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Magpie Geese - tell me about it!
      #187423 - 06/08/11 04:51 AM

I'm keen to get onto the magpie geese this year. Probably sometime in September.

Can any of our Top End members tell me something about hunting them?

I know an open season licence for waterfowl is required. Had one in a past year.

Is September a viable month for geese and ducks? I assume there would not be many further South away from the coast.

Assuming the season is declared and open in September in 2011?

What sort of success can one expect on the various public waterfowl reserves? Believe it was Harrisons Dam I visited with Bakes a few years ago. We didn't get anything there.

Do you guys decoy at all?

What about retrieving downed birds? With Salties probably around I assume this is difficult?

I assume it is only steel shot - no. 2's or BB's - or Bismuth shot - what shot size is advisable?

Any info you can provide. Thanks.

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: NitroX]
      #187424 - 06/08/11 04:51 AM

PS What's the fishing like in September? On rivers and estuaries for Barra? What other species?

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: NitroX]
      #187436 - 06/08/11 08:09 AM

Here's a link to information about last year's season:

http://www.nt.gov.au/nreta/wildlife/permits/pdf/waterfowlfact.pdf

I have never hunted them. We see a few during the wet season down here in Katherine, but by then the season on them has closed. I suppose a Katherine fellow could get a permit and keep it just in case he saw one on a swamp (a fluke for the swamps I have access to), but I usually have a rifle, which happens to be not allowed for use on them. I see that steel shot is required.

As for the fishing, I am not much of a fisherman, so don't know too much about it. Although I've heard that the run-off at the end of the wet season is the best time for barramundi, I do know that people fish all-year-round, and do get a few. Some of my students and their families have pulled-in some good ones even in the last month-or-so, even though it is the cold season.

I hope you've got time to visit here, too, John!

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: Ben]
      #187437 - 06/08/11 08:10 AM

On class camp this week, the students caught yabbies, sleepy cod and black bream, just on a little creek.

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: Ben]
      #187452 - 06/08/11 03:53 PM

"I am not much of a fisherman"

Me neither. Don't really know much about fishing. But do enjoy a bit of it in the North.

I visited the NT and Northern WA in 1983 in May and the barramundi fishing was easy. Probably not as easy at other times of the year.

Interesting that magpie geese don't get as far South as the Katherine area.

I've seen them in untold thousands, where I couldn't shoot them, or when I could, none or just a few. Got a couple of shots off twice on some geese at Harrisons Dam a few years ago on the two flights only which came over.

Mostly it has been wrong or no season or wrong place at the right time.

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: NitroX]
      #187456 - 06/08/11 05:44 PM

John i'm not as mad keen as some but do get out after geese a bit, the time of year depends on how much water is still around in other areas, last season there was apparently still heaps of water on the plains out kakadu way and the birds stayed out there longer, and didn't realy show up in numbers until nearly the end of the season, the mango crop draws them in too.
Harrison dam, Lambells lagoon and shoal bay reserve are the only public areas and are pretty good anyway with lots of people filling thier bag limits.
Its either an early morning or just on dark affair as this is when they are either leaving or returning to the swamp, evenings can be hectic but you run out of light real quick so the window is short, I prefer mornings as you can get the early flights but if you hang around you will still get some stragglers and ducks comming through, just gives you some more time.
As for retriving them you try to sit back far enough so they drop on land, if you have a dog you can send him in, you see blokes trudging around in the water but I would rather stay out of any water more than calf deep.
Its all steel shot only and in BB or No1.
Blokes do use decoys but as I said I'm not that mad keen.
As for the fishing, barra generally slow down a bit during the cooler months and start to get a bit more active as the build up starts warming up but as Ben said you can catch them all year just not as easlily, theres plenty of other good species in the salt(most as good or better eating than barra)and tides are more important than the time of the year or day, If you go on a charter they know where to be on what tides and generally do pretty well.

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: Gaff]
      #187459 - 06/08/11 06:22 PM

End of Sep the barra start to come back on the chew as the buildup should/may begin, if this occurs the big billabongs will fire with generally smaller fish but you never know.

Sep is prime mack season up here live baits all the way slowly trolled I reckon is the best method.

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: Cinghiale]
      #188232 - 21/08/11 01:28 AM

Thanks for the comments. Anyone else?

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: NitroX]
      #188241 - 21/08/11 09:39 AM

Just to be correct ...It is not that they dont get as far south as Katherine, as they are certainly further south but more that there isnt enough suitable waterways there for them. for example there is a large swamp down on the roper river that has thousands of them.. and they occur as far south as central NSW, from what I have seen.

I dont really know much about the public land hunting around Darwin. Marrakai and Co are the guys who get right into it...


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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #188243 - 21/08/11 10:58 AM


Magpie Geese used to be resident in South Australia years ago.

John
The season has been put back 1 month as I was told yesterday
which isn't pleasing many people.

Their is a lot of water around this year which will spread them out a bit.

Later in the year is easier.

You might try dry land shooting (as in Mango farms) as one option.

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #188248 - 21/08/11 12:18 PM

They were a seasonal sporadic species in NSW in the 50s'. I have seen 3 pairs in Centennial Park 4km from Sydney CBD in the late 80s.

