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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #236584 - 10/10/13 12:18 PM

8x57I with a Gerard B3x on claw mount, 55 cm long barrel and sold by "Jacob Sackreuter Frankfurt A/M"









http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4601184

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #237881 - 16/11/13 06:56 PM

8x57I with a octagonal barrel and stock for a lefty




http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4647651

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #245577 - 12/04/14 01:36 PM

for sale In Walter Borg´s auction Stockholm in 13.4.2014:
http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/index.html


Imman Meffert Suhl, modell 88, cal. 8x57




C.R Schilling, modell 88, cal. 8x57





C.R Schilling- Suhl, modell 88, cal. 8x57


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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #246765 - 01/05/14 05:28 AM

for sale by Bisgaard&Nielsen in Denmark

offered as a 8x57IS what would be very unusual when original, probably enlarge to the S caliber after WW 2












http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4900199

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #246967 - 05/05/14 03:55 AM

Yesterday I bought this Schilling M-88 Sporter for $450 (US) at a small local gunshow. It seemed a good price. The rifle is in good (used but not abused) condition and will only need a good cleaning and oiling. The bore is in good shootable condition. It has an integral front sight ramp and a rear sight with one standing and one folding leaf (still very tight). The bolt, barrel and action are all marked with matching serial numbers (28686) and the various small pieces are marked with the last two numbers of this serial number. Also, the barrel , bolt and action are marked with yet another serial number (5738). The barrel right in front of the action is marked "KRUPP STEEL". I don't understand why this is in English? Why not "STAHL"? Is this a rifle intended for the English market? In front of the rear sight it is marked "V (Y?) CHR. SCHILLING-SUHL-PRUSSIA". Is there away to date this rifle from the various stamped numbers under the stock? I don't know what any of the stamped numbers, etc. mean.

I have a collection of Mannlicher-Schoenaer and other fullstock rifles but I know very little about these 88 sporters.














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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: rpeck]
      #246975 - 05/05/14 06:16 AM

Rpeck, your rifle was certainly made for export either to the USA or Canada, as the Words “Steel” and “Prussia” are English. Before WW1 such M88 actioned hunting rifles were often exported to America, where they were commonly called “Haenel Mannlichers” after the best known Suhl maker. Known V.C.Schilling representatives in the USA were Pacific Arms Corporation, San Francisco and Schoverling, Daly & Gales, New York.


As the gauge number 172,28 shows, your rifle was proofed in Suhl before April 1912. 172.28 stands for a bore/land (NOT groove or bullet!) diameter between 7.62 – 7.87mm = .300 - .310”, correct for an 8mmI, .318” bullet, barrel. The CROWN-crown/N marks show it was proofed using the special smokeless “4000 atm proof powder”after the special 1893 proof rule. It was proofed for a service charge of 2.67 gramm GewehrBlättchenPulver/StahlmantelGeschoss = 41.2 gr (military)rifle flake powder and a steel jacketed bullet. The other marks under the barrel are factory internal marks. The SS may stand for a barrelmaker(maybe Stephan Schilling?) who supplied both Schilling and Haenel with the half-octagon ribbed sporter barrels to fit the M88 actions.


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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: kuduae]
      #246993 - 05/05/14 05:34 PM

nice rifle and you pay a common market price, not to much

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #247246 - 09/05/14 10:30 PM

igorrock see a M 88 for sale in Finnland










http://www.huuto.net/kohteet/hieno-vanha-metsastyskivaari-82-x-57js/312152622
8x57IS, changed for the common S claiber after WW 2 I would say to hold the gun still in action. 340 euro looks like a good deal!

what I never see before is the stock magazine not for single cartridges but for the mannlicher clip




if you looking for a sporter project here is a barreled action in 30 06(?) for sale
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4870005







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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #247300 - 11/05/14 01:48 AM

this is in auction in sweden
https://auctionet.com/sv/137733-139-kulg.../images#image_1



octagonal barrel in 8x57I

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #247319 - 11/05/14 12:15 PM

Anyone got a pic of the Haenel automatic rifle???

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: Ash]
      #247326 - 11/05/14 06:22 PM

must say I have seen pics of the Haenel automatic once but dont have it, maybe Kuduae can help here

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M-88 Lock Time [Re: lancaster]
      #249450 - 25/06/14 07:47 AM

I was out at a rifle range this morning with the Schilling M-88 Sporter. The "Lock Time", the delay between pulling the (set) trigger and the actual combustion, seemed excessive. I have never fired an M-88 before, so I have nothing to compare it to. Is this typical or is it possible that my slightly antique ammunition possibly at fault? On the other hand, it proved to be a reasonably accurate rifle and that is always good.

