204 - 09/12/11 03:41 PM

Eduard Kettner Köln Mod. 88 in 9x57 Mauser
scope is a Hensoldt Duralyt 6x on claw mount















http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3604368

very nice

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #196938 - 17/12/11 01:17 AM

Joh.Peter Longo Innsbruck Modell 88

8x57 I, old scope on claw mount

no doubt made for Peterlongo in Suhl - see the name on the left side of the receiver















http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3620956

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #197208 - 19/12/11 12:13 AM

plain basic model in 8x57I but full lenght octagonal barrel















http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3612334

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #198067 - 30/12/11 12:04 AM

Chr. Schilling, Suhl M 88 8x57I changed to 9x57 from Henneberger in 1997




http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=2453628

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #199383 - 14/01/12 03:16 AM

sporting rifle in 8x57I without a name but probably Schilling or Haenel made.
the bolt handle looks similar to the "Munition und Waffenfabrik Sömmerda" named rifle above.
"Böhlerstahl" barrel













http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3666090

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #199565 - 16/01/12 07:15 AM

Here is mine: 8x57I (.318"), half-octagon ribbed barrel, original scope mount. Unmarked as to maker. Came my way in a sorry, neglected shape. Stock partially split, toe of butt broken off, steel buttplate bent, original 2 1/2x scope a ruin, missing ocular bell and reticle. I glued, crossbolted, pinned and epoxy bedded the stock, straightened the buttplate, put an old 4x Hensoldt scope in the original rings and slightly refinished the stock.







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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #199815 - 18/01/12 04:11 AM

Quote:

see it just now that Paul Mossiers in Breslau Junkernstr.20



just found this, Mrs. Gabriel, Breslau , Holder of the firm Paul Mossiers, 1908, so the firm gets an face......


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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: chapmen]
      #199890 - 18/01/12 06:53 PM

intersting and unusual find

this was planned to collect so many M 88 as possible because if we compare the mass of all this different rifle we will find the similaritys.
till now we only see two names coming up again and again: V.C. Schilling and C.G.Haenel in Suhl
I ask myself if they were the only firms making hunting rifles and if any other name is only a retailer. Schilling and Haenel had have the complete machinery and were making carbine's for the military till the Karabiner 98 was coming in place. I was a little bit surpriced Haenel make M 88 military carbines as late as 1907 here in 7x57 for mexico




http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?243067-C-G-Haenel-1907-Kar-88-in-7mm

possible that this firms have sold actions to other gunmakers in the Suhl/Zella Mehlis. only the name Waffen- und Munitionsfabrik Sömmerda on one of the sporters above is another story. I dont know if they also making carbines for the german militay before, possible it is. the former Dreyse factory was capable of doing anything in the gun business.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #206134 - 28/03/12 11:25 PM

again Heinrich Scherping/Hanover

8x57 I full lenght octagonal barrel, double trigger, colour cases action, flip up peep sight
front sight is damaged






http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3789405

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #206136 - 28/03/12 11:47 PM

Would this be the same one from last year ?

Has the same hole in the stock !

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: Sarg]
      #206142 - 29/03/12 01:39 AM

of course yes, must have been sleeping
at least the second trigger is repaired

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #207438 - 21/04/12 12:30 AM

a M 88 sporter in 8x57I in the upcoming Widforss spring auction, full length octagonal barrel
stock is having a lot of drob like a german Schützen rifle. "Sven Hydén" on the rifle - must have been the swedish dealer.
http://widforss.chiaro.mrfriday.com/?p=vapenauktion&auktion=&auktion=62&visa=Kulgev%E4r




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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #210904 - 15/06/12 01:43 PM

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3891742

M88 in 8x57I with unusual 55,5cm long hexagonal barrel, double set trigger and claw mount(scope is lost)
modern recoil pad but very nice wood













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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #210905 - 15/06/12 01:53 PM

Ugh yet another rifle now added to list of stuff to have.... very nice rifles and info

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: texan72]
      #210908 - 15/06/12 03:01 PM

sure, you must love this! its the bolt action rifle that looks most like your beloved Remington Model 8

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #210946 - 16/06/12 04:38 AM

Yes indeed even the military 88 version has the barrel shroud like the model 8 makes you wonder
if John Browning had his hands on one of these, I always figured he got the 1895 winchester,and model 8 inline mag idea from a Mosin nagant but maybe it was a 88? Who knows.....never the less great looking rifles thanks for posting

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #211831 - 01/07/12 07:29 PM

a very plain basic rifle, probably in this case realy a sporterised military rifle but this was done in Suhl /Zella-Mehlis
the seller claim its in 8x57IS so rebored later from original 8x57I













http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3898128&PHPSESSID=1c48372950c373727e35fa1e0204049c

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