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: Gaff]
      #188253 - 21/08/11 12:29 PM

Quote:

Its all steel shot only and in BB or No1.
...cheers Gaff




Looking at the link Ben posted and other nreta pages including http://www.nt.gov.au/nreta/wildlife/permits/nontoxicshot.html I get the impression that the NT is more permissive in regards to hevishot and tungsten/zinc matrix shot than Victoria?

Is there a schedule or table in the regs outlining precisely what "non toxic" varieties can be used (as there is in the Victorian regs) or is it open slather but really all academic because so few importers are game to bring in the "oddballs"?


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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: Dr_Deer]
      #188255 - 21/08/11 12:43 PM


I thought all the non toxic shots were able to be used in Vic ?


"kamilaroi

They turn up all over the place as odd balls. Werribee for one many years ago whne bird catching but it is a natural magnet for all odds and sods in terms of bird life.


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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #188260 - 21/08/11 02:58 PM

Quote:


I thought all the non toxic shots were able to be used in Vic ?






Nope, just what is outlined in Schedule 7 of the current regulations (excuse formatting)

Quote:


Sch. 7
S.R. No. 90/2001
Wildlife (Game) Regulations 2001

SHOT WHICH IS NOT TOXIC SHOT
Shot commonly known by the description set out in Column 1 and
constituted as described in the corresponding part of Column 2

Column 1 Column 2
Steel (a) At least 98 per cent by weight iron; and
(b) Not more than 1 per cent each by weight
of any other element.

Bismuth (a) At least 96 per cent by weight bismuth;
and
(b) Not more than 4 per cent by weight tin;
and
(c) Not more than 1 per cent by weight of
any other element.

Tungsten—Matrix (a) At least 86 per cent by weight tungsten;
and
(b) Not more than 5 per cent by weight
nickel; and
(c) Not more than 3 per cent by weight
iron; and
(d) Not more than 3 per cent by weight
ethylene methacrylic acid copolymer;
and
(e) Not more than 1 per cent by weight of
any other element or compound.

Tungsten—Iron (a) At least 45 per cent by weight iron; and
(b) Not more than 55 per cent by weight
tungsten; and
(c) Not more than 1 per cent by weight of
any other element.

Tungsten—Polymer (a) At least 93 per cent by weight tungsten;
and
(b) Not more than 7 per cent by weight
Nylon 6 or Nylon 11; and
(c) Not more than 1 per cent by weight of
any other element or compound.

Tin (a) At least 98 per cent by weight tin; and
(b) Not more than 1 per cent by weight of
any other element.




From memory the Hevi-shot pellets fall foul of the "at least 93% tungsten" rule at risk of hijacking the thread the above quoted regs are due for review this year but I've not seen if F&G's submission includes a recommendation to rewrite schedule 7.


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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: Dr_Deer]
      #188301 - 22/08/11 05:49 PM

I'm sure I have seen Magpie geese once in SA, but can not remember where or when it was.

There are some culls of Cape Barren Geese in SA (under permit), but have never been invited to one. Yet!

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: NitroX]
      #189813 - 12/09/11 10:39 PM

I'll be there on opening day 23 Sep. Love the increase in bag limit...

Than break out the new .375 onto buff, pig, donkey & brumbie...

John, if you are up there on the 21st, come to the Goose Fever Expo 7:00pm.

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      #189855 - 13/09/11 02:34 PM

Will still be working then unfortunately. Not catching up this year quick enough.

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: NitroX]
      #365224 - 04/05/22 10:33 PM

Eleven years ago! And still no magpie goose!

Maybe an ambition for 2022. A trip later in the year? When does the season start?

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      #365225 - 04/05/22 10:47 PM

22 September 2021to10 January 2022 was the last season.

September is hot. October hotter.

I might just be there sometime in September this year.

One-day a December WET season trip is called for.

The latest I have been there was in 2007, in November. My name was on the Senate Shooters Party ticket and we hunted force week in sticky hot weather. Those days the shooters party spent nothing on non NSW electioneering Federally.

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: NitroX]
      #365228 - 05/05/22 01:44 AM

Had to Google "Magpie Geese" - should have known they'd be black and white.LOL
Our magpies are black and white with long tail & bluish wing feathers & they aren't geese or crows for that matter.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Pica_pica_-_Compans_Caffarelli_-_2012-03-16.jpg

Edit: removed the image code. Image way too large.

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: DarylS]
      #365257 - 05/05/22 06:14 PM

Magpie goose

The magpie goose is protected in the Northern Territory (NT).

You need a permit to hunt magpie geese.

The magpie goose is a large waterbird that grows up to 90cm.

The adult has black and white feathers, a long neck and a cranial knob that is smaller on females.

They have orange legs with partly webbed feet and a red beak with a white hook on the end.

Younger birds have the same markings, but don't have the knob on their head. Their feathers are grey to brown.

The magpie goose is well known for their nasal 'honk' call.

Magpie geese fly large distances, especially in the wet season.

They are generally found close to wetlands and rivers.