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Re: M-88 Lock Time [Re: rpeck]
      #249474 - 25/06/14 06:04 PM

As the Mannlicher and Mannlicher-Schoenauer bolts are essentially the same as the M88 one, they all share a slightly slower lock time, compared to a M98 Mauser. This is because a heavy cocking piece and the safety are hung on the firing pin. This markedly increases the mass that has to be accelerated by the mainspring. A double set Trigger always increases locktime too. This locktime increase is usually hardly noticable, so I suspect a weakened mainspring. Locktime may also be slowed down by old, hardened grease/oil inside the bolt or the trigger assembly. So first you should disassemble your rifle to clean and reoil all action parts.

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Re: M-88 Lock Time [Re: kuduae]
      #249499 - 25/06/14 10:20 PM

I just wanted to know if the lock time should be slow compared to a M-S. It is noticeably slower than any of my Mannlicher-Schoenauer rifles. The first thing I did when I bought this rifle was to completely disassemeble and clean it, but I could have missed a few things. I am not sure, but I may not have completely disassembled the bolt. I'll take it apart again and have a look. If its a weak mainspring...I have plenty of spare springs I can experiment with.

However, it was very satisfying to find out that it is an accurate rifle, particularly given the slow lock time. So it will be well worth taking the time to correct this minor fault.

Thank you for your advice.

Edited by rpeck (25/06/14 10:22 PM)


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Re: M-88 Lock Time [Re: rpeck]
      #249521 - 26/06/14 04:26 AM

did you look into the bolt there is not dirt or old grease?

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Re: M-88 Lock Time [Re: lancaster]
      #249697 - 29/06/14 10:12 PM

I cleaned it again...when dry firing it seems fine...It must be the ancient ammo ..What some call a "hang fire".

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Re: M-88 Lock Time [Re: rpeck]
      #251412 - 01/08/14 09:31 PM

interesting pics showing the M 88


frontline use of the M 88 in the great war




16.4.1938, three great bustards hunted in rumania



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Re: M-88 Lock Time [Re: lancaster]
      #252118 - 14/08/14 04:31 PM

a C.G.Haenel Suhl Germany in 8x57 probably made for export into the united states









Front sight with forward blade up.



And with rear blade up.


the rare floor plate trap door indicate a better gun



its not allways Krupp Laufstahl, here with an austrian Boehlerstahl barrel


















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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #255641 - 24/10/14 03:07 AM

I got a package today, finally, after several month of delay by the Norwegian postal service..... Anyway, this is a nice M88 sporter I got at an auction this summer. The caliber is supposed to be 8x57I, which I believe is correct. The octagonal barrel looks to be full length and there are double set triggers. The colour case hardening on the action and the bolt is just amazing. I'm not that into colour case hardening so I can’t tell if this is the original or not, but the rest of the rifle is in very good condition as well, so I don’t think the rifle have been used that much. As you can see in the first picture, the former owner shot seven moose with it. (Most likely moose anway). I haven’t removed the wood yet, so I don’t know what kind of markings I will find on the underside of the barrel, but I will get to that later. The serial number is 16755, and I find 55 on the bolt as well. The only place this full serial number is visual is at the steel butt plate. So far I have no idea when or where this is produced or by who. Since there are no markings on either barrel or action that indicate who might have produced it I believe it will be hard to tell for sure. Perhaps I will find something interesting when I remove the wood, but I doubt it. Anyway, I am very happy with this new addition to the collection.

















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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: Kammerherren]
      #255643 - 24/10/14 04:15 AM

to me everything on this fine rifle looks original
suspect its in 8x57I? you better made a chamber cast and slug the barrel. your rifle was made in Suhl between 1900 and 1914 maybe by Haenel or Schilling.
did you load 8x57I ammo? I have used the 8x57IS RCBS die set just resize the case without the deccaping rod which hold the neck sizer. this give the case an undersized neck and hold the .318 bullet very fine in the end.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #255647 - 24/10/14 07:05 AM

Lancaster, I hope you are right regarding the colour case.

I do load for a lot of different guns, but I also collect guns, that means I don't shoot with everything I have. This M88 is not a shooter to me, it's a collectable. I'm 100% sure it would be a good shooter, but I don't bother buying anoter die set just for fun. I already have to many die sets lying around that I rearly use.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: Kammerherren]
      #257332 - 29/11/14 04:59 AM

C.G.Haenel in 8x57 J SN 4162 sold in Sweden
http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/#/



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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #257392 - 01/12/14 05:42 AM

8x57I without name but octogonal barrel, SN 23134
sold in sweden last spring http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/#/



8x57I again without a name but also octogonal barrel
sold in sweden last year http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/#/


C.G.Haenel in 8x57, SN 6680


http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/#/

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: rpeck]
      #260311 - 11/02/15 10:53 PM

a Schilling 8x57, seller say its 8x57IS so maybe rebored for S caliber
Ajack scope on claw mount http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5311000
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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #262562 - 21/03/15 12:50 AM

8x57I sold once by Brennecke /Leipzig SN 25080
http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/w...;currentpos=153
Kahles 4S2 on claw mount


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Edited by lancaster (21/03/15 12:51 AM)


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