Their diet is mainly plants, though young geese will also eat invertebrates.

Magpie geese usually breed late in the wet season.

There are more females than male geese, so males often have two females to breed with.

If there are two females, they will both lay eggs in the same nest and incubation is shared by all parents.

Major potential threats to magpie geese include:

habitat removal
wetland degradation
climate change leading to saltwater intrusion in freshwater wetlands and rivers
erosion and degradation caused by introduced animals such as:
pigs
cattle
swamp buffalo
increase of wetland weeds such as mimosa pigra
hunting if it is not managed sustainably.

Geese are also threatened by lead shot poisoning.

Lead shotgun pellets build up heavy metal in the water and in animals that live in those waters. Magpie geese use the pellets to grind their food.

If you're hunting, you should use non-toxic shotgun pellets.

You also need a permit to hunt magpie geese.

Magpie geese can be a pest to crops as they can eat seeds, fruits and young plants.

They can also damage plants by trampling them.

To help conserve the magpie goose in the NT, the NT Government is aiming to:

keep healthy populations of the magpie goose
promote long-term protection of the wetland habitats
use magpie geese sustainably
review and update management of magpie geese.

To find a copy of the management program and annual aerial surveys for magpie goose, go to the Department and Environment, Parks and Water Security website.

https://nt.gov.au/environment/animals/wildlife-in-nt/magpie-goose

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: NitroX]
      #365258 - 05/05/22 06:19 PM



Magpie Goose
Anseranas semipalmata
Anseranatidae

Magpie Geese are widespread in northern Australia, where they may congregate in huge flocks, often comprising thousands of birds. They breed in large colonies late in the wet season, with the biggest recorded at Daly River in the Northern Territory — it covered 46 km2. The species was once also widespread in southern Australia, but disappeared from there largely due to the drainage of the wetlands where the birds once bred. There have been attempts to reintroduce Magpie Geese back into southern regions, but with varied degrees of success.

Magpie Goose
Anseranas semipalmata
Anseranatidae

Magpie Geese are widespread in northern Australia, where they may congregate in huge flocks, often comprising thousands of birds. They breed in large colonies late in the wet season, with the biggest recorded at Daly River in the Northern Territory — it covered 46 km2. The species was once also widespread in southern Australia, but disappeared from there largely due to the drainage of the wetlands where the birds once bred. There have been attempts to reintroduce Magpie Geese back into southern regions, but with varied degrees of success.
Identification
Description

The Magpie Goose has a black neck and head, with a characteristic knob on the crown (larger in males), which increases in size with age. The underparts are white, with contrasting black edges on the underwing. The bill, legs and feet are orange. The Magpie Goose differs from most waterfowl in having strongly clawed toes that are webbed only on their basal halves (i.e. only partly webbed). Females are slightly smaller than males.
Location
Distribution

The Magpie Goose is widespread throughout coastal northern and eastern Australia. It can be seen from Fitzroy River, Western Australia, through northern Australia to Rockhampton, Queensland, and has been extending its range into coastal New South Wales to the Clarence River and further south.
Behaviour
Feeding

Large, noisy flocks of up to a few thousand birds congregate to feed on aquatic vegetation. The Magpie Goose is a specialized feeder with wild rice, Oryza, Paspalum, Panicum and spike-rush, Eleocharis, forming the bulk of its diet.
Breeding

During the breeding season, Magpie Geese build nests in secluded places, usually close to wetlands. The nest is almost single-handedly constructed by the male. It usually consists of a simple unlined cup placed either in a floating platform of trampled reeds or built in tree-tops. Pairs of geese mate for life, but a male may have two females. Two females may occasionally use the same nest to lay the large, oval, off-white coloured eggs. All adults share incubation and care for the young.
Conservation Status
Federal

Secure
NSW

Vulnerable

NT

Secure

QLD

Secure

SA

Endangered

TAS

Not present

VIC

Endangered

WA

Secure

https://birdlife.org.au/bird-profile/magpie-goose

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Re: Magpie Geese - tell me about it! [Re: NitroX]
      #365278 - 06/05/22 10:05 AM

I live the magpie goose season, but I do prefer farm shoots to public land.
On public land you can only shoot a limit, it was 7 last time I was up there but dropped sown to 3 the following year, but on farms you can shoot a, hundred in a morning.
I've gone through a case if 3" BB's in a morning shoot on Mellon farms, and dropped around 180 birds, that really fills, the freezer up.
But public land is fun because of the challenges, the birds are higher and more wary of anything out of place.
I found the best method at Harrison dam was to sit in the trees as they flew lower, once they hit the clearing they go much higher.
I will have to dig up some old photos.
The birds are very water dependent, I hunted shoal Bay a lot, the trick there I found was to figure out where they roost and shoot them there of an afternoon when they would break from the trees when spooked.
On farms 2 3/4" 2's work great, but on the public land 36gm 3" BB's are the go.
You can sit right against the tree line and gear them coming then drop them before the climb, I never had much success with decoys, intercepting the flight path from cover seems to work the best.
In shoal Bay the river shoots better then the 3 main swamps, but you can bag out on the main swamp.